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[Nezzer]

I'd throw an asteroid on Edmonton.

[NormanRawn]

2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Never spend any more money on Mass Effect, games or DLC.

*from Bioware 

This... first DA2 and now this... i wonder how DA3 will be.

Ya, I think there gonna lose a lot of opening day sales, when people aren't ready to buy until they know how it ends

[Chuvvy]

Nezzer wrote...

I'd throw an asteroid on Edmonton.

Oh wow, a Batarian threatening to ram an asteroid into somthing, you don't see that ever.

[Salyut]

I'll headcanon the ending and won't buy any ME3 DLC. I also won't be pre-ordering BioWare games in the future as I have done in the past. I no longer trust them on their word and will therefore buy their games on a wait-and-see basis.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Hold off on Bioware products until they do. At least, that's my plan.

[Nezzer]

But seriously, I'd never preorder another game again except for The Witcher franchise or any future titles of CD Projekt Red. If CD Projekt somehow becomes just another greedy company with dozens of paid DLC and cut content, I'd lose all the hope I've got for the gaming history and I'd probably become a proud pirate.

[MaraGriffyn]

I'll headcanon the heck out of the ME3 ending (already thinking along these lines, whether they fix the ending somehow or not), and I will not be spending money on DLC/merchandise/etc for the ME franchise in the future.

As for other, non-ME BioWare titles, I'll probably revert to buying used if they get good enough reviews from people I trust. Buying used ensures they won't get profit from the purchase.

[Giltspur]

I didn't like the ending.  That said, I liked the rest of the game. I like Bioware's characters--so I imagine I'll continue to buy their games.

Now, if Bioware dumps the focus on story and becomes solely focused on combat gameplay and multiplayer, then I'd stop buying their games.  An ending I don't like though?  It happens and is not too big a deal to me (even though I'd obviously prefer ME3 to have an ending that I liked.)

Modifié par Giltspur, 17 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Vedexent]

Not going to read the thread but I'll give you my answer.

I will most likely shelve my ME games rather than play though the 6 saved games from ME1 & ME2.

I will not buy DLC for ME3.

I'm very unlikely to buy any futue ME games, media, movies, breakfast cereals, etc.

I'm very unlikely to buy any further Bioware games - maybe if they've been out for a good long time, and have good FAN (not bought and paid for gaming media - one positive aspect of the controversy is that it has allowed us to see many game press outlets for what they really are), in which case I'm likely to pick them up used.

NONE of this is to "punish" Bioware.

It is simply that I will no longer have any faith that the "Bioware brand" is willing to provide what it promises when I buy a product, since ME3 managed to violate both implied promises though the structure on the previous two games, and explicit promises in the interviews of Bioware staff about the game leading up to the launch.

[LordHelfort]

Slidell505 wrote...

Nezzer wrote...

I'd throw an asteroid on Edmonton.

Oh wow, a Batarian threatening to ram an asteroid into somthing, you don't see that ever.

Xenocist!


In all due seriousness and addressing the main issue of the thread, I will no longer purchase Bioware games but continue to play them as they come out (you can geuss how).

I won't be taken advantage of in such a fashion again, especially given the lackluster Bioware response and its attempts to head off or PR down this movement.

[Nezzer]

Slidell505 wrote...

Nezzer wrote...

I'd throw an asteroid on Edmonton.

Oh wow, a Batarian threatening to ram an asteroid into somthing, you don't see that ever.

You humans are all racist!

[iamzer0xx]

LordHelfort wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Nezzer wrote...

I'd throw an asteroid on Edmonton.

Oh wow, a Batarian threatening to ram an asteroid into somthing, you don't see that ever.

Xenocist!


In all due seriousness and addressing the main issue of the thread, I will no longer purchase Bioware games but continue to play them as they come out (you can geuss how).

I won't be taken advantage of in such a fashion again, especially given the lackluster Bioware response and its attempts to head off or PR down this movement.

Get a grip, are you listening to yourself right now? You're trashing the game and the franchise and opnely (LOL) admitting that you're going to continue playing their games by stealing?

You my fiend have just crossed a milestone in hypocrisy. Your sense of entitlement is staggering and arrogant. 

[Aerevane]

I'll wait for the reviews and forum response.

Modifié par Aerevane, 17 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Luc0s wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

and my emotional reaction to any disappointment I might have faced if was not how I wanted was kept in check because I know the value and reality of how one should view a game as simply a form of entertainment and the telling of a story by a developer. The freedom within that framework is a bonus and not a requirement and they do not owe you it.

Whether you consider it smug or not, I consider it realistic and a far more healthy approach.

Think what you like, but I know for a fact that it isn't true.


I agree that "freedom" in a video-game only goes so far. i actually know this for a fact, since I'm a game-design student myself.

But even if you limit the ammount of possible choices and possible endings, you can still at least try to do a decent job at it. BioWare didn't. All endings were the same except for the color of the explosions. We didn't even get to see what effect our choice in the end had on the galaxy, other than the fact that Joker looks like a Deus Ex character in the green synthesis ending.

It's not the amount of choices that pisses us off. It's the fact that all 3 choices seem to be pretty much the same and the worst thing is: The Mass Effect universe as we know it pretty much gets destroyed in each ending.


Have you ever played the first Witcher game? That game also only gave us 3 paths. In The Witcher you could choose between the Neutral (Witcher) path, the Rebel (Scoi'atel) path or the Loyalist (Order) path. These 3 paths resulted in only 3 different endings. But each ending was vastly different, the consequences of our choices were explained in full detail. The Witcher gave us real closure. Mass Effect 3 didn't.


If you want to see the 3 endings of The Witcher and see for yourself how much better they are, look here:

Witcher ending 1
Witcher ending 2
Witcher ending 3

^
That is how a game with multiple endings should be handled. Not the ******-poor job BioWare did for ME3.

Yes I have played them both first and second, second being one of my favorite games of past year alongside ME3, Skyrim and DE:HR now. I am active on their forums too (CDPR) and my 360 version thread is one of most viewed threads on in the general section. I also happen to like DE:HR and is also in my list for best of past year titles. There is nothing wrong with using a DE format ending, the exposition argument is subjective and infinite in how much exposition each person sets as their own personal requirement for enjoyment too.

None of this changes the fact all games have a framework which allows a story to be told but the story is always theirs (developers) to tell within that framework of choices they allow and some allow for no choices while other offer more (that is a creators prerogative and not something they owe you or me). It also does not change that it is far more healthy to view games as they are meant to be, a form of entertainment not an oxygen supply or requirement for eternal happiness and there will always be elements in almost all games one likes or dislikes. Take it as it is and gain what enjoyment you can but keep it realistic in that no game will fulfill your every desire.

The ending to TW2 was not perfect or amazing to myself either but the choices affecting the impact during the game was, just as is the case for the period during 95% of ME3 was the case. TW2 did also not tie up all loose ends and exposition given was not perfect but overall the game was epic despite this as is (imho) ME3. Skyrim another great game again where the ending tied up almost nothing as the game continues as though it had no impact but this does not destroy the quality of the game itself overall. I will also state that all games including ME1 and ME2 left elements to the imagination and as a way to tell stories this has always been the case even though it appears some do not acknowledge the fact they had to use their imagination in previous titles because they are controlled by emotions right now, even most of the debating going on here since the dawn of ME has been reliant on imagination of what x, y or z means or could of been.

With regard to the endings impact of each choice, I did not play as an all seeing god like overlord who had all the answers and knew all the outcomes prior to making choices but instead I role played through the eyes of my Shepard, regardless of each outcome they were seen as specific to the end of that characters story. That character did not know what would of happened if picked a or b if he actually picked c. Each to him was individual and the impact unique through his eyes.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[Kajan451]

Aligalipe wrote...

Well most of us agree that the Ending to Mass Effect 3 is one of the worst video game endings ever. I saw some threads about "Will you forgive Bioware, if they fixed the ending?" What will you really do, if they don't fix the endings?.

Wouldn't say worst video game ending, in almost 20 years of video games i've seen a lot worse endings, but that doesn't make this ending any better.


What will i do? Well i was disappointed with ME2 already, storywise, so if i would have to mark a turning point for myself it was ME2 or Dragon Age Awakening, i am not sure.

They've been keeping promising, for both series, about how choices shape the game, and except for the first installments they didn't keep those promises, in my opinion. Sometimes we would get some more choices, but it never shaped the game. If you want a 'recent' example how thats done take a look at Alpha Protocol, where choices can lead to you not meeting people, meeting them later, being enemies or allies, and missions change depending on the choices you made. Like for example if you pick a different Tactical Advisor it suddenly becomes a different mission, with different goals to accomplish. That was shaping the game.

Having some NPCs saying hello to me, or not, or getting an email and a codex entry of negligable value, is certainly not shaping the experiance.

With Dragon Age 2, they went overboard. Disregarding player choices just to have cameos? Thousands of Thiefs in a single city? Those thieves alone could have stopped the Qunari. I surely killed a couple thousand of them. Not to mention them being 'summoned' into the area. Jumping down out of thin air and such. Reused dungeons and all that...

I was very weary of how they would present ME3... to say at least. ME2 was a rushjob already, but it had good story telling (even if the stories had nothing really to do with the main plot, but i really thought we suffer through this so they have the final actors ready with a rich and deep history so we'd care about them in ME3 already and wouldn't need to 'get reaquintanced')... Dragon Age 2, was even more so a Rushjob. Reusing levels? Over and over again? Most Indi Lables put in more effort than Bioware did in Dragon Age 2.

Then i got ME3.. and midway through the game i was hopeful. It was back on track, i though Dragon Age 2 would have been just a slip.... and yeah i didn't really expect my choices to shape the game, to be honest. They haven't kept that promise in any of their games so far since Baldurs Gate. But i was expecting my choices to matter more than getting a few points to my Rating, which becomes completely obsolete by the ability to promote MP chars to ingame Warassets.

And then i got to the end. And i am suddenly watching Matrix 3.  Every single one of my decisions was pointless. It didn't matter.. and i got the same story the Architect told Neo, with a slight twist. I was the first Neo to arrive the architect, hurray.

And then i was forced to choose. I couldn't even tell him "F you... i won't play your game" and call in a couple techs.. or use my own tech skills to rewrite some of that AI code. I am sure that army of Geth fighting on my side gladly could have helped me there. But no.. i was forced to choose death. And quite franky.. i know this was going to happen, i didn't want it to be true, but i had that suspicion as soon as they told me the cruible was missing a part. I know shepard would kill himself to activate the doomsday weapon. But honest i expected it to be something the Illusive man had done when they resurrected him. The very thing that brought him back from death would now make him the only person in the galaxy to do it... something like that. Thats what i expected already.

Well i got some script from Matrix 3. Then, when i finally decided to force it to come to and end... i get some final sequence, which didn't make sense. A jungle planet in Sol System, where do we have such a jungle in our solar system? The Normandy trying to escape, well what exactly? And not to mention the inevitable destruction of all Mass Effect gates, which made me realize right away that everyone was going to be stranded on earth. And quite frankly... i didn't feel like a savior... i felt cheated. I worked my butt off to save the universe and in the end.. its doomed anyway.

And then i had to suffer through that Grandfather and his Grandchild.... thats when i got pissed.


So to get back to the question at hand... what will i do now? Honestly, i expect them to fix this and i expect them to fix it for free. If a company like Code Project can release Extended Editions, because they care about their work and their fanbase, then i expect nothing less from Bioware. As far as i see it, they wanted to turn Mass Effect into one big experiance and they ruined it. After i remained loyal to them, paid for every game, bought DLCs and all that, just so i would not miss out on the experiance they promised... after all that, i expect them to be so fair and do something for their fans and set this right.

If they want to do it as paid DLC, fine. I will buy that too, but it will be the last thing i buy that has the name Bioware on it. If they don't fix the end.... well quite frankly, then they lost a customer anyway.

I am tired of the lies and unfinished games. Bioware was a great storytelling company delivering great games and i loved them up to and including Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 1. Bioware was one firm on a very short list of firms i used to buy just because of its name. It was a bioware game, i was sure to be entertained. No questions asked, preordered without checking anything about it. But its time for me to admit defeat and simply accept that Bioware is no longer the Developer Firm that has brought me some amazing games like Baldurs Gate and Baldurs Gate 2. I simply have to accept that and move on.

Its sad, but i have had enough disappointments with the Name Bioware on it, to remain loyal. ME3 was the breakingpoint for me after Dragon Age 2 and ME2. For the first part i really thought Dragon Age 2 was the fluke.. now i have to realize the times have changed and Bioware is no longer the Company it used to be. I am just not sure if thats their own doing or the influance of the Evil Alliance.

Modifié par Kajan451, 17 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[mizark3]

Assuming no fix? I would never buy another Mass Effect anything because the universe is dead. Also I would never bring myself to buy another Bioware game unless I could get it for at most 1/3 the release day price, and same for all DLC attached to the game.

Assuming fix is 6 months or more? Mass Effect series is intact. Bioware games only bought at 2/3 release day price same for DLC.

Assuming fix under 6 months? Bioware has hurt itself but is still somewhat trustworthy. All future Bioware titles looked at with wary joy.

Assuming the fix needs to be paid for? EA has far too much control over Bioware. Take each result as the one above it.

Modifié par mizark3, 17 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[Jorina Leto]

SilencedScream wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Never spend any more money on Mass Effect, games or DLC.

*from Bioware 

This, though it reflects on EA as a whole, not just Bioware.

This.

[razgriz127]

Failure is not an option. We fight until we win.

[McBaal]

I will stop buying anything from Bioware. And i will make sure others wont too. Until Bioware goes down just like the ME franchise they killed with this ending crap.

[Penguinlover]

For me, I won't be doing anything. Whilst the ending was incredibly disappointing, the game and series was still the best I ever played, I won't be able to bring myself to play it again as it stands. If I boycotted every company I ever bought a game from and was disappointed with I wouldn't be able to play anything.

[SuperVulcan]

I'd be sad for a day or so then move on.

[Darth_Trethon]

It will be fixed....you must believe and keep faith....just hold the line, everything will be just fine.