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[Kitteh303]

Exolyps wrote...

Perhaps I'm just grasping after grasstraws. But maybe he ignored writing about the ending because it'd spoil things for the ones that haven't finished it yet? They want the play to stay indoctrinated a bit longer.

But it's probably only wishful thinking...

EDIT: Nevermind, misunderstood what you said. 

Modifié par Kitteh303, 17 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[Getorex]

Exolyps wrote...

Perhaps I'm just grasping after grasstraws. But maybe he ignored writing about the ending because it'd spoil things for the ones that haven't finished it yet? They want the play to stay indoctrinated a bit longer.

But it's probably only wishful thinking...

Heh.  MORE people experiencing the horrible ending...that would improve the situation right there.  

[sagefic]

Carcharoth42 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Okay... Um. Okay.

^ That's my response to this statement.

Because IF there is more content coming, it really needs to be AFTER the StarChild ending. Really. Anything before that is moot given the ending - INCLUDING THE PREVIOUS THREE GAMES.

Seriously, not to beat this to death, but that ending isn't really an end. It's either a horrible, screeching halt to the best series ever to get killed by plot shrapnel, or it's the point where Shepard gets up out of the ashes and knuckles down to business.

Sadly, until I know we're going to get something related to the latter, I'm just sitting in this awful 'wait and see' place. I'd really like to get out of this place. It sucks.

If they don't replace that part entirely... or at least alter it enough that you have more options. I kept expecting Shep to tell Glow Boy that we already fixed the problem it keeps talking about. OT: Thanks for the adept videos you made in ME2. They were useful.

I've convinced myself it's indoctrination. I have yet to convince myself I'm ever going to see it pan out in actual DLC.

OT: You're welcome. If the ending gets fixed, I may even get enough gumption to do a guide for #ME3. So far, combat is harder and more interesting. Kinda hard to want to play to the ending, though. 

[Kitteh303]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Craigonator wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Dolphin FFetus wrote...

Kitteh303 wrote...

I'm kind of astonished at peoples' reactions to his statement. It's a press release thing, of course it's going to be vague.

I'll be damned if we aren't the most ungrateful, belligerent fanbase on the planet.

The most ungrateful fanbase that eagerly dropped extra money for day 1 dlc, collector's editions, merchandise and other stuff. I don't really get how you can call the consumer ungrateful when the creator takes a big dump in their hands at the end while you pay for it.

I can. You demand satisfaction immediately, you want what you beleive you deserve without any lies or bull**** to weave through, and any response that doesn't explicitly say what you want, you consider a betrayal and a lie.

I'm sorry, but thats f*cking entitlement right there. It's like people standing next to a welfare office complaining that the line is long because they can't get their food stamps. And you wonder why a lot of people are calling you childish...

Look, he makes a PR statement regarding the endings and you want blood for it. why the f*ck should I respect this movement that is going on when its as militant as a Malcolm X rally?

Dude Chill out.  You are not making this any better by engaging in the potential start of a flame war.    People are still very upset over the ending and you have to understand that.  Just let it go and eventually everyone will start pushing what they really want instead of venting in the anger stage.  I know I was very militant over this a few days ago after my shock wore off.  Now I am happy to support the movement with a cooler head. 

No.

Why should I chill out when a bunch of people are out for nothing but to cause a stir? 

And this is why I think you are all feeling entitled to specail treatment. It's not even an issue of what is right or legal or good or bad anymore. It's an issue of tact, and it sickens me that this is going on still.

So no, I don't accept that. You tell your movement to shape up, or the bad press will just continue. Thats how this works because stuff like that makes you look bad. The berating, the twitter bombing, the feeble attempts at boycotting. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of people start heckling EA and BioWare at PAX now, just to be d*cks "for the cause."

hold your line elsewhere, or at the very least organize it correctly. 

I just feel like we're only hurting our cause by acting like we are. We should ASK, not DEMAND. 

[kyles3]

What was uplifting and inspiring about it, Mr. Hudson? Ya'll blew the damn galaxy apart.

[Elen]

Considering all Bioware replies so far have been dancing around the raised issues and lacking in substance, I have very difficult time believing that they are 'listening'.

[stbaler]

Look we all want... well the vast majority of us want closure. Do something to give us it. Other then the ending I really have no other complaints. Allow our respected Shepards to have an ending that they really deserve and not one where we have lost when we should have one. As some others have said we need a ending that makes sense.

[Craigonator]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Craigonator wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Dolphin FFetus wrote...

Kitteh303 wrote...

I'm kind of astonished at peoples' reactions to his statement. It's a press release thing, of course it's going to be vague.

I'll be damned if we aren't the most ungrateful, belligerent fanbase on the planet.

The most ungrateful fanbase that eagerly dropped extra money for day 1 dlc, collector's editions, merchandise and other stuff. I don't really get how you can call the consumer ungrateful when the creator takes a big dump in their hands at the end while you pay for it.

I can. You demand satisfaction immediately, you want what you beleive you deserve without any lies or bull**** to weave through, and any response that doesn't explicitly say what you want, you consider a betrayal and a lie.

I'm sorry, but thats f*cking entitlement right there. It's like people standing next to a welfare office complaining that the line is long because they can't get their food stamps. And you wonder why a lot of people are calling you childish...

Look, he makes a PR statement regarding the endings and you want blood for it. why the f*ck should I respect this movement that is going on when its as militant as a Malcolm X rally?

Dude Chill out.  You are not making this any better by engaging in the potential start of a flame war.    People are still very upset over the ending and you have to understand that.  Just let it go and eventually everyone will start pushing what they really want instead of venting in the anger stage.  I know I was very militant over this a few days ago after my shock wore off.  Now I am happy to support the movement with a cooler head. 

No.

Why should I chill out when a bunch of people are out for nothing but to cause a stir? 

And this is why I think you are all feeling entitled to specail treatment. It's not even an issue of what is right or legal or good or bad anymore. It's an issue of tact, and it sickens me that this is going on still.

So no, I don't accept that. You tell your movement to shape up, or the bad press will just continue. Thats how this works because stuff like that makes you look bad. The berating, the twitter bombing, the feeble attempts at boycotting. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of people start heckling EA and BioWare at PAX now, just to be d*cks "for the cause."

hold your line elsewhere, or at the very least organize it correctly. I have seen too many movements that have more merit than this one fail for less reasons than above. If this behavior keeps up the movement is over before it begins. 

If you know how to run this better then How about you organize it?    People are venting their rage at the moment.  when things start cooling off things will get done.  Now Chill.

[NinjaRogue]

I'm playing Mass Effect 1and right now....the ending hasn't ruined it for me o.O

[RShara]

LinksOcarina: Most people just want a straight answer as to whether their concerns will ACTUALLY be addressed, not just a lot of sidetalk. Is that really that horrible a thing?

[Nathander Von Eric]

So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a
series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in
scenes that show you the consequences of your actions.


Did this actually happen in the game? I mean before the ending/s?

Since I don't have a 3 under my avatar it's obvious that I didn't buy or  play the game so I'm asking those who have actually played it......was there a series of  endinsg to key plots and story lines?

[Iconoclaste]

Game creators will NEVER see their "final" product in the same light their most "devoted" players will. They know where all the "event switches" are, they debated extensively over this "unpredictable" line of events triggered in a cutscene, or that specific angle of camera after viewing over a gut-wrenching scene for the zillionth time. The emotional response of the customers cannot be compared to their's, and they must have debated over and over about a proper "ending" to the series. Indeed, they left the "debate" part open, since destroying close to all advanced civilisations in a galaxy to save it from a threat to freedom of future societies is no small thing... The scope of the philosophical impact of such an ending, discussed among all the people who invested themselves in this project, also cannot be compared with the "polarised" perception of the fanbase that the story, as it has been unfolded, should have ended in a more "mundane" fashion.

I just wish the "StarKid" would have been smarter, and take a few millenia to think of another, more "viable" solution...

[Craigonator]

Elen wrote...

Considering all Bioware replies so far have been dancing around the raised issues and lacking in substance, I have very difficult time believing that they are 'listening'.

Don't worry with the backlash like this they are at least considering options.  This was just a released press statement.  They are usually always vauge and open to interperetation.  I agree with you that I do have some concern as to if they care about us or not.  

[Arinell]

When I got to Earth and began speaking with my crew, going over our past triumphs, reliving everything we had been through... I had a realization. Something hit me like I had never felt in a game before. I actually had a moment where I had to choke back genuine sadness as I truly realized... "I'm going to die! I won't make it through this." That was a first for me in a game. I actually felt so connected to my character and crew at that point... at that one point when it hit me... and I was genuinely sad.

Once the fight began, that sadness was quickly replaced with determination and focus. I fought like I had never fought before. I used every trick I had learned over the past 5 years, doing whatever I had to to stay alive. And I did. I killed countless Reapers, swarm after swarm, reviving my companions over and over, fending off mobs of attacks from every direction. But I survived! I made it through the entire fight on Earth my first run through without dying once. I was empowered!

When I got to the end scene I was exhausted, my hands hurt, my eyes were killing me and I was truly worn out. I sat there reading through the dialog and drinking in the whole story. I made my Paragon/Renegade choices when they seemed appropriate. And when I was finally confronted with the last scene, I listened. I soaked up every word that was said. I tried to visualize what the character was saying and see it from all sides. And then I sat there... for nearly 20 minutes I sat there looking at the 3 paths ahead of me. I actually felt, after everything I had been through, after realizing that I wasn't making it out of this one alive... this was going to be the biggest, hardest decision I have ever or would ever have to make in Shepard's career. So I thought about it for a very long time.

Finally I made my choice, burying the sorrow that was once again rising inside of me... pushing past the regrets of what I wasn't able to accomplish... accepting that I wasn't going to be returning to my LI to be by their side... and I moved forward.

I watched as the cutscene played out... waiting... wondering... yearning for the closure to my journey. And then it happened. In a matter of a few seconds... the cutscene ended, the screen faded to black, and the credits began to roll. And in that instant every emotion that had been building in my since returning to Earth shattered... replaced by anger, frustration and emptiness.

What did I do wrong?! This couldn't be the end. This isn't how it was suppose to happen. Stories just don't end this way. How could everything I did come to this?

I was lost.

I quickly reloaded the "Restart Mission" point, worked my way back to the final decision... and sat there for atleast another 10 minutes... contemplating everything I had heard. Then I made my choice... a different choice this time.

... the screen faded to black, and the credits began to roll. No! Not again! How is this possible?

Restart... listen carefully... weigh my options... choose a different path.

... the screen faded to black, and the credits began to roll. I hung my head in disgust. It was hopeless. Everything I had accomplished... all the difficult choices I had made over the years... all for naught.

I can't go back to it now. I have no ambition to play again. I have no more desire what so ever to subject myself, physically or emotionally, to this story only to be let down so horribly in the end.

I have one choice left... one that I thought would be the hardest of all which now seems the easiest and most appropriate... to put down my controller and walk away from it entirely.

[Julie the bogan]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a
series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in
scenes that show you the consequences of your actions.


Did this actually happen in the game? I mean before the ending/s?

Since I don't have a 3 under my avatar it's obvious that I didn't buy or  play the game so I'm asking those who have actually played it......was there a series of  endinsg to key plots and story lines?

Simple answer, yep

[LinksOcarina]

RShara wrote...

LinksOcarina: Most people just want a straight answer as to whether their concerns will ACTUALLY be addressed, not just a lot of sidetalk. Is that really that horrible a thing?

No, it's not.

But how you go about is. There is a difference.

Look, chances are he can't say anything because if he promises something, then he looks bad down the line. There is also legal raminifications for this too that can prevent things from being said. PR works this way for a reason, and right now that is what you are getting, reassurance. 

The straight answer is not going to come yet.  This is something people need to realize.

And no, I will not organize anything because I disagree with this movement. I respect it, hell its good to see people trying to do something, but honestly this is going way too far in many ways, and because of my own status I cannot support it.  But please stop telling me to chill man, I have been as rational as I could but it's starting to get on my nerves.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 17 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[USS Cushing]

I'll wait for a new ending



Hold the line!

[SimonM72]

I would like to thank Jessica Merizan for her tweets that are standing out as honest and a beacon of clarity in all this vague cryptic PR now.

Casey, with respect there is a point where all this stops being anticipation and starts being genuinely annoying.
I'd please ask both yourself and Bioware in general to consider its stance on keeping the fanbase on tenderhooks still, alluding to hope with cryptic messages and then dashing them with PR statements that essentially amount to nothing we didn't know already.
If the Indocrination theory was not a part of the future storyline, then please put serious thought and investigation into making it so because it solves so much of the plot holes problems and inconsistances that the current endling is riddled with.

The Mass Effect we have been playing is not a film, it is not a book, it is an interactive roleplaying videogame and as such we have been very much invested in shaping our stories for five plus years now, and you have given us freedom to shape our own story and its consequences down the years.
Taking that control away at the 11th hour for an art piece ending to try to secure its legacy is a selfish artistic decision.  Instead why not give us the tools to secure Mass Effects legacy for you as you have previously trusted.

Freedom of choice with consequences worked for Mass Effect 1 & 2 and we have rewarded you with the success the franchise has enjoyed.   To try and shape my stories yourself at the last 15 mins is like giving me a tasty pie, letting me eat all of it but the very last spoonful, and then you barging me out the way, eating my last spoonful and telling me; "Wasn't that the best pie you have ever tasted?" - I know Casey, I would of rated it the best pie I'd ever tasted if I were allowed to bloody well finish it myself and you hadn't taken the final enjoyment from me!.
Why you did you spoil my pie Casey?, did you not trust me to rate it memorable?, because I would of!, If only I were allowed to finish my pie, my Shepard's personal story.

The players want closure and I appreciate that you have recognised such.  The mind boggles if Indocrination theory is not planned for DLC because I have no idea how you are going to manage it otherwise.
I would ask that you recognise that satisfaction for each of our Commander Shepards is only going to come through making the ending reflect our choices and by our own personal culmination of our stories.  Literally nothing else will do.

The current ending pays no attention to our five years of choices and absolutely wrecks the replayability of not only ME3, but of the whole Mass Effect trilogy.  I'm sure this was not your intention.
Whether its the Indocrination theory realised or an end re-write, please get your writing team together and sort it out if you are so concerned with legacy.

The time for vague alluding to this and that and the encouraging us to play more through tweets and facebook is rapidly running out and its becoming tiresome. We are beginning to feel less collaborated with and teased playfully about a coherant plot going forwards, and more just downright played.

If you value the jewel in the crown that is the Mass Effect™ IP and its future for Bioware you'll appreciate that the fans need this closure to complete the trilogy and make it replayable in the RPG sense.
Please give us those wide ranging and multiple endings that draw from our five years of player choices and that you actually promised back in the game's development.

Thankyou.

Modifié par SimonM72, 17 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[OverdrivenI]

LinksOcarina wrote...
Look, chances are he can't say anything because if he promises something, then he looks bad down the line.

Because he/they didn't already do that...A LOT <_<

And no...there aren't legal ramifications if they do. It just reflects badly on them. This is just damage control atm.

Modifié par OverdrivenI, 17 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[Lux]

The conclusion failed to deliver in the most spectacular way to a great deal of people.

Fix this.

[catofnine]

Bioware,

I was going to wait until the early Apr announcement, but I am returning my unopened x360 copy tomorrow. I have zero interest in paying full retail for any of your games from now on. I'll buy a used copy at a later date after considering how you handle ME3 with dlc.

BG-DA2...It's been a good run, thank you.

[gandalffladnag]

So, what I got out of that was, critics liked it, but you (the fanbase) don't.
ACTUAL SERIOUS QUESTIONS------> Did you just imply that the 'conclusions' to the choices we made over the entire series were in fact NOT a part of the end, that as each character either kicked the bucket or said goodbye, that was where it all came together, all choices and decisions? And that the end was just either death or almost death, with the Normandy making a crash landing as a way of saying 'this is it, it's done, the end'?
Please, don't try to be all jedi-master-mind-trick with the answer, just put it plainly.

[Zalbik]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a
series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in
scenes that show you the consequences of your actions.


Did this actually happen in the game? I mean before the ending/s?

Since I don't have a 3 under my avatar it's obvious that I didn't buy or  play the game so I'm asking those who have actually played it......was there a series of  endinsg to key plots and story lines?

If there was I missed it

[RShara]

LinksOcarina wrote...

RShara wrote...

LinksOcarina: Most people just want a straight answer as to whether their concerns will ACTUALLY be addressed, not just a lot of sidetalk. Is that really that horrible a thing?

No, it's not.

But how you go about is. There is a difference.

Look, chances are he can't say anything because if he promises something, then he looks bad down the line. There is also legal raminifications for this too that can prevent things from being said. PR works this way for a reason, and right now that is what you are getting, reassurance. 

The straight answer is not going to come yet.  This is something people need to realize.

Okay, that makes more sense, and wasn't what I got from your original post.  But I can't really blame anyone for a kneejerk reaction like this.  I'm feeling it myself.  But I think I've moved into apathy here.

Problem is, Casey's already made promises that weren't fulfilled, so now that he's being vague about those fulfillments, it's making a lot of people mad.