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[Oldbones2]

Ok, so that was bull****.

Listen, we are well past the point of vague promises and well chosen words.

You can shut down this whole problem with ONE SENTENCE.

We are/aren't making a new ending DLC.



You wanna know what we want. New ending DLC. Most of us will even pay for it. It's sad. But it's true. Just sell it to us.

[phrizek]

This doesn't restore my confidence in Bioware at all.

[slyborg]

Sorry, but this statement could have just been lorem ipsum and told us more. This says absolutely nothing, and is frankly kind of insulting. We already knew more DLC was coming by the crass data pad graphic at the end. We already know the team worked hard on the game. The game is fantastic, the ending is a nightmare that has driven many fans to abandon the entire franchise. You aren't going to win them back with asinine statements like this.

[MarquisDan]

EA and Bioware won't be getting another dime from me if this keeps up. We need an ending that resolves the story.

[Marwood09]

"This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard" is pretty much all I cared to hear. I have enough confidence in Bioware to be patient and see if they follow through. If not, oh well, I'll have more money than I would have if the case had been otherwise.

[Moshaaver]

I have always loved everything Bioware has done, I have spent hundreds of dollars on Bioware Products and really enjoyed your story telling. I only recently ended up getting onto BSN actively and only after getting completely upset by the ending of Mass Effect 3, I was hoping to recover or salvage some hope.

I'm really saddened and almost outraged to see the doublespeak that's being used. I understand the need to be very careful when dealing with customers but in this case it seems a bit ridiculous. We aren't stupid, I think the fans of Bioware are pretty loyal and good people, and as loyal customers I think we deserve a straight up ending.

If you want to keep your endings, then please... please please please give a straight forward answer. I want to know why and what made you end your series the way you did, not to ridicule but to understand, maybe if you fully explained it, we could find some peace and even appreciate it on the same level you wanted us to.

However if you are planning some sort of dlc how can you go on witnessing the fan-based reviews of your game and dozens of people saying they are done being Bioware fans and just ignore it? You could at least same something like 'We'll we are planning ahead, have faith' or something, just throw us a bone.

It was said in the letter 'This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard' but honestly, and I say this reluctantly, if this is just going to be pre-ending material (like adding more missions to get more war assets) or adding more weapons and skins to multi-player then I'm not sure I'll remain a loyal customer of Bioware's products, especially after the doublespeak responses and blatant negligence of your fanbase.

Now you probably won't end up even seeing this, considering that so many people post at once, and I understand that you've released things saying 'we are listening' but if you do see it I hope you take it into consideration.

Edit: let me go further and say that I do have high hopes that something will be resolved, I'm a huge fan of the various theories about the ending going around, and as stated I think Bioware is a great company

Modifié par Moshaaver, 17 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Lesser videogame developers have taken the "Obscure, meaningless slapped together ending cuz we're lazy/uncreative/pressed for time/other....but we'll try to talk it up," route before. In fact more and more developers are falling into this habit. It's disappointing and is one of the reasons that I buy so few videogames new anymore. A game should be good from start to finish and if it has a huge player investment, the ending should reflect that. I never expected Bioware to stoop to that level, especially since they've set the bar so high and achieved pure gold so many times.

The sacrifices that occur in the game is not the issue, not even the final sacrifice. The issue is that the developers ignored their own lore. Play the first two games again Casey Hudson (or for a first time), and encourage the writers to do the same. Remember the story you're telling and what you established. No part of the one ending you get in this game (there is one ending--don't try to spin it otherwise) promotes any kind of victory or hope in light of the bittersweet sacrifices that were made if you take into account the story premises you've established in the previous games. Sure, the single ending disguised as three might be fine to folks who've only played ME3, or to folks who played 'em all for the shooting and sex scenes, but to folks who have played them all? It's an atrocity.

Seriously Fonzarelli, you've jumped the shark.

[Ramus]

So in other words... We got good ratings from fat cats, so screw you guys and buy more dlc. Amazing how he managed to extend that into more than one sentence. I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? You can expect no profits from me or thousands of other fans after they see this garbage stone walling reply that answered NOTHING.

[PiEman]

Read a paragraph or two, and right now I'm cleaning the vomit out of my keyboard.

I spent 80 MS points this morning on a ME1 DLC that I thought I already had, and I just wanted to finish it. That is the last bit of currency Bioware will ever see from me. We were supposed to be able to choose our endings, but they got ****ing lazy at the last minute and decided to give us a bittersweet one ONLY, regardless of if we made all the right decisions.

They might as well have hired R. Kelly to come to my house and ****** on my face afterwards, just because they don't feel ignoring us was enough.

**** you Bioware.

[PiEman]

Ramus wrote...

So in other words... We got good ratings from fat cats, so screw you guys and buy more dlc. Amazing how he managed to extend that into more than one sentence. I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? You can expect no profits from me or thousands of other fans after they see this garbage stone walling reply that answered NOTHING.

Pretty much, yeah.

Ramus wrote... 
 I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? 

On top of a pile of our money and probably some dead puppies.

[Waage25]

FlamingNinja007 wrote...

So wait, let me get this straight. The players want a fairy tale ending to a rather dark game where even if you are full paragon you've basically killed people. While BioWare is busy trying to explain everything in gameplay about you guys also explain who created the universe we are playing, when it was created roughly, and how it was created. Cmon guys. This isn't your life. This isn't a game to live by. Be happy. I happened to find a sensability in the ending. Life isn't happy. Especially one of a Commander trying to save the whole world.

NO we want a ending that is not STUPID!. Having a bitter sweet and even somewhat sad ending is okay in my book, but not when the ending it self is so badly done that it makes every other game in the series WORSE because of it then you can be dam shore that i am angry.
Think of it this way.
You are playing this murder mystery and you find clues and collect evidence until after a lot of work there is only 3 options people who could have done it, but in the end it is shown that it is non of them. It is actually a 4th person that came out of nowhere and killed the victim. He was never talked about, seen or even heard about in any way.

THAT's what this is.

Every choice i made did not mater.
Every path i took did not mater.
Every one i helped or killed have no influence on things.
Nothing i did in this game had any resolution other then it changed the color of a explosion. WOOPDIE FREAKING DOO!.

[Bantz]

Moshaaver wrote...

I have always loved everything Bioware has done, I have spent hundreds of dollars on Bioware Products and really enjoyed your story telling. I only recently ended up getting onto BSN actively and only after getting completely upset by the ending of Mass Effect 3, I was hoping to recover or salvage some hope.

I'm really saddened and almost outraged to see the doublespeak that's being used. I understand the need to be very careful when dealing with customers but in this case it seems a bit ridiculous. We aren't stupid, I think the fans of Bioware are pretty loyal and good people, and as loyal customers I think we deserve a straight up ending.

If you want to keep your endings, then please... please please please give a straight forward answer. I want to know why and what made you end your series the way you did, not to ridicule but to understand, maybe if you fully explained it, we could find some peace and even appreciate it on the same level you wanted us to.

However if you are planning some sort of dlc how can you go on witnessing the fan-based reviews of your game and dozens of people saying they are done being Bioware fans and just ignore it? You could at least same something like 'We'll we are planning ahead, have faith' or something, just throw us a bone.

this is what i'm feeling as well. If you aren't going to do anything about the endings, just say so, so we can all move on. 

[QCRulzz]

 I would feel robbed if Bioware made me pay for a real ending hidden behind a so called DLC I'd have to pay. My 2 cents.

Also, not gonna buy any DLC. I paid for the collector's edition and don't want to spend an other 50$ on ''additionnal content''. Ea's DLCs always has been crap. If you would NOT be affiliated with them, I'd happily purchase them. Until then, not happening. EA is known to dumb down content and max the money income. ME is a great cash cow and I fear I'll get robbed if I purchase DLCs.

[addiction21]

PiEman wrote...

Ramus wrote...

So in other words... We got good ratings from fat cats, so screw you guys and buy more dlc. Amazing how he managed to extend that into more than one sentence. I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? You can expect no profits from me or thousands of other fans after they see this garbage stone walling reply that answered NOTHING.

Pretty much, yeah.

Ramus wrote... 
 I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? 

On top of a pile of our money and probably some dead puppies.

Are you all talking about those "thousands of fans" that would never buy another BioWare game because they sold out to Microsoft to make Mass Effect a Xbox exclusive?

Hell this is the same hollow threat people have been throwing at BioWare since KoToR and how they got in bed with Lucas Arts to make a console game.

[Jjynn]

This is a link to a thread in the Spoilers section (fair warning!) regarding some thoughts on Mr. Hudson's remarks.

http://social.biowar...10084349-1.html

Reading Mr. Hudson's remarks, I find them very much like those of a politician cornered by some scandal. Its sounds as though he's looking for breathing room or a distraction to get the heat off how bad the ending has been received . For those of us who believe in the ME story, I shout with everyone else - HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par Jjynn, 17 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[PiEman]

addiction21 wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Ramus wrote...

So in other words... We got good ratings from fat cats, so screw you guys and buy more dlc. Amazing how he managed to extend that into more than one sentence. I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? You can expect no profits from me or thousands of other fans after they see this garbage stone walling reply that answered NOTHING.

Pretty much, yeah.

Ramus wrote... 
 I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? 

On top of a pile of our money and probably some dead puppies.

Are you all talking about those "thousands of fans" that would never buy another BioWare game because they sold out to Microsoft to make Mass Effect a Xbox exclusive?

Hell this is the same hollow threat people have been throwing at BioWare since KoToR and how they got in bed with Lucas Arts to make a console game.

Well, I wasn't a fan yet then. I never should've signed on in the first place, apparently.

[Shutterbug5269]

I get the very strong feeling that  Mr, Hudson, simply DOESN'T GET IT.

The time for empty platitudes is long since over, we are past the point of wanting to hear it. We heard it after Dragon Age 2 and we gave him the benefit of the doubt then. The time for discussion is now long since over. Over the last week I think we the fans of this series Bioware's PAYING CUSTOMERS have made what we want abundantly clear.

We want an ending that makes sense with the rest of the story. One that was driven by the choices WE MADE over the last two games. One that ties up the loose ends and provides closure to a series we have all enjoyed spending hundreds of hours over the last FIVE YEARS playing. Not this meaningless, senseless, empty NON ENDING that you thought we would simply meekly accept.

We will accept nothing less than the real ending that this series deserves. You have a very narrow window to provide this ending before we give up, turn our backs and take our business (and our money) elsewhere. Now stop talking Mr. Hudson, and get to it before you use up what little good will we have left.

DISCUSSION OVER.

Modifié par Shutterbug5269, 17 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Blc949]

As other’s have said here before, a sad/bitter ending would be ok. Red Dead Redemption had one of the biggest bummers for and ending I’d seen in a long time, but it didn’t leave me feeling hollow. I was sad, but it felt right. This on the other hand, this would be like having a close family member disappear and you never know what happened. A death would be sad but its closed, this isn’t and unless there is some grand scheme to add some dlc (the indoctrination theories put out give me some hope) to add to the ending, this was a colossal waste to me.

I got into the game late, picking up me1 and me2 on me2’s release, but the series gripped me hard. I’m an old (29) and jaded long time gamer, I can remember hardcore gaming before I knew how to read. This was a series me and my best friend joked about people putting off suicide since they didn’t know the end of this story. That’s how good we thought it was. I’ve noticed myself stopping and thinking while doing high risk things that “don’t hurt yourself too bad man, you gotta be here to see the end of this story”.

All the attachment to the story, the characters, the lore, the choices I made all went down the drain in the 10 minutes at the end. All 3 endings are basically the same, do not take into account any choices any of us made through out the series and what really sucks to me is with all the relays gone I don’t see where the series can go now. I loved this universe, it was so big and incredible. Now it is small.

Tl:dr, too much emotional investment for such a lackluster ending with no closure.

Ps I’ve never posted on a gaming forum ever, this ending bothered me so much I went out of my way to find a way to get my input out somehow.

Pps If someone can direct me to some kind of official petition about the ending, that'd be nice.  I originally mocked the fact I was hearing about an uproar but didn't read about it to avoid spoilers.  Now it all makes sense and I've come 180 on that one.

Modifié par Blc949, 17 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Some quotes from another awesome Sci-Fi (that unfortunately got screwed over by the TV version of EA) that I find fitting:

Book: He's not wildly interested in ingratiating himself with anyone, yet he's very protective of his crew. It's odd.

Wash: Ah! Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

And I think Mal captures the spirit of ME3's ending quite well with this quote: "Da-shiong bao-jah-shr duh la doo-tze!"

Hehee

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Marwood09 wrote...

"This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard" is pretty much all I cared to hear. I have enough confidence in Bioware to be patient and see if they follow through. If not, oh well, I'll have more money than I would have if the case had been otherwise.

You do that... in the meantime... I'll call BS.  (the non-swear version)

[GeneralArrow]

addiction21 wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Ramus wrote...

So in other words... We got good ratings from fat cats, so screw you guys and buy more dlc. Amazing how he managed to extend that into more than one sentence. I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? You can expect no profits from me or thousands of other fans after they see this garbage stone walling reply that answered NOTHING.

Pretty much, yeah.

Ramus wrote... 
 I wonder Hudson. How do you sleep at night? 

On top of a pile of our money and probably some dead puppies.

Are you all talking about those "thousands of fans" that would never buy another BioWare game because they sold out to Microsoft to make Mass Effect a Xbox exclusive?

Hell this is the same hollow threat people have been throwing at BioWare since KoToR and how they got in bed with Lucas Arts to make a console game.

Huh? You obviously haven't heard of PC lolololo

[devilsoldier45]

i'm just tiered of all the evasion just tell us if your going to fix your mistake or not that's all we want.

[Aa2]

if Bioware wants people to stop hating on them then announce some DLC that can change/fix the ending this should calm everyone down (and if they forget about this then they will lose alot of fans) doesn't matter what the reviewers say there not paying for the product. the fans are THE most important thing in a games sucsess. to sum it up :if the fans dont like it then the company loses money. (PS this is NOT targeted to anyone just my opinion)

[ejldude]

I can't believe this is the same company that gave me Baldur's Gate 2, KotOR and Mass Effect 2. They could not betray their fans like this. The ending is broken, you say it is bittersweet, but there is nothing sweet about it. All the choices you make throughout the series, in the end, come to nothing. Nothing you do matters. Maybe that is what they wanted the ending to achieve, and if that is the case, congratulations. Mission accomplished. However, that is not the game you promised us, and that is not the ending we deserve. We deserve closure.

[PiEman]

ejldude wrote...

I can't believe this is the same company that gave me Baldur's Gate 2, KotOR and Mass Effect 2. They could not betray their fans like this. The ending is broken, you say it is bittersweet, but there is nothing sweet about it. All the choices you make throughout the series, in the end, come to nothing. Nothing you do matters. Maybe that is what they wanted the ending to achieve, and if that is the case, congratulations. Mission accomplished. However, that is not the game you promised us, and that is not the ending we deserve. We deserve closure.

So in a way, it bookends.

The beginning had a character named Nihlus, the trilogy ends in nihlism...