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[gekkemarvin]

''But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid.''

So your saying a really small group of fans dont like the ending? and its not a really big issue?
I think the forums is good enough how to get a idea of how ''some''  of your fans think about the ending.
And I bet 95% of your fan base doesnt like your ending or it didnt make any sense whit so much plot holes in it.

I really hope you will get your stuff together Bioware!

[Aesieru]

This is just insulting.

I'm returning the game now.

That message completely ignored the issue, was as vague as hell, and was downright insulting when you actually look at what's being said.

And to then talk about content later in the year? Sorry but no, this is a priority that needs to be fixed because the game is in an incomplete state where assets do not matter and I waste a large amount of hours doing something that has no effect. This is ridiculous, insulting, and inappropriate.

This thing should be mass-recalled.

[GhostBear47]

 Having just beaten the game this morning, and then seeing all of the "good" endings. I wanted to give my thoughts to Bioware. Do you remember the ending you made for Dragon Age Origins? Now that was a good ending, the final conversations, the epilogue to every major decision you made. Not this, this game was your most epic series to date and you just end it, no epilogue, no final thoughts, its over people, go home, thank you for your money and playing. What the heck? I invested a lot of my life and my time in a series. I was proud to say that the Mass Effect series was the best gaming series to date, but it was all for nothing, no closure, instead I feel wounded that I was just thrown to the wind. 

[Loup Blanc]

Aesieru wrote...

This is just insulting.

I'm returning the game now.

That message completely ignored the issue, was as vague as hell, and was downright insulting when you actually look at what's being said.

And to then talk about content later in the year? Sorry but no, this is a priority that needs to be fixed because the game is in an incomplete state where assets do not matter and I waste a large amount of hours doing something that has no effect. This is ridiculous, insulting, and inappropriate.

This thing should be mass-recalled.

What did you expect? Bioware is an arrogant bunch. They will never acknowledge they dropped the ball. Never.

Mr Hudson's speech is just smoke. That's all it is. And that's all it will ever be. Be smart people. Vote with your wallet.

[Verlidiane]

Edje Edgar wrote...

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way.  Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection."

How is Mass Effect a dark game? How is being able to safe everyone and everything, everytime preparing us for a bittersweet ending? Oh wait, Ashley or Kaiden died in ME1. By that logic Sauron should've burned down Middle Earth and killed Frodo before being defeated because Boromir died in FOTR.

Well thanks for your wise lessons of life. Needed this wake up call. It's not like we have the eight o clock news to tell us depressing things happen in life, that's what we got you guys for.

Thank you! This is darn close to what I joined BSN to say. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like bioware was trying to hit us with a reality check that the majority of us didn't need (and certanly weren't looking for in an RPG). Real life is real and bad enough, but thanks for the reminder BioWare! <_< And if they really felt we needed a singular bitter ending to hold to their ideals for the game, it should have a least made some blasted sense.

[ChristianTh]

SnowyKai wrote...

Simplified version:

Magazines said they liked it, and they paid our bills.
Psssh, the nerds want a more refined story? It's perfect, see, Penny Arcade says so!



...Buy my DLC.

- Hudson

You waited nearly 10 days and tried to put all these under cover. This is not only about "We don' t like the endings. Or: We think these endings aren' t what you promissed us."
This is also about how you treated your fans.
Calling thousands of people at your forum a minority (several times).
Calling the charityaction childish via twitter (personal not as company).


What happend here, with this action is simply extraordinary.
Normaly, when we get a product we don' t like, we let it down. If we got 2 products we don' t like from the same manufacturer we blacklist this producer and talk to friends and family about this.

A lot of gamerelatedmedia have lost a lot of reputation and sympathie among the last days, so I thing there is not much room for any pr-tricks now, before the people loose their trust in BW.

[Salyut]

I'm rather disappointed by this message. It doesn't really address any of our complaints. It's just a lot of words that boil down to the same vague 'we're listening' answer we've been getting all this time.

I really hope BioWare will give us something conclusive soon. I understand they can't give specifics or make promises at this point, but can't they give us an idea of when we'll get a definite yes/no statement regarding ending DLC/changes? Like 'we'll reveal our stance on the endings during PAX' or something?

I didn't go to these boards and complain about DA2, even though I found the game lacking. I didn't complain about the paid day-one DLC, even though I disagreed with that practise from an ethical standpoint (and I'm saying that as a CE customer who was therefore entitled to the DLC anyway).
But these endings are just... too much.

[Verlidiane]

The Angry One wrote...

Mr. Hudson's statement now in easy to digest picture form:

A picture's worth a thousand words. 

[JosieFrances]

Really wish people were not so harsh, they can't dish out game content with the click of their fingers, this stuff has to be worked hard on otherwise we'll all just be complaining again, I hope it's DLC continued from the ending otherwise I feel my issues with the endings are still there. But im just grateful I have hope that i'll get what I want and im glad that Casey has given a response and has told us he's listening to our feedback!

[Farbautisonn]

JosieFrances wrote...

I totally agree with you! It's great he's taken the time to give us information,

-What information did you get? 

[Rogue Unit]

Farbautisonn wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

I totally agree with you! It's great he's taken the time to give us information,

-What information did you get? 

All I read was "we're listening" (not really) and "buy this DLC".

[LordJeyl]

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way."

Wow. Did he just mimic the Catalyst there? He says that the story needs a bittersweet ending because..... it needs a bitter sweet ending because it would betray Shepard's tough choices. No. The only thing that would betray Shepard's tough choices is having an ending where none of her choices affected anything. And when Shepard has successfully rallied the warring races of the galaxy together, Krogan, Tourian, Salarians, Batarian, Assari, Elcor, Quarians, Geth, and even unshackled rogue AIs, how is it that supposed to lead to an unavoidable bittersweet ending? I would think that the bittersweet ending would involve one where you didn't rally enough forces and instead made the galaxy worse.

And Casey, don't you think that forcing a bittersweet ending onto the series betrays the value of player choice in the series? Last I checked, Mass Effect 1 can have a good ending (Council is saved and humanity earns the respect of the council) or a bittersweet ending (council is destroyed and humanity has a foothold in council politics). Mass Effect 2 can have a good ending (Everyone survives and Cerberus doesn't get the collector base) or a bittersweet ending (Everyone, including Shepard dies and Cerberus gets the collector base). All of those depend on the choice of the player. But with Mass Effect 3, you're basically saying that regardless at how hard the player worked for to get the best possible ending, it MUST have a bittersweet ending regardless of what Shepard has done. How do you justify statements where player choice matters, except where it matters the most?

[sorentoft]

People be nice. You get nothing from poking at the poor man. I am glad that Casey responded and in fact he said more than "we're listening" he said "we're listening about the ending". So yeah, +1. Let us see where they carry this.

[lonestar5353]

So the ending was just an illusion and we get the real one in DLC like Prince of Persia (2008) got the real ending in the Epilogue DLC, right?

[The Enforcer OS]

I do appreciate that BioWare has been listening as is evident with many of the Mass Effect 3 structural changes from ME2. The journey was excellent, but as Casey said himself closure did feel like it could be more fleshed out.

I truly hope that DLC will provide more closure for the endings, npc characters that did get much attention, and really really really would like to have the multiplayer experience available so I can play locally with friends, gaming is about sharing those experiences with people we know too not just internet strangers.

[Farbautisonn]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

I totally agree with you! It's great he's taken the time to give us information,

-What information did you get? 

All I read was "we're listening" (not really) and "buy this DLC".

I got the same. And chris had allready stated that some 20 hrs before. So I didnt even need to change my blog or update it to publicly dissect it. Check it out. Its in my sig. And its precisely the same crap.

[BLOODRAPTORkz]

Hello everyone!!!
My name is Tair and i from Kazakhstan, i am 21 years old, i study international relationships at university. First meeting with ME was in 2007 actually at release date ( sorry for my English but my level is Intermediate) The first impresion was like - Oh my goodnes this is the best RPG i've ever seen. After two years i've bought the second part of ME and that was amazing! The characters, sound, graphic and gameplay all were so good that i ve been playng this game for seven month, i found a lot of things wich i noticed very inetesting, i was waiting for third part and finaly it was released, i bought it as usual, and when i was at the middle part in ME3 i thought that game is ideal....but when i done it....i was upset, because developers said us that we'll get all answers and our decisions which we made in all parts of ME will play a very important role...but when i did see the endings......i can't represent my emotions even now when it pass 3 days....i wish i could speak English very good couse i really want to say what exactly i found so bad at the end of game.....i hope that you will read it and it would be grate to add somthing or mak a new conlusion with DLC or patches
thank you for your attention

Modifié par BLOODRAPTORkz, 17 mars 2012 - 03:08 .

[Morameph]

Honestly while I didn't care for the endings, my real problem with what Bioware has done is they've made it clear that the game was either intentionally ended in a way as to create controversy or they delivered an incomplete product if what we were delivered was not the 'real' ending but a percursor to a dlc. So I've either been purposely cheated by getting an incomplete game, one that I paid a premium for as I purchased the collectors edition each time, or I've been cheated because they knew the ending would not sit well with people thus purposely ruining the experience for some of their audience.

Add the various other issues like abandoning the rpg roots of the game (the quest system doesn't even track the quest progress), adding a game reporter to the game as a character (either I missed a contest notice or some review was guaranteed in advance), making choices made in the last two games and the current one pointless with an ending that doesn't in any way reflect them, blatant money grab with multiplayer addition (packs that cost money with no gurantee of what you get?), blatant promise of money grab by mentioning upcomings dlc's at the end (I'm not sure I've ever been more disgusted with the greed of a company before now) and finally the obvious spin the various employees are now relaying to customers with vague responses.

While I hope they attempt to rectify the situation, in all honestly I'm just saddened that a rpg company that always seemed to respect it's core audience (and which I respected in return) has dropped us all in favor of the cash they hope the CoD crowd may provide over the long term. In the end, I won't say I'll never buy another Bioware or EA game, but I'll certainly never pre-order one again or bother with a collector's edition based on how they're handling what seem to me like legitimate complaints.

Modifié par Morameph, 17 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[jackyboy666]

I'm just glad that Bioware is acknowledging our frustrations with the ending. An overall incredible experience ME3 has been I will agree that the endings lacked any real choice.

Any DLC that will expand on the conclusion will be a definite bonus to Bioware for truly appreciating its fan-base.

The video that a fan made about the Indoctrination theory going around would be awesome if it was what Bioware intended

[catofnine]

Guys,

I think it's pointless to gripe at the man.

What do you do when an employee of a company screws you over? Aside from stop supporting their products and services? You talk to his/her boss. Take your disappointment there.

[thesmallearth]

Any Company that encounters this amount of attention from it's fan base should be humbled. You can count on one hand the number of IPs that has such a loyal following. Creating a void due to lack of communication, commitment and feedback only ends up distancing the players you wanted to attract in the first instance. More than not a Company is only really remembered by its last succesfull product. Please Mr Hudson don't be remembered as our generation's Mr Lucas.

[sentinelj]

so just compleated me3..............ummmm yeah dissipointed is an understatment, after being faitful to the games for years and the waiting for this final instalment i think ive been riped off, as for the dlc to correct it .... like the idea love dlc i do not mind paying extra for a total gameing exsperiance but wouldnt it totly screw the ending even more? wouldnt a free patch with alternat options work better? just a thought

[Faridle]

some fans riiight. <_<

Modifié par Faridle, 17 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[Subject M]

LinkSnake1016 wrote...

I understand "they" wanted a BITTERSWEET ending and it depresses me. I feel like many people just want resolution but I'm being selfish and want a happy ending! My poor Shepard only had 2..3 months tops with Kaidan but fraternization got in the way, then 2 years of him morning her death, 6 months with her in Cerberus, 6 months with Alliance isolation/trials, Kaidans doubts and almost death before they said to hell with everything and actually decided to be with each other. I've had bitter for a long time and I feel like they want to make my Shepard a martyr. I fought like hell to be with Kaidan and "He's fighting like hell to hold me in his arms again"!

I've lost a lot of members of my team, who were friends almost family, to me and my Shepard! I hope you listen and I hope that for my Shepard and her Kaidan they can beat the odds! This story has mad me cry so much that my husband actually thought someone called me and told me someone died! I've laughed and gotten angry with my team.

Is it so wrong to want that happy ending? I agree that if Shepard were in anyway free the continue with serving the Alliance or the Council, society would make her. I can see them also using her as a Symbol to rebuild Earth and the galaxy and she'll never get rest (or peace with Kaidan). She'll be cursed (?) like Jon Grissom was and I don't want that for her. Also, as per similar situations between games her team broke apart due to outside sources (mostly Alliance and some self continuation of their old life) I understand the ending would need to prevent things like this or Shepard's story will never end b/c she won't have rest but I am begging for a way to make things possible. For her, for Kaidan, for her team, and selfishly for me and the fans.

Yes, "happy endings" would be bittersweet given the massive destruction and so many deaths, even if Shepard and everyone of your team that you can bring to Earth survives.