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[Artemis_Entrari]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Kudos to Bioware for not changing their vision just because of a minority of somewhat vocal fans. No artist(s) should change their vision for that reason.

Well then they really shouldn't have advertised the game as the choices of the player having a huge impact on how the end of the game goes, then.

If they wanted the game to end in a specific way, with no real concern for the decisions the player made along the way, they should have simply advertised it as such and not the way they did.

For instance, if I play a Resident Evil game, I might not like the ending they come up with.  But I accept it because they never tell me that my decisions throughout the game will affect in profound ways what ending I get.  But when I play a game where the developers DO state that my choices throughout the whole series will determine the ending I get (and no, picking A, B, or C doesn't count as "my choice affecting the ending I get), I expect that to be the case.

[grimkillah]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Kudos to Bioware for not changing their vision just because of a minority of somewhat vocal fans. No artist(s) should change their vision for that reason.

I guess you don't speak corporate, because that statement pretty much stated that they are sorry for the ending, and will remake it another one, this time more to fans taste.

[Sonicsnak3]

Agreed, we are certainly not the minority. Makes me laugh every time I see someone write that. They need to read up more and get a clue. 90% dislike does not lie!

[Quarters Alpha]

Glad they're standing by their vision. Can see why it would disappoint some, but I would've been disappointed if they had just broken like a twig underneath the slightest pressure.

[Verit]

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the
underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do
otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along
the way.

This is particulary funny because I felt the ending was what betrayed the decisions my Shepard had to make along the way.

Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring
and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for
basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory
and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.

Well, I didn't experience any of that. It didn't feel like an actual victory nor did it offer any hope, if anything it was a tragic and dark ending. And that's even disregarding the plotholes and lack of closure.

Your feedback has always mattered.  Mass Effect is a collaboration between developers and players, and we continue to listen.

I really hope you do.

[Sonicsnak3]

Casey Hudson = ''Oh you want the Mass Effect 3 ending you paid for? We've dismissed that claim''.

[lastforone]

Didn't realized this can be happened when DA2 was messed up. Now? No more pre-order or not even single coins for BioWare and EA games unless they fix the ending.

[Verit]

grimkillah wrote...
I guess you don't speak corporate, because that statement pretty much stated that they are sorry for the ending, and will remake it another one, this time more to fans taste.

Unfortunately they actually said quite the opposite.

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Sonicsnak3 wrote...

Casey Hudson = ''Oh you want the Mass Effect 3 ending you paid for? We've dismissed that claim''.

lol
* realization "what am I laughing about" *
* dark depression again*

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Rycyyn wrote...

He manages to say a whole lot of nothing or address any of the criticism leveled at the game. All he does is play up how great the game is by name dropping PA and the New York Times.

this

[Deflagratio]

Even if the entire game is one long "Ending" which is fair, the very last moments of the game still make absolutely no sense in the context of any of it. They would have been better off rolling the credits immediately after you start the push to No-mans land.

They wanted "Lots of Speculation", but there's only a lot of speculation on one question; How could the last 15minutes be such a disservice to the previous five years?

[Malchus]

Claiming that "It's ok because NYT and PA liked it" is a very, very weak argument to give to FANS.

Both Mike and Jerry from Penny Arcade are HARDCORE Sci-Fi fans, including literature, movies and video games. They're the kind of people that like the ending of Blade Runner and prefer esoteric and philosophical conclusions and content. This may come from their incredible creativity, or just their MASSIVE exposure to all kinds of Sci-Fi content. Particularly in video game form.

This isn't bad, but it lends them a different point of view than your average player, myself included, who do NOT have time or resources to play/read/watch that much content. Most time, I appreciate their input, learning the viewpoint of someone other than yourself is a very worthwhile experience, particularly if you don't immediately discount it as dumb for not being yours.

This doesn't work so well for Mass Effect, simply because I, and most fans, want something different from it.

Firs off, the ONLY Sci-Fi RPG that I play is the Mass Effect series. I do not have time, and many gamers I know don't have the money, to invest in playing every Sci-Fi game that comes out. I like playing games as a form of entertainment apart from what I usually encounter in everyday life. Aliens, cool guns, spaceships, happy endings, all these are not what usually happens "IRL."
I happen to like that.

I liked Mass Effect 1 because, DEPENDING on my choices, people got saved, bad guys were dead, yay.
I liked Mass Effect 2 even more, because, DEPENDING on my choices, people got saved, bad guys got dead, yay.

Then I played Mass Effect 3, and REGARDLESS of my choices, at the end, everyone dies... maybe. That's just BS.
If I want a Philosophical or Esoteric experience, I read a freaking dissertation on human existence.

I play video games to shoot bad guys and save the day. Because it's my SPARE time and done for FUN.

Video game lectures on Philosophy aren't FUN.

Also, NYT reviewers get paid to write happy things, so, no dice there.

Just my 2 cents.

[hchadw]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Please see  Casey Hudson's comment on the conclusion of Mass Effect 3 here.

Please use this thread for your comments. Thanks.

Most REAL fans could careless what the New York Times has to say about the game... I care about what i was sold... A Game that allows all my decisions to matter ... Im sorry Casey but that ending was garbage and so is this multiplayer....

Huge fan for ME1 ME2 and ME3 ... up until the end.   I had planned to do many play throughs, but now there is no point ... only 3 Real endings!   with 5 or 10 seconds of a difference with a Dues Ex Crappy Ending!

I didnt spoil anything ....  your Dev Team Did!

Not sure of the damage thats been done...... .well here is an idea. I have no intention of purchasing any DLC Related to Multiplayer and Doubt i will for singleplayer now that there is no reason.... Hope you guys have Huge plan cause you just killed your 3rd installment for most of your die hard fans.... I have several friends that have purchased it and Feel the exact same way.....   sorry... it saddens me to say things like this but i just KNEW mutliplayer was gonna mess up the singleplayer!     

No Decisions from the previous titles changes anything in the ultimate ending of the 3rd which is sad..ALL the Bioware hype about this game was to beable to change the outcome and now us fans see the truth.

Bioware has been taken over by the REAPERS apparently!!!!

(I now wish i would have not purchased the collectors edtion)  Waited till the game tanked and dropped to 20-30 bucks... Thanks Bioware!

Also the Strat Guides are a waste now too

Me3 Strat guide... no need now... none of your choices matter!

Modifié par hchadw, 17 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[tuzem2]

Can please someone from the ME3 staff explain to us the endings?

Yeah, there may be 16 endings. When you remove the color differences there are approximately 5-6 with minor variations - Earth gets fully destroyed, half destroyed or not destroyed- Shepard always dies unless you get 5000+ EMS where he breathers at the end under some ruble (which seem to be ion Earth as people mentioned the Citadel is not made from concrete). What does this mean=

Also why in order for Shepard to live we had to supposedly kill EDI and the Geth.

When the Mass Relays get destroyed by the Citadel beam, doesn't this also destroy the planet systems (ME2 Arrival DLC)?

Why was Joker running away from Earth? Why was my team on the Normandy after it crashes when they were just with me? Why would they leave me alone to die?

Why was it important for Shepard to die to control/synthesize/destroy the Reapers? To tell us that whatever you do you are part of the cosmic joke and your actions at the end don't matter? Who created the AI kid at the end?

How does creating the synthetic Reapers and having them kill/harvest advanced civilizations to avoid destroying all organics better that destroying all organics? It seems rather cruel, doesn't it? "Instead of killing you immediately we are going to wait until you are able to think and feel and then we'll kill you"?!

What's the aftermath for the MASS effect universe when the MASS relays are destroyed?

What does the "breathing" ending mean´- is Shepard ultimately dead or alive? If alive, why does this only work if you decide to exterminate a whole species?

How do you think we will be willing to replay ME3 (or ME1 and ME2 for that matter) or download more pre-death ME3 DLC's when we know at the end we are still going to die? We have to be masochist to be willing to go through the sadness and depression again to see Shepard die?!

Why?

The ending is not bitter-sweet - it's bitter-sad!

P.S.: Sorry for my awesome grammer - I'm sad, depressed and drunk -- Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Modifié par tuzem2, 17 mars 2012 - 08:01 .

[hchadw]

tuzem2 wrote...

Can please someone from the ME3 staff explain to us the endings?

Yeah, there may be 16 endings. When you remove the color differences there are approximately 5-6 with minor variations - Earth gets fully destroyed, half destroyed or not destroyed- Shepard always dies unless you get 5000+ EMS where he breathers at the end under some ruble (which seem to be ion Earth as people mentioned the Citadel is not made from concrete). What does this mean=

Also why in order for Shepard to live we had to supposedly kill EDI and the Geth.

When the Mass Relays get destroyed by the Citadel beam, doesn't this also destroy the planet systems (ME2 Arrival DLC)?

Why was Joker running away from Earth? Why was my team on the Normandy after it crashes when they were just with me? Why would they leave me alone to die?

Why was it important for Shepard to die to control/synthesize/destroy the Reapers? To tell us that whatever you do you are part of the cosmic joke and your actions at the end don't matter? Who created the AI kid at the end?

How does creating the synthetic Reapers and having them kill/harvest advanced civilizations to avoid destroying all organics better that destroying all organics? It seems rather cruel, doesn't it? "Instead of killing you immediately we are going to wait until you are able to think and feel and then we'll kill you"?!

What's the aftermath for the MASS effect universe when the MASS relays are destroyed?

What does the "breathing" ending mean´- is Shepard ultimately dead or alive? If alive, why does this only work if you decide to exterminate a whole species?

How do you think we will be willing to replay ME3 (or ME1 and ME2 for that matter) or download more pre-death ME3 DLC's when we know at the end we are still going to die? We have to be masochist to be willing to go through the sadness and depression again to see Shepard die?!

Why?

The ending is not bitter-sweet - it's bitter-sad!

P.S.: Sorry for my awesome grammer - I'm sad, depressed and drunk -- Happy St. Patrick's Day!

GREAT POST... THATS about all my questions too..... you type pretty good for being drunk.. .Happy St. Patties Day!

[xXDarkNewDayxXx]

Malchus wrote...

I liked Mass Effect 1 because, DEPENDING on my choices, people got saved, bad guys were dead, yay.
I liked Mass Effect 2 even more, because, DEPENDING on my choices, people got saved, bad guys got dead, yay.

Then I played Mass Effect 3, and REGARDLESS of my choices, at the end, everyone dies... maybe. That's just BS.
If I want a Philosophical or Esoteric experience, I read a freaking dissertation on human existence.

I play video games to shoot bad guys and save the day. Because it's my SPARE time and done for FUN.

Video game lectures on Philosophy aren't FUN.

Also, NYT reviewers get paid to write happy things, so, no dice there.

Just my 2 cents.

^^This. So much this.

[tuzem2]

@hchadw

Thanks

[JMA22TB]

Ya quoting the New York Times is pretty weak. They are so obviously bought and paid for.

[hchadw]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Kudos to Bioware for not changing their vision just because of a minority of somewhat vocal fans. No artist(s) should change their vision for that reason.

Well then they really shouldn't have advertised the game as the choices of the player having a huge impact on how the end of the game goes, then.

If they wanted the game to end in a specific way, with no real concern for the decisions the player made along the way, they should have simply advertised it as such and not the way they did.

For instance, if I play a Resident Evil game, I might not like the ending they come up with.  But I accept it because they never tell me that my decisions throughout the game will affect in profound ways what ending I get.  But when I play a game where the developers DO state that my choices throughout the whole series will determine the ending I get (and no, picking A, B, or C doesn't count as "my choice affecting the ending I get), I expect that to be the case.

yeah im tempted to just start up a game with No imports and a brand new shepard in ME3 just see the same 3 choices you get for spening 150+ Hours  playing them all 3 combined just to get the same damn ending......

It was advertised that you can change the path and ending of the game.... this is false advertising!

And if they Release DLC to fix this broke @ $ $ ending they better not 10$ here 10$ therecharge everyone for what they should have had in the damn game FINISHED!

Like i said i have no intention of purchasing any DLC for this unless there are some drastic changes... as far as im concerned the series is dead now ... Killed by the 3rd Installment too.. go figure!

Modifié par hchadw, 17 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Rodenga]

I have called the offices of BioWare, EA, and several other places multiple times. I am incredibly upset at how, with the ending of the game, they disregarded every action I had done.

[vietkb2000]

hchadw wrote...

tuzem2 wrote...

Can please someone from the ME3 staff explain to us the endings?

Yeah, there may be 16 endings. When you remove the color differences there are approximately 5-6 with minor variations - Earth gets fully destroyed, half destroyed or not destroyed- Shepard always dies unless you get 5000+ EMS where he breathers at the end under some ruble (which seem to be ion Earth as people mentioned the Citadel is not made from concrete). What does this mean=

Also why in order for Shepard to live we had to supposedly kill EDI and the Geth.

When the Mass Relays get destroyed by the Citadel beam, doesn't this also destroy the planet systems (ME2 Arrival DLC)?

Why was Joker running away from Earth? Why was my team on the Normandy after it crashes when they were just with me? Why would they leave me alone to die?

Why was it important for Shepard to die to control/synthesize/destroy the Reapers? To tell us that whatever you do you are part of the cosmic joke and your actions at the end don't matter? Who created the AI kid at the end?

How does creating the synthetic Reapers and having them kill/harvest advanced civilizations to avoid destroying all organics better that destroying all organics? It seems rather cruel, doesn't it? "Instead of killing you immediately we are going to wait until you are able to think and feel and then we'll kill you"?!

What's the aftermath for the MASS effect universe when the MASS relays are destroyed?

What does the "breathing" ending mean´- is Shepard ultimately dead or alive? If alive, why does this only work if you decide to exterminate a whole species?

How do you think we will be willing to replay ME3 (or ME1 and ME2 for that matter) or download more pre-death ME3 DLC's when we know at the end we are still going to die? We have to be masochist to be willing to go through the sadness and depression again to see Shepard die?!

Why?

The ending is not bitter-sweet - it's bitter-sad!

P.S.: Sorry for my awesome grammer - I'm sad, depressed and drunk -- Happy St. Patrick's Day!

GREAT POST... THATS about all my questions too..... you type pretty good for being drunk.. .Happy St. Patties Day!

OMG THIS!!!!! ^^^^^^^ really what the hell is with this ending! all my choices all my action, for NOTHING!!! screw this, first DA2 Story than this. Can't even stomach a replay of the game for my romance with ashley. freaking hate the ending. 

[Arandar]

I don't see anything in that post other than: I AM BIOWARE EMPLOYEE ACTUALLY TALKING TO YOU. HOPE THIS APPEASES YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT WE WILL CHANGE ENDING WHEN REALLY WE DON'T WANT TO.

That's what I got out of that post.

[hchadw]

Arandar wrote...

I don't see anything in that post other than: I AM BIOWARE EMPLOYEE ACTUALLY TALKING TO YOU. HOPE THIS APPEASES YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT WE WILL CHANGE ENDING WHEN REALLY WE DON'T WANT TO.

That's what I got out of that post.

Atleast my fancy artbook and Collectors edition toys i got didnt get consumed by the green/red/Blue Dues Ex Engergy Blast that Reset the universe

[Lancane]

I'd have to concur with some
of the more hardened Bioware supporters that the way it's been
handled by some of us who are disappointed and enraged by the ending
has indeed been in the wrong fashion. However, I myself have seen
just as many hateful verbal barrages coming from those same said
supporters of the company and they feel justified in doing so, even
if they haven't realized that they're not helping the situation,
they're only making it worse and lowering themselves to the level of
others while calling those same said others immature, spoiled and
whatnot.

Casey Hudson and Bioware
should have been more cautious in their decisions, especially in a
economic market where consumers are already leery due to capital
influx and instability, for some gamers who're working to just put
food on the table day by day this will be the only game they planned
on purchasing for half a year or more and the one they've anticipated
for most only to be brutally let down. Not to mention that the main
consumer target was the American people who've just seen the end of
one war that lasted a decade and are still involved in another that
has been going on longer and are on the brink of another with Iran. A
game about self-sacrifice no matter your decision wasn't going to
come across as well as they might have imagined in the current
climate, it would be fair to say that patriotism is at an all time
low, I've heard that's why Gears of War ended on a more positive note
then it might have before. And let's not forget that Mass Effect does
target players who are fans of the RPG genre more so then any other,
now that might mean nothing to casual gamers but knowing hardcore
role playing fanatics, they don't play games to just play games, they
play to escape reality and for a hundred or so hours become a king,
assassin, warrior, knight, prince or soldier, they want to experience
the action and romanticism of what their lives lack day in and day
out, not feel the despair that they already do in real life.


And really, what would it
have hurt to give the consumers multiple endings that ended on other
notes besides self-sacrifice and despair, it doesn't effect the canon
which is what the company writers choose. This was suppose to be the
end of Shepard's Story and unless they were planning on developing
Mass Effect 4 which begins days after the war, it really would not
have mattered if Shepard and his or her love interest retired
somewhere quiet from the universe. Most of the current crew and squad
would likely be long gone before the continuation of the story if
there ever was to be one. And hard pressed to have a continuation
when you effectively disenchant the majority of your fan
base...Bioware should ask their old friend George Lucas about how
that works out.


I've been reading as many
articles as I can pull up and I do think Bioware made some huge
mistakes in the development of this game, the ending was horrendous
but far from the only problem though by in far the largest. In fact
if you read what was promised and what was revealed from the script
leaks then a good 30% if not more of the game is missing, now that
could all be included in DLC plan that Bioware supposedly has in
place already, and I admit I'm hoping that is indeed the truth of the
matter, because then it would make sense – then it sort of becomes
similar to a director's cut and could point to what the issue was
more in depth regarding 'From Ashes'. I believe Bioware is going to
release about four DLC packages in the end if not more, that you can
purchase either individually or in a compilation expansion with extra
bonuses, I also believe that these will unlock other ending choices
and likewise the epilogue of the storyline that gamers chose at the
end. Now I could be absolutely off my rocker in my assessment, but I
don't believe I am. I keep reminding myself that they said “Remember
to save your Mass Effect 3 saved game data.”, there is a reason for
that.  

But, until that time I feel it's my right and duty as a consumer to complain about a product that as for now I feel is lacking. 

[Jvolikas]

tuzem2 wrote...

Can please someone from the ME3 staff explain to us the endings?

Yeah, there may be 16 endings. When you remove the color differences there are approximately 5-6 with minor variations - Earth gets fully destroyed, half destroyed or not destroyed- Shepard always dies unless you get 5000+ EMS where he breathers at the end under some ruble (which seem to be ion Earth as people mentioned the Citadel is not made from concrete). What does this mean=

Also why in order for Shepard to live we had to supposedly kill EDI and the Geth.

When the Mass Relays get destroyed by the Citadel beam, doesn't this also destroy the planet systems (ME2 Arrival DLC)?

Why was Joker running away from Earth? Why was my team on the Normandy after it crashes when they were just with me? Why would they leave me alone to die?

Why was it important for Shepard to die to control/synthesize/destroy the Reapers? To tell us that whatever you do you are part of the cosmic joke and your actions at the end don't matter? Who created the AI kid at the end?

How does creating the synthetic Reapers and having them kill/harvest advanced civilizations to avoid destroying all organics better that destroying all organics? It seems rather cruel, doesn't it? "Instead of killing you immediately we are going to wait until you are able to think and feel and then we'll kill you"?!

What's the aftermath for the MASS effect universe when the MASS relays are destroyed?

What does the "breathing" ending mean´- is Shepard ultimately dead or alive? If alive, why does this only work if you decide to exterminate a whole species?

How do you think we will be willing to replay ME3 (or ME1 and ME2 for that matter) or download more pre-death ME3 DLC's when we know at the end we are still going to die? We have to be masochist to be willing to go through the sadness and depression again to see Shepard die?!

Why?

The ending is not bitter-sweet - it's bitter-sad!

P.S.: Sorry for my awesome grammer - I'm sad, depressed and drunk -- Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Great post and I agree.  ME3 was truly great...until the last 15 minutes managed to make 4 years of gaming investment irrelevant and instead you pick a color.