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Greywinter wrote...

I actually like the concept of ME 3's ending, i loved how the story ended and I agree that there had to be a sour note and bittersweet end was the only proper way to bring this epic story to a close, i totally get it, i was expecting nothing else. Great job Bioware!!

However, what I didn't like about ending is how the cutscenes played out. Following are some of things that concerned me;

1. In last mission i had Tali and Garrus as my squad mates but when i fell to that reaper beam and became unconcious, what happened to my squad mates?

2. How did tali got on normandy (because she came out of normandy on the other planet)?

3. How the hell joker got on normandy and had it up and running in outerspace?

4. And when you trigger the end game video by walking up the path of your choice the first cutscene that comes up shows joker, then anderson and liara? why liara? i romanced tali, it should have been tali. the cutscene shows only these three people in succession so it didnt make sense why liara showed up in that cutscene.

5. Also i would like to see Tali's face on her shoulders, rather than in a frame? I hope bioware actually consider this request and put a face on tali rather than showing it in a frame.

I dont want to change the ending, the concept is great, i just want bioware to fix the cutscenes and put a face real face on tali.


Well, see, that's YOUR ending and it is fine.  For you.  You WANT your Shepard dead but this is where we part ways.  You don't get to dictate the death of MY Shepard.  I don't do suicide.  I don't believe in suicide missions.

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so it basically says that they will milk the fans with DLC, critics where ok with the ending so we don't care (and we will be diverting our resources to the sinking ship what is SWOR)

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Getorex wrote...

Well, see, that's YOUR ending and it is fine.  For you.  You WANT your Shepard dead but this is where we part ways.  You don't get to dictate the death of MY Shepard.  I don't do suicide.  I don't believe in suicide missions.


I love this, this is exactly what they advertised. Nobody's ending would be the same, which is not the case. We want to end OUR stories how WE played them for FIVE YEARS. 

It's not a film, it's not music, it's not a book, it's something we've actively interacted with and controlled and shaped for a long time. For you to just slap the same ending across the board for everyone at the end breaks everything ME has ever been for me.

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You know, one good thing that has come of this fiasco is a new saint and a new blessing.

The Saint: Marauder Shields. We need a pendant of him on a necklace. He protects us from bad endings.

The blessing: "May Marauder Shields protect you", meaning may you not come to a horrible end.

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Getorex wrote...

Well, see, that's YOUR ending and it is fine.  For you.  You WANT your Shepard dead but this is where we part ways.  You don't get to dictate the death of MY Shepard.  I don't do suicide.  I don't believe in suicide missions.


With due respect , you fail to understand the concept. There is no YOUR Shepard or MY Shepard, there is just Shepard and thats how his story ends. The story ends the way it ends, you dont get to tell the writer to change his/her fiction, its impolite and you are challenging the writer's integrity for what? For writing down his/her own mind? For ending the story in a certain manner, that his/her mind gave birth to, in the first place?

No disrespect intended here, it seems childish to me, if you buy a book and dont like its ending so you tell the writer that he should change the ending and publish again.

ME 3 is the best game out there at the moment and Bioware did an excellent job with it, all they need to do is fix the cutscenes because how cutscenes played out , was awkward at best.

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Ah, this takes me back to when Casey and Chris "denied" the existence of multiplayer. If verbal gymnastics were an Olympic sport, Bioware would take home the gold medal.

Seriously, all I got from that was, "We hear you, but we're not really going to say anything of substance about your concerns. We got great press reviews though, so yeah! By the way, we're making DLC for you to buy once this whole 'bad ending has the fans upset' thing has blown over. M'kay thanks, byeeee.

I don't feel as though fans ire regarding the ending, and there really is only one, stems purely from the whining entitlement that has been ascribed to it. There are inconsistencies, ideas that contradict elements established in the entire series to date, puzzling events, concepts introduced at the very last moment with no explanation or lore to back them up, and a complete lack of resolution to the fate of the galaxy.

To put it bluntly, space magic and numerous unanswered questions does not, in my opinion, constitute a satisfying ending. Many others feel the same. I don't need Bioware to create a new ending (though I'd like it), but I would like them to stop patronizing people and admit that they made a mistake. Or, at the very least, tell us that they regret that so many people didn't care for the ending, but this was the vision they had and they're sticking with it.

Modifié par Cancer Puppet, 17 mars 2012 - 09:55 .


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Greywinter wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Well, see, that's YOUR ending and it is fine.  For you.  You WANT your Shepard dead but this is where we part ways.  You don't get to dictate the death of MY Shepard.  I don't do suicide.  I don't believe in suicide missions.


With due respect , you fail to understand the concept. There is no YOUR Shepard or MY Shepard, there is just Shepard and thats how his story ends. The story ends the way it ends, you dont get to tell the writer to change his/her fiction, its impolite and you are challenging the writer's integrity for what? For writing down his/her own mind? For ending the story in a certain manner, that his/her mind gave birth to, in the first place?

No disrespect intended here, it seems childish to me, if you buy a book and dont like its ending so you tell the writer that he should change the ending and publish again.

ME 3 is the best game out there at the moment and Bioware did an excellent job with it, all they need to do is fix the cutscenes because how cutscenes played out , was awkward at best.

You're already asking for changes. What we're asking is for the product we purchase to match the description which was repeatedly provided beforehand - namely, that your choices would shape the outcome, and not converge into a single ending. It wouldn't be a difficult change if they approach it the right way. I don't want this to hurt Bioware as a company. That's why we're offering suggestions - mutually beneficial solutions still exist, we just need to clearly state what those are.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 17 mars 2012 - 09:45 .


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traded my mass effect in, i may get it back if mass effect ever does fix the end. Failing that i hope the pc mod community sort some hald decent ending out. bioware you are dead to me.

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Greywinter wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Well, see, that's YOUR ending and it is fine.  For you.  You WANT your Shepard dead but this is where we part ways.  You don't get to dictate the death of MY Shepard.  I don't do suicide.  I don't believe in suicide missions.


With due respect , you fail to understand the concept. There is no YOUR Shepard or MY Shepard, there is just Shepard and thats how his story ends. The story ends the way it ends, you dont get to tell the writer to change his/her fiction, its impolite and you are challenging the writer's integrity for what? For writing down his/her own mind? For ending the story in a certain manner, that his/her mind gave birth to, in the first place?

No disrespect intended here, it seems childish to me, if you buy a book and dont like its ending so you tell the writer that he should change the ending and publish again.

ME 3 is the best game out there at the moment and Bioware did an excellent job with it, all they need to do is fix the cutscenes because how cutscenes played out , was awkward at best.


Actually, I believe you don't get the concept. The thing Bioware have sold to us for Mass Effect since the very first game is this is YOUR story. YOURS. Nobody elses. You decide how you act, who you're friends with, what you do, whatever you want. You cannot compare this game to a book, in anyway. In a book, can you reach in and change a chapter because you really didn't like that one character? No? Well you can in Mass Effect.

That's the point, you're interacting with the story from the first game to the last, whereas in a book, you're just sitting on it's back being taken for a ride. That's fine in itself, but don't try to compare the two. The ending doesn't make any sense, the plot-holes themselves just destroy the ending, even if we did like it. 

Not to mention pre-launch we were promised things by Bioware/Casey that just aren't true anymore.

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I just dont understand why the people who have been complaining about the game since they finished the game, haven't sold their games back and moved on to another game? instead they (in my opinion) make a big deal about nothing...these people really must have nothing better to do than complain about a game...unbelievable..if you dont like it, then move on...

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Greywinter wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Well, see, that's YOUR ending and it is fine.  For you.  You WANT your Shepard dead but this is where we part ways.  You don't get to dictate the death of MY Shepard.  I don't do suicide.  I don't believe in suicide missions.


With due respect , you fail to understand the concept. There is no YOUR Shepard or MY Shepard, there is just Shepard and thats how his story ends. The story ends the way it ends, you dont get to tell the writer to change his/her fiction, its impolite and you are challenging the writer's integrity for what? For writing down his/her own mind? For ending the story in a certain manner, that his/her mind gave birth to, in the first place?

No disrespect intended here, it seems childish to me, if you buy a book and dont like its ending so you tell the writer that he should change the ending and publish again.

ME 3 is the best game out there at the moment and Bioware did an excellent job with it, all they need to do is fix the cutscenes because how cutscenes played out , was awkward at best.


Actually yes we DO get to tell.  See, the game, from day 1, was advertised and sold as a collaborative game where the choices of the player (I would be a player, for instance) determines the outcome.  It was advertised from day 1 as being a game where choices made in gameplay had effects later.  It was advertised and promised that there would be many endings, each depending on the choices we made throughout the game.  It was NEVER advertised (nor did I pay for) a game where a "writer" gets to dictate to me what MY collaborative ending is.  Never.  Up to the release of the game in PRE-ORDER it was sold as a game where choices mattered.  What we got was a monolithic ending in which no choice had any effect.

I'm sorry but you clearly missed the clear concept of the game from day 1, didn't hear or read the promises made from day 1, and don't particularly care what the hell game has in it except be a fun run-and-gun with nice T-n-A in it, and just be happy with a spoon-fed ending.  That is NOT what MOST of us paid for, not what MOST of us expected based on advertising and repeated statements and promises from the developers.  THAT is the issue. 

In any case, it appears moot.  It appears (we'll see) that they are going to take user suggestions and FIX the borked ending.  Sorry, but 90:10 against the ending you love is not a vote for dictatorship by author.

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To put it bluntly, the endings left such a terrible taste in the mouths of 95+% of the customer base.. that none of us are going to double-down on DLC not related to washing this foul taste out of our mouths.

I also don't undertand the fixation with multiplayer DLC.... i'm pretty sure 95% of the customer wasn't going..oh mass effect 3 has multiplayer .. must buy....they were going ... mass effect 3 is going to conclude one of the greatest stories we've ever experienced ..must buy. So wasting a ton of resources on a portion of the product that most of your customers don't care much for..is a massive waste of money/effort energy.

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alienatedflea wrote...

I just dont understand why the people who have been complaining about the game since they finished the game, haven't sold their games back and moved on to another game? instead they (in my opinion) make a big deal about nothing...these people really must have nothing better to do than complain about a game...unbelievable..if you dont like it, then move on...


You CAN'T "sell back" a digital download copy.  You CAN'T get your money back. Finally, we are still using the power of the purse to force them to either fix it so we can go back to playing it (again and again) OR we leave with our wallets sealed.  No DLC, not trinkets, no nothing.  And plummeting sales.

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seems doesn't really reads players feedback about the end

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories"

we dont like the ending not much bcs its not finish but bcs you lie to us about the impact of our choices on the end :

"that means the endings can be a lot more different. at this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. it's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C." - casey hudson, jan 11, 2012

humhum....

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Having read some of the posts of people who felt the ending shouldn't be changed, and we shouldn't be whining, the more I understand why the ability to choose the "Action" option is there. Almost feels like these people bought this game without understanding the entire concept of the series since day one.

Your choices, and how they affect your story.

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Greywinter wrote...

With due respect , you fail to understand the concept. There is no YOUR Shepard or MY Shepard, there is just Shepard and thats how his story ends. The story ends the way it ends, you dont get to tell the writer to change his/her fiction, its impolite and you are challenging the writer's integrity for what? For writing down his/her own mind? For ending the story in a certain manner, that his/her mind gave birth to, in the first place?

No disrespect intended here, it seems childish to me, if you buy a book and dont like its ending so you tell the writer that he should change the ending and publish again.

ME 3 is the best game out there at the moment and Bioware did an excellent job with it, all they need to do is fix the cutscenes because how cutscenes played out , was awkward at best.


Ever heard of Arthur Conan Doyle? Sherlock Holmes?

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I hate EA just money money and DLCs i have give my opinion of the ending like 95% it sucks want an ending not a mage making wierd thinks like teleporting my squad to the normandy. How in the hell they survive all the fleets on solar systems without mass relees? really disapointed with this ending, when i pay money for a game, and that's the normal thing on me, i want a full game not game that i must pay 3 times to get it full. Thanks EA.

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wryterra wrote...

Greywinter wrote...

With due respect , you fail to understand the concept. There is no YOUR Shepard or MY Shepard, there is just Shepard and thats how his story ends. The story ends the way it ends, you dont get to tell the writer to change his/her fiction, its impolite and you are challenging the writer's integrity for what? For writing down his/her own mind? For ending the story in a certain manner, that his/her mind gave birth to, in the first place?

No disrespect intended here, it seems childish to me, if you buy a book and dont like its ending so you tell the writer that he should change the ending and publish again.

ME 3 is the best game out there at the moment and Bioware did an excellent job with it, all they need to do is fix the cutscenes because how cutscenes played out , was awkward at best.


Ever heard of Arthur Conan Doyle? Sherlock Holmes?


-Oh oh! I can play this game too... and Ive got a BETTER example...

Ever heard of "Deception" ?

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 17 mars 2012 - 10:21 .


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Can please someone from the ME3 staff explain to us the endings?
 
Yeah, there may be 16 endings. When you remove the color differences there are approximately 5-6 with minor variations - Earth gets fully destroyed, half destroyed or not destroyed- Shepard always dies unless you get 5000+ EMS where he breathers at the end under some ruble (which seem to be ion Earth as people mentioned the Citadel is not made from concrete). What does this mean=

 
The EMS is basically how much you managed to recruit the galaxy into fighting the Reapers; when you consider how much there are in the Milky Way and how ginormous Reapers are, your going to need alot of assets. From a Gamer's perspective it's what you will call the perfect ending, which you have to really be stringent on getting almost every little thing in the game in order to get it.
 

Also why in order for Shepard to live we had to supposedly kill EDI and the Geth.

 
Catylyst made the Reapers to prevent chaos; by which he meant that advanced civilizations will create very powerful synthetics that will ultimately rebel against they're creators, as it was shown heavily in those flashbacks with the Quarians and the Geth; if you want Shepard to live but still destroy the Reapers, the only way to do that is to destroy all forms of synthetic life, which unfortunately includes EDI and the Geth.
 
Is it a happy ending? Of course not; but keep in mind the best endings are usually the ones that make use think about what the morales this form of entertainment was trying to teach, not when all the good guys like and all the bad guy dies, that would be trying to dumb down a series that has one of the richest and most complex stories in the videogame industry.
 

When the Mass Relays get destroyed by the Citadel beam, doesn't this also destroy the planet systems (ME2 Arrival DLC)?

 
The one that got destroyed in Arrival was the Alpha Relay, supposedly the first Mass Relay ever constructed, and it was destroyed by hurling a big ass asteroid into it. Quite frankly this could be a case of apples and oranges, as they way both the Alpha and Mass relays get destroyed are vastly different. IMO, I think that the original makers of the MR devices -The Reapers- were waiting for someone who would bring forth the next stage of evolution "Synthesis" and so they installed a fail-safe mechanism that would make sure the resulting explosion will be very contained if the MR's were destroyed by the Citadel beam.
 
 

Why was Joker running away from Earth? Why was my team on the Normandy after it crashes when they were just with me? Why would they leave me alone to die?


 
Remember being attacked by Harbinger just before reaching the Citadel? I have two theories on that.
 
1. Shepard was the only one who entered the pit, as his teammates decided to stay behind to make sure none of the husks would come and flank Shepard, Anderson and the other humans from behind.
 
2. Shepard blacked out after Harbinger attacked, the most likely scenario is that when Anderson woke up first, he woke up Shepards teammates and told them to head back into the Normandy. Why he didn't wake up Shepard is probably because he thought Shepard got killed; when we saw him in the Citadel he quite literally looked like **** and was bleeding profusely from his abdomen so it was a miracle he was still standing.
 

Why was it important for Shepard to die to control/synthesize/destroy the Reapers? To tell us that whatever you do you are part of the cosmic joke and your actions at the end don't matter? Who created the AI kid at the end?

Shepard is part synthetic remember? At the beginning of Mass Effect 2, he was basically reconstructed by Cerberus with many synthetic parts because his body was severely damaged after re-entering the atmosphere. Catalyst clearly stated that only synthetics can control and destroy the Reapers, while a hybrid is needed to make the step forward in evolution. Sacrifice is a dirty thing to do but as the old saying goes, it’s better to kill one to save a hundred.
 

How does creating the synthetic Reapers and having them kill/harvest advanced civilizations to avoid destroying all organics better that destroying all organics? It seems rather cruel, doesn't it? "Instead of killing you immediately we are going to wait until you are able to think and feel and then we'll kill you"?!

 
Your oversimplifying the Reapers; they’re not crazed homicidal maniacs that only want domination for snythetics. Catalyst made the Reapers to be the caretakers of the universe; to prevent they’re vision of chaos from happening, which is synthetics created by advanced civilizations rebelling against the creators and killing all organics. They only destroy the civilizations that passed the threshold of being able to create artificial life, and preserve those that are basically in it’s infancy, like us 50’000 years ago. It’s like what Adolf Hitler did with the Jews, in order to preserve and save the “Aryan Race” that were german ethnics, he killed minorities relentlessly in an very twisted form of ethnic cleansing. The Reapers were doing the same thing in context, kill the advanced organics to save organics as a whole from themselves.
 

What's the aftermath for the MASS effect universe when the MASS relays are destroyed?

That’s’ what Mass Effect 4 is for, 1-3 is the Shepard trilogy.
 

What does the "breathing" ending mean´- is Shepard ultimately dead or alive? If alive, why does this only work if you decide to exterminate a whole species?

 
Synthesis requires Shepard to be practically dissolved into that Stream of light and have that radiant green light aftermath to be spread through the galaxy by those Mass Relay explosions.

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The thing I love most about this whole thread? 28 pages and only the first post is from somebody from Bioware.

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audience keep wating a response from bioware, someday somehow must arrive

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Compare the so differents endings at the end of this you tube video and you'll see how our choices counts.



After Mass effect 1 and 2 I've bought the Mass Effect 3 digital version 70€,
Sure that Bioware will respect what they said about the fact our choices will count on ME3 endings.

Again Marketing show us us its strengh about the way to dress lies as Truth, Bioware guys here only break their words.

But does bioware folks will read our posts and take account of our request for ending change. Moderator any comments ?

No they are proud of their ending, that's all folks, buy DLC and clothe your great mouth

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Justin2k wrote...

"This is not the last you will hear of commander shepard".

Does that mean more ending DLC? Because really this was meant to be the end of his story. The game. The game should have significantly ended it.

DLC sure, they were always going to release it, but it should be battle for Omega or something, taking place during the gameplay. Not additional ending that you are required to pay for. Thats disgusting if that was the plan all along.



 I will buy the omega DLC if it has a updated THE ARRIVAL OF A GOOD ENDING DLC (FOR FREE)

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deamon deathstone1 wrote...

The thing I love most about this whole thread? 28 pages and only the first post is from somebody from Bioware.



They Are busy trying to come up with more stupid Weekend Multiplayer events and  Money Dump multiplayer DLC like Kits for real world money..


Man the masses are suffering from stupidity!