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#51
Romantiq

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I was ok with an ending. I never expected kittens and puppies at the end of these series. Sacrifices had to be made.

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There was nothing sweet about that ending. It was all bitter. With a large dose of confusing. But I guess that's what you wanted, wasn't it? Congrats. You succeeded.

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Ok...so this could mean 3 things:

1) DLC pre-Earth Mission

2) DLC for Multiplayer

3) DLC that affects somewhat the ending

1 and 2, I dont care, as I wanted a nice ending, no a happy ending, just...an ending, one that felt coherent, that made sense, not something that tries to be artistic and fails, so this kind of DLC dont fulfill my desire of clousure

3, well thats different, and I have hope that will be that way...

Just wanna say that Mass Effect 3 is one of the best games that I ever played, and I love it, but the ending...the ending sucks, and for me, the trilogy ended with Anderson and Shepard talking and watching Earth (although the hole scene with The Ilusive Man inside a part of the Citadel is quite bizzarre and incoherent)

In conclusion, I still have a bit of hope that this will change...time will tell

Modifié par William91, 17 mars 2012 - 01:50 .


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To me he basically said 'The big names liked the game, some players didn't, whatevs'

Then he said 'We gonna make some dlc so get your wallets ready'

My apathy was starting to sink in before I saw this, was ready to just move on and forget about Mass Effect, BioWare, and EA as a whole, but now I'm just angry again.

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Lillian Sword-Maiden

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"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending"

:/ Bull poop. There was nothing sweet about the ending as it was presented to us. It was plain old bitter.

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GhostV9

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Funny, I was just waiting for some kind of announcement before I decide what to do with my ME3 copy.

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Nevaeh15

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So.... The game itself was great... but defending the... "ending" is a testament to how much Bioware has lost touch with their fans...

Can I have a refund now, please?

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StrikeSaber47

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Well that is it then. I am done dealing with it. Not going to invest in any of their other stuff in the future and moving on.

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Anthadlas

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I love how he's name dropping people who think the game is good, Let me go get all the articles saying how crap the ending is and see if i can fit it into 1 comment box

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While I appreciate that Mister Hudson was able to provide a statement concerning the current issue with the 'endings', he basically repeats himself across all paragraphs and explains nothing. He points out that the endings are the apex of all our choices in-game and Shepard's plot-line but that makes no sense at all. Both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 had endings in which your choices provoked a final leap, they had consequences.

In Mass Effect 3, it feels like we, the players, are being forced down a specific path that brings nothing to the plate, not even closure. When, ironically, this is meant to be the last game associated with Shepard's arc-story. I am deeply disappointed that Bioware is taking such a meek approach to fans when their forums are literally full of threads and activism in hope of 'tweaking' the endings into something appropriate of a final game.

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Romantiq wrote...

I was ok with an ending. I never expected kittens and puppies at the end of these series. Sacrifices had to be made.


YOu have no idea what you're talking about. Kindly go educate yourself.

We don't want a happy ending. We want an ending that makes sense and gives us closure.

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I have absolutely no desire to touch the Mass Effect series again at it's current state. I can probably grow to deal with the ending, but there is absolutely zero replay value. The "ending" and all the sense it kind of didn't make killed that for me.

Modifié par Saphirus, 17 mars 2012 - 01:51 .


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MageTarot

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Very disappointed with Mr. Hudson's comment. But hey - sounds like he has a future in politics!

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Yuzna75

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Was to be expected though. Never seen any kind of reply that actually states something solid. I can understand why bioware sticks with their ending and in the end its their right to do so. I don't agree with it and I thought it was very odd and out of place, but in the end its their game. I have been torn about the end ever since I finished the game and I have just learned to accept it for what it is, What still bugs me though is that no matter which "color" you pick at the end there is no sense of conclusion. What are the effects of your actions and what happens to all the companions that shared your journey. That still irks me, since its supposed to be the conclusion of it all. So now you are left with a disappointing end and no closure, and that is just too much.

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Mr. Gogeta34

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syllogi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I challenge any member of Bioware staff (and their supporters) to defend that ending with regards to the its coherency.


Did you see those links to the NY Times and Penny Arcade?  Well, there you go.


"Defend the ending" as in backing up the notion that there was nothing wrong with it.  Saying "it's artistic license" is not a defense to a broken plot.

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austinlc99

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According to Casy Hudson, "bittersweet" translates to plotholes and lore inconsistencies. Well played sir, well played.

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Remember to be civil people, even if emotions run high.. There is still hope.

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Ona Demonie

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Casey,

You rather take the opinion of New York Times, IGN, and Penny Arcade, than your OWN fans? The fans who are the ones who play your games, who draw the fan art, who tell their friends to play Mass Effect, who buy your merchandise, and who praise you for your past efforts? I get it - you're part of a company and your goal is to make money. But how can you make more money when your fans are cancelling their SWTOR accounts and turning in ME3 games, effectively giving GameStop the money? You didn't need to screw up the endings to get fans talking. You just needed to make an epic game. Mass Effect is this generation's Star Trek. It will never be forgotten. But its really bad when your fans WANT to forget the endings ever happened. They rather headcanon the endings.

Good businesses listen to their fans and implement their feedback. Since DLCs haven't been released yet, we don't know what you're planning. But its better be satisfying to the fanbase or else this won't end well business-wise.

I don't understand - you made 99% of ME3 amazing. Mind-blowing. Simply outstanding. But the endings... those last 10-15 minutes managed to ruin the game, according to the fanbase. What happened?

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As it stands the Indoctrination theory is still plausible, but we won't know anything until a DLC pack is released. Like a lot of people have already said, this posts is pretty much a Codex entry about things we already knew. NY Times, PA, so it looks like we'll have to wait it out to see how this 5 year journey ends.

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How disappointing. A great opportunity to rekindle the faith with your most trusted and core consumers and you simply throw it away with a very well crafted and corporate safe address to the fans. The only great thing about it was the call out to the team that has invested their energy, time and dedication to this product, great recognition.

However, what a failure to actually address the issues that so many are upset about.

It's unfortunate, this was such a fantastic trilogy, I bought my Xbox because this game was console exclusive in the beginning, I enjoyed the good and the bad of the first two games and was looking forward to an epic conclusion to our saga. But what you accomplished was to push me away from the trilogy altogether, I had plans to play all three games in sequence and try out even more different results out of my many playthroughs, yet now I simply won't launch ME3 again after having finished it.

A shame really, been a great BioWare fan since Shattered Steel and Baldur's Gate, bought every game your company launched with the exception of Sonic but the clear disconnect to your core consumers and the lack of understanding that trust is the cornerstone of any relationship (be it business, professional or otherwise) has just lost you a strong supporter and key consumer.

It is much harder to gain a new customer than it is to keep an existing one, it would be awesome to do a Lifetime Customer Value calculation to just show your loss but alas not worth the time. With such a strong and loyal fanbase you should be doing your very best to continue strengthening this relationship and not alienating them. Good luck with your new customers I hope they have a great time with your future games, as you have pushed me out of your consumer group.

Cheers.

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MageTarot wrote...

Very disappointed with Mr. Hudson's comment. But hey - sounds like he has a future in politics!


Not even a politican would try to bronze this turd and call it gold the way bioware has over the last couple of days. The poltical fallout from that would be enough to reflect back upon his entire party. This is by and large some of the worst public relations work I have seen in a decade.

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Sevorast wrote...

To me he basically said 'The big names liked the game, some players didn't, whatevs'

Then he said 'We gonna make some dlc so get your wallets ready'

My apathy was starting to sink in before I saw this, was ready to just move on and forget about Mass Effect, BioWare, and EA as a whole, but now I'm just angry again.


I like how he name drops Penny Arcade like they mean something. Especially after they attacked 90% of ME fans.

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"So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and
storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of
your actions"

Yet again another blatant lie from Bioware, Stop feeding us this ****, we already know it's complete bullcrap

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I srsly dont feel myself as ''one of the passionest'' fans of ME3...I m a casual ME Gamer who enjoys scifi and a good story but with all respect to this statement...i feel like this right now: ''Well, actually every player has been happy with the ME3 ending but the hardcore nerds are not.'' And from my point of view : This is just not the fact! The fact is, that the ME3 ending has some MAJOR logical gaps and flaws in it. It doesnt anweser anything, it doesnt close anything, it does nothing. If the ending would have stoped at the point where Anderson and Sheppard are together on the Citadel, it would have been a better ending as the following 5-10min.

I m dissapointed in the statement because it feels to me that the critic of the community is just the voice of the hardcore ME3 fans and in general, everybody likes the ending.

If BioWare thinks thats the right way to go, be me guest. I will still love ME, every game, is like a good book but for now, I cant think of playing ME1-ME3 in the next year regardless of DLC because i dont see how my paragon-playstile makes any sence if everything goes down the river anyways.

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Mr. Gogeta34

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So what Casey is really saying is.... "Continue bashing.."Image IPB