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All died because repeaters exploded. The meaning of time to save? IN Russia depresnyak started because the ending. In general, I would like to remove . Desire to play and replay there. What's the point? If you are still dying under the rubble, and sigh a lot of questions. Where are the answers? Disappointed.

In general idiocy.

Shep then run, and two faithful companion through the whole of London.
Get to the channel, there are satellites (for some reason) throw it, and then he runs to the soldiers of the alliance channel.
There he break through beam Harbi
Satellites calmly: Shep is dead? It seems ... Joker pulled us out of here.
Joker: Oka

In short Bioware not allow us to love the universe Mass Effect, quietly and calmly. They want our love to her in great pain bent ...

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Ok, kind of see the (no spoilers allowed) in the heading, but seems like reading this thread that has totally been ignored, and frankly so it should be, as how can people really discuss this topic without talking about what happened. Would think most people posting have played and hence why posting here.

That said. Here is my issues with the ending. I don't much mind what happened to Shepard, its a valourous act, and in keeping with the man/woman that shepard has always been. I like that its ground breaking in a game, and while its been done in book and film I don't recall it ever happening in a computer game. A shocking or sad end is not always a bad end, but it needs to be done right, and this just wasn't. There is no closure to it. Cut scene of Shepard's loved ones and crewmates sharing a drink and remembering his deeds. Something done in his/her honour etc. Something that showed something other than nothing with no idea of what happened to others involved largely. This is ok I guess, as people "could imagine it", but its not ideal to end something this way.

Things that were badly wrong with how it ended. Like others I had squadmates on the final mission with me (EDI) that then were magically on the ship even though they had been there when the reaper beam hit me.. I mean WHAT!? How does the rest of the crew go from being on the ground talking to me to suddenly being in FTL?? What??

And I save the two most annoying things till last. Three endings that are one thing, though I call it two endings. As lets be honest one of them I can't see anyone picking really if they just made a peace treaty with the geth and quarians, and the geth are helping the quarians to quickly adjust to planet life. And the final straw was the mass relays. In the DLC "Arrival" for ME2 we learnt that a mass relay will destroy a solar system, or at least life in it, and yet all the choices we can pick will do the same for the ending? That means every planet and all life on them in any system with a mass relay is done for... thats earth, all the fleets in obit, and just about all the other races we want to save and all their home planets. I mean seriously, WHAT!!!!!!! Not to mention even if it didn't do this we just stranded all the fleets in earth orbit, impossible distances from their home worlds... Awesome we get the quarians their home worlds back and then strand them from getting there forever. WHAT!!!..

Lot to fix here in my eyes Bioware. Maybe you won't do it, and maybe you won't do it for free if you do. you should really. I should say that I loved the games overall from ME 1 to ME3... Just a horrible job on ending it sadly, and I'm utterly staggered that no-one in the beta testing stood up and went "Err, guys this ending really blows, and we need to look at it."

Oh, and PS to the guy ranting about suicide and the military. I served in the military and thats just so much RUBBISH. History is littered with men and woman that have given thier lives in combat saving or trying to save the lives of others. What do you think medals are often awarded for? Not to mention men have been ORDERED to their deaths countless times in history, often with both the ones giving the orders and those receiving them knowing not only is it going to happen, but that the other outcome will be worse if they don't.

Modifié par huntsman35, 18 mars 2012 - 12:54 .


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brgillespie wrote...

shinichi31 wrote...
What happen to aria&omega, illium, the crew members, our love interests, what's the consequences of genophage cure/sabotage, Rannoch, Palaven, Thessia and the earth itself.

Confirming that the rabid fans of Mass Effect have no imagination.


Thanks for insulting me while im just expressing my opinion on the game. :)

*edited out for spoilers*

I never really hated on the ending, i never said i hate the ending, i only mentioned that im not satisfied. 

Well i can confirm that YOU cannot accept other people who have their own opinions. 

Modifié par shinichi31, 18 mars 2012 - 12:37 .


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shinichi31 wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

shinichi31 wrote...
What happen to aria&omega, illium, the crew members, our love interests, what's the consequences of genophage cure/sabotage, Rannoch, Palaven, Thessia and the earth itself.

Confirming that the rabid fans of Mass Effect have no imagination.


Thanks for insulting me while im just expressing my opinion on the game. :)

*edited out for spoilers*

I never really hated on the ending, i never said i hate the ending, i only mentioned that im not satisfied. 

Well i can confirm that YOU cannot accept other people who have their own opinions. 


@shinichi31 don't pay attention to trolls :)

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Please see  Casey Hudson's comment on the conclusion of Mass Effect 3 here.

Please use this thread for your comments. Thanks.



:devil:


Should I interpret this red green or blue?

Or what I'm trying to say: I don't have a problem with bittersweet endings. I gladly sacrificed some of my wardens, if it befit their characters. Do not boil our critique of the ending down to that and needing more closure, when we have issues that run deeper. 

Modifié par Meruvian, 18 mars 2012 - 12:45 .


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Quote from Russian forums. I can write thousands of them here, but the sense one.

Final illogical and empty. Try all three options - no difference except the color of devastating waves. When likely choice (oh, mother honestly! As many as three versions!), It, as such, no. The whole plot was carried out to develop weapons against the Reapers, the whole of civilization to ruin for the sake of the true purpose for, as it turned out, dummy. "Let their sacrifice will not be in vain!" At the end of the game from the middle of the game memorable phrase sounds mocking. Romance mutili why? Well, at least showed that if his passion, along with Anderson and other friends in the past visions ... Honestly, it looks like replacing a screenwriter at the end of the work on the subject, and a new writer has not read the previous chapters. And sigh Shepard in space destroyed by technologies - obvious sadistic joke (by the way, this is called "good" ending! My cry!). All the pompous pride of the director, saying, I want to play and remember it for a long time talking - is, in fact, spit in eternity. Pathetic slap in the soul of the players. He did not scrub patch or supplement. And to say, it will be ... And the debate will be. Just because your ears, you are constantly red from the remembrance of evil words deliver a lot of inconvenience

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jeremy jahns pretty much sums it up:



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Forgive my english. Not so good. I admit. But i hope bioware will listen. There 3 option. First becoming repears, 2nd become synthesis, 3rd kill the reapers. I would like to have alteration on no 2nd and 3rd.

2nd option) Shepard remembered as a legend, as it is. Some epilogue/stories/short description of what happen to my crew members who survived in final assault.

3rd Option)  Shepard survived, and more than that. He recovered, married the the person he loved, and some children. And father son scene, we should have him telling those stories/flashback to his son/grandson.. perhaps something like that... As usual, 
epilogue/stories/short description of what happen to my crew members who survived in final assault must be included here.

This is what i have in my mind. Sorry my english is quite bad. and i hope all mass effect 3 fans will give their input/wish/thought the type of ending they would like to have in this tread.

TQ :wizard:

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One is not truly blind as the one who will not see.

OPEN YOUR EYES BIOWARE.



www.youtube.com/watch

Edited to add link, just because it covers it and is funny.(to me at least)

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Prior to launch i read a few interviews with Mr. Hudson. He was talking about an endings that will answer on all questions and will finish the story of a Shepard. To my disappointment that wasn't delivered. Game that was built around the choices really lacked them in the end. It all felt rather empty and pointless, leaving lots of questions unanswered adding even more plot holes on the way.

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It's the same "ME3 was a labor of love". Sounds like Bioware was an abusive husband.


But seriously. multiple endings. All crap. That is unforgivable. I got one and told myself "where did I go wrong?" went to youtube and and realized mine was one of the better ones

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I think the reason bioware chose the particular ending is because they re going to tie it in with the movie they're making with Legendary Pictures and later on in me4. This is pure speculation but it just doesn't make sense to kill off the goose that lays golden eggs if they're not planning a new set of adventures for our Shepards.

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Blc949 wrote...

I see a lot of people saying that since 99% of the game is awesome, we should shut up. If my body was 99% awesome, if the 1% failing is my heart I'm still useless and dead.


It is 90% saying the game and series is great for 99% but that the last 1% SUCKS and ruins the whole thing, totally destroys replayability, any interest in DLC, rendered any trust and goodwill in Bioware as GONE, and that they want what was repeatedly advertised and promised and what they all paid for.  What they got is nothing llike what was advertised and promised.  

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Mohamed Yaseen wrote...

 
Forgive my english. Not so good. I admit. But i hope bioware will listen. There 3 option. First becoming repears, 2nd become synthesis, 3rd kill the reapers. I would like to have alteration on no 2nd and 3rd.

2nd option) Shepard remembered as a legend, as it is. Some epilogue/stories/short description of what happen to my crew members who survived in final assault.

3rd Option)  Shepard survived, and more than that. He recovered, married the the person he loved, and some children. And father son scene, we should have him telling those stories/flashback to his son/grandson.. perhaps something like that... As usual, 
epilogue/stories/short description of what happen to my crew members who survived in final assault must be included here.

This is what i have in my mind. Sorry my english is quite bad. and i hope all mass effect 3 fans will give their input/wish/thought the type of ending they would like to have in this tread.

TQ :wizard:


Well, to be truly accurate there was ONE option with 3 different colors to get to it.  In EVERY case you get a dead Shepard and totally destroyed galaxy, total destruction of the entire Quarian fleet, Turian fleet, Krogan fleet, earth, etc.  See, a Mass Relay explosion isn't just a flash-bulb (according to the lore) it is like a mini-supernova.  It destroys/sterilizes the associated system.  Any attempt to make it otherwise in ME3's ending is a HUGE retcon.

You get one ending with slightly different empty filler depending on the color you select to get to the ONE ending.

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Are we getting a new Protag?

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I think the citadel and the catalyst can function like deus ex machina that could revive Sheperd in an alternate dimension. Liara and Edi mentioned that there could be a bubble wherein mass effect engines and their law of physics could exist in. So the possibility of an alternate universe adventure for our sheperd exists. Imagine a universe where sheperd died in Eden Prime and Saren suceeded with his plans because there was no sheperd to stop him. Then our sheperd gets catapulted in that universe.

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ME 2 had far more variety in the end of its story than this did, which is ridiculous
given that the team specifically mentioned the fact that, since ME 3
didn't have to lead into another game, they would have more room to
allow the story to go in different directions. That was apparently
abandoned. I really thought the "multiple endings" bit would give us something along the lines of Chrono Trigger--multiple points in the story that you can end the game, perhaps successfully, perhaps partially so, and perhaps not at all. With the galactic readiness schtick, I would have imagined that we could choose when to make that assault on the reapers with the forces we had assembled. Go too early, and you fail horribly, a bit later, and maybe it seems like you succeeded, only to find that you only made a dent--maybe you wipe out the reapers at Earth, but discover that you lose the other major worlds or something.

I imagined that, along with the readiness stuff, we'd see some different paths during the final "stage" where the forces you have gathered take objectives, or fail to hold their ground, come to aid you, or betray you in one place or another. Basically, I had expected a grander scale version of what we had at the end of ME 2: choices you made through the game result in things going well or poorly, possibly with some input on your part on which forces take on which tasks as well. Maybe if you assign groups poorly, or haven't won them to your cause, you lose Earth, but not the war, or Shepard dies, either having lost or won the war anyway.

Replacing the existing ending, I think, is not the way to go, but tacking on a continuation and a "real" ending would help, but would still be somewhat disappointing, if only due to the expectation generated by the comments from BioWare during development.

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Funkier_Than_Thou wrote...

I think the citadel and the catalyst can function like deus ex machina that could revive Sheperd in an alternate dimension. Liara and Edi mentioned that there could be a bubble wherein mass effect engines and their law of physics could exist in. So the possibility of an alternate universe adventure for our sheperd exists. Imagine a universe where sheperd died in Eden Prime and Saren suceeded with his plans because there was no sheperd to stop him. Then our sheperd gets catapulted in that universe.


That will render the current story useless...

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I find his statement amusing.

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we are coming, bioware http://www.youtube.c...SeEuu6pW4#t=17s

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We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending.
I still want to know why the ending keeps being called bittersweet by developers.I really would like to know what part of the ending should be considered sweet. The bitter parts I get. There were lots of them. But where's my sweet part? 

So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of your actions. You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey.

Also, I want to play the same ending that Casey played. I want to see consequences of my actions, I really do!

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Patience Patience everyone.Time is the best judge,you trusted them to bring ME3,you and myself have expressed our discontent,so,just wait.If what comes next is irrelevant,act accordingly.I'm buying the original copy this tuesday to support bioware,also it is a sign of faith and trust towards these men and women who were and are on the barrel of a gun of stress.You think doing something this big is a breeze?
Trust between fan ,supporting community and developers goes a long way.But you must also respect if you want it to be mutual.If they respect us,they'll act,until then try not to embarass yourself too much,to shorten down the apologies a simple multiple .I don't like the ending has to suffice.

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"This is not the last you will hear of commander shepard".
Basically this affermation gives us two options:

1) Pre-End Dlc: Something to be done BEFORE restarting the final mission with the attack on TIM base, something like Battle for Omega.

2) Post-End Dlc: Something do be done AFTER the supposed, actual ending.

Now option 1 is crazy for two reason: first; it is absurde, really illogical inside the story. The galaxy is ending, reapers are everywhere (literally they are everywhere on the map) and Shep decide to take a break in order the help Aria or anyone else to retake a place or destry o place or do everything else which is futile and useless at that point of the story.
Second; who will buy such a DLC knowing the ending, knowing that it will bring nothing to the story? It will be a pointless DLC of a couple of hour killing something witha gun.... Personally i wouldn't play it even if Bioware pays me to do so.... Paying for it???? Really....

Option 2 makes some sense. I'am not saying this sentence means we are getting a post-end DLC... But option 2 just makes sense while 1 is a marketing suicide in my opinion.
As some other said "I WANT TO BELIVE"

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windkayak wrote...

Patience Patience everyone.Time is the best judge,you trusted them to bring ME3,you and myself have expressed our discontent,so,just wait.If what comes next is irrelevant,act accordingly.I'm buying the original copy this tuesday to support bioware,also it is a sign of faith and trust towards these men and women who were and are on the barrel of a gun of stress.You think doing something this big is a breeze?
Trust between fan ,supporting community and developers goes a long way.But you must also respect if you want it to be mutual.If they respect us,they'll act,until then try not to embarass yourself too much,to shorten down the apologies a simple multiple .I don't like the ending has to suffice.


Patience?  Bioware screwed up, there is no second chances in this business.  Actually scratch that, they already had their second chance when they decided to do 1 day prothean DLC.

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I didn't like the endings. However, my biggest gripe is being lied to about the multiplayer affecting my game. I does affect it and I want that fixed so I can get my military strength past 50% of 7900 so I can at least see the best ending available. Being forced to play your multiplayer which just doesn't appeal to me, has soured me on buying any products form Bioware or EA in the future. I have bought all the DLC for ME2 DA2 and DAO. I wont ever buy anything from you again until this is resolved.