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[Holgergn]

At first some criticism. There is no sweet ending. All endings are very similar. Sheppard dead, races survive, game over. Bitter-sweet? All three endings are bitter because all mass relays will be destroyed and Sheppard dies. Without mass relays no intergalactical space travel. Without space travel colonies and space stations won't be able to survive, they are depending on support and resources from other planets/star systems. Then, as seen in the DLC ARRIVAL the destruction of a mass relay results in the complete destruction of a star system as well. This means, most home worlds of the space traveling races will be destroyed (Earth, Tuchanka,etc). This would finally result in the extinction of most traveling races.
Now some suggestions how I would have let the story have ended. Three endings? Good idea, because there are three possible character developments of Sheppard during the Mass Effect series: the bad Sheppard – kills Illusive Man, takes control of the reapers instead of the I.M., rules the galaxy as a dictator/military ruler (remove Sheppard from power and a lot of cleaning up – Mass Effect 4?); the neutral Sheppard – destroys the reapers, races are saved, the circle is broken, galaxy in chaos (a lot to clean up, installing new council – Mass Effect 4?); and finally the good Sheppard – Synthesis, but he would never decide alone the fate of the trillions of survivors all over the galaxy because he has not the right to do so, he would at least ask the remaining governments if they would join this kind of “evolution” and only the races that agree will be transformed (still a lot to clean up and need for a new council – Mass Effect 4?).

[madtotheskills]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

Mass Effect Universe its finished, the ending of Mass Effect 3 its the and of the entire narrative Universe,

because all of the 3 possible choose overload the Relay in the entire Galaxy, generate a series of explosion, the force of the impact destroy all, like the Alfa Relay in Arrival dlc,

all the species in the Galaxy Fleet its locked in the Sun System, Asari,Salarian,Turian,Elcor,Hanar,Quarian,Rachni not have the possibility to return in the respective HomeWorld, because the Relay its dostroyed,

its possible all of the people go on the Earth and unit create a new Community a new Concil,

after the credit, one cutscene reveals another world, on this strange planet one man and one child spech about the Commander Shepard, but this cutscene its for all the choose,

if yuo destroyed the Reaper, Shepard its live not its die, but in all of this choose the Normandy go on a strange planet, the ship damaged, but all the squad of the Commander and all of the crew of Normandy are live,

so Why ?

BioWare have take my possibility to visit Thessia whit my Female Shepard and Liara,
BioWare have take my possibility to visti the HomeWorld of Turian,Salarian,Elcor and Hanar,
BioWare have put the epilogue of Shepard and Liara in this anding, the anding of the entire Mass Effect Universe.
I not have the force to re-play Mass Effect 3,

Mass Effect trilogy not its the only history of the Commandar Shepard, its history of the entire Galaxy Cummunity,

Mass Effect 3 its the anding of all you are made of the Mass Effect Universe,

if you create a parallel story or a previus story, this have and in Mass Effect 3 ,

not exist future.

My god your english! it burns!!! However.. you are right.

And this so called answer to the community regarding the end, its like you told us : "... meh... mass effect 3 last of trilogy, u`ll see the results of me1/me2.. and we will stay quiet and listen to the fanbase " . Flashnews : nope u re not listening! Not properly anyways...  since 90% of fans want  more from a "season finaly". Yes we are sad that sheppard dies(or does he now?), and he makes the ultimate sacrifice but... we are even sadder that we have like 50+ questions unanswered after the ending(s).

Questions like :
Did those mass relays killed everyone ? like most of ppl say about the DLC alpha relay?
Where is the fleet that fought the reapers @ Earth? Are they stuck in sun system?
What happend to the rest of the crew? Why only 3 left on normandy? How did some chars teleport to normandy and others not? What really happened to sheppard, is he under the pile of rocks dead? or still w8ing for a rescue?
Was that an indoctrination, since " see what they cand do ( you shoot anderson )" ? Who was actualy controling the reapers!? How did they knew to make the figgure of that little boy as TIM? Why that boy?  Why the dreams... AND SO ON FOR LIKE 2 Hours if u want.. but ill be going off topic.

[jtrook]

I use to respect the guy but he has talked in circles and is better then me at extending nothing. So much for straight answers.

[Black-hawke-5]

 Bioware, you have made an outstanding series, my favorite series but when i realised that ALL the decisions i made throughout the franchise did nothing to shape the ending of shepards journey i lost my respect for you as a company and individuals. you have became exactly what you are not, a company that only cares about the money not the people involved, the story or the characters, not even the world you have created that is so believable so life-like. 

Yes it is unfair to say that the ending of mass effect 3 ruins the series as a whole, but what the ending does do is ruin any replay value the series has as well as destroying the connection the people have towards shepard and his crew members. The ending strips away the players freedom to make the decisions they want to make, and the ability to shift the story the way the player wants.

Bioware, you have also broken promises to the fans about shaping the story they want and the questions you said you would answer like the true purpose of the keepers etc. On the offical mass effect site it says " experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome." WTF what decisions shaped the ending, i will tell you, at the end, the 1 decision that shaped the outcome was the decision between a red, green, or blue explosion/laser thing in the final cinematic.

The endings need to be fixed, never have i felt so depressed over an ending i finished the game three days ago and i am still thinking it over and i am still depressed (i didn't even think that was possible for a game to do that). PPLLEEAASSEE bioware change the ending, give us the chance to shape the ending to our liking, give us the 16 different endings you promised and not that tweak the colours s**t. If you want to keep your fans, the fans who throw their money at you, the fans who play your games over and over for well over 100 hours, the fans who deserve better from you. Don't listen to these big reviewing companys, they get the game free they could not care less if it is good or bad but the fans are the ones who pay for these wonderful works of art, the fans are the ones with the input that counts.

if you want an example of how me and many others feel about the ending, play either the leaving earth or an end once and for all soundtrack in your head, picture millions of your fans turning away shaking their heads in disappointment and they are all putting their wallets back in their pockets. 

 bioware if you have any respect for your fans you will change the ending, you will make our decisions matter and you will come forward and tell us what you are planning to do before more fans turn their backs on you. It is not to late to turn this situation around, in the eyes of many you are one of the few companys left that cares about the fans more than the money and takes their input and builds on it. Here is the input now build on it, do the right thing by the fans not only for them but for yourdelves. 
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[HappyBuddha99]

Please just make the current ending an indoctrination sequence.... then give us a solid epilogue... and sandbox mode after that. That would be awesome.

[scolack]

will they outright change the ending? i do not think so. BUT i do believe they will patch it with an epilogue, maybe some pre-ending DLC that better explains whats coming up, maybe more cut scenes of the final battle. other than that i don't think they'll do much with the ending

[huntsman35]

madtotheskills wrote...



Questions like :
Did those mass relays killed everyone ? like most of ppl say about the DLC alpha relay?
Where is the fleet that fought the reapers @ Earth? Are they stuck in sun system?
What happend to the rest of the crew? Why only 3 left on normandy? How did some chars teleport to normandy and others not? What really happened to sheppard, is he under the pile of rocks dead? or still w8ing for a rescue?
Was that an indoctrination, since " see what they cand do ( you shoot anderson )" ? Who was actualy controling the reapers!? How did they knew to make the figgure of that little boy as TIM? Why that boy?  Why the dreams... AND SO ON FOR LIKE 2 Hours if u want.. but ill be going off topic.

Yes, unless Bioware want to reinvent what they said in the Arrival DLC for ME2 then basically there is no "sweet" part to the end of this story, only biitter. This is because every single system with a mass relay in has just been destroyed. That means sol system is gone.. so everyone on earth, all the fleets in orbit, everyone still alive on citidel (if anyone was) is dead from the mass relay exposion. And thats just the sol system. Now compound that to include the fact the Krogan homeworld, taurian and so on homeworlds also have mass relays and those are all dead now too, so basically all the effort you went to in teh game saving the people ont hose planets was for utterly nothing, as they are all dead from a mass relay explosion.. bravo bioware for forgetting your own science you introduced in Arrival.

Said several times this has been my biggest issue with the ending that the destruction of the mass relays will kill every system with a relay including everyone you just spent three games trying to save. Only people to live will be in systems with no mass relay.

[Mycrus Ironfist]

taken word for word from the PR spindoctor's handbook...

i know...

i am one in RL...

[Demon Velsper]

Casey, don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Mr. Hudson.
I loved Mass Effect 3 up until that final point. I just don't understand why someone would end their trilogy like that. The reason people are so angry is because you guys went about making a universe in which people care. Gripping characters, good writing, and amazing places. I'm disappointed the game ended like this. I sincerely hope Bioware decides to change the ending. To make choices matter, and to allow us to find the origins, and the reason behind the reapers. I hope we hear an official response about the idea of an ending DLC soon. Thank you.

[panathatub]

Overall MF3 it's a great, great game. But the ending needed more work. Its' a pitty really. Star Wars and Lord of the Rings have perfect thoughtful endings. MF3 is  a great game and the MF franchise in general needed a great closure, more answers more sentiment. The fans needed it, what about the people of the studio? The quest system is also a bit on the primitive side.

This great review says it all really (if i'm violating any rules erase it):

http://angryjoeshow....angry-review-2/

Despite the complains thanks for the ride Bioware. If you people tried a bit more you could have made the perfect game!

[neilthecellist]

...ME, not MF...

[Blackmind1]

Mycrus Ironfist wrote...

taken word for word from the PR spindoctor's handbook...

i know...

i am one in RL...

You don't write like one. I hope whoever's hiring you made sure you passed English before they put you on Press Release work.

[Gosia]

Thank you for listening but now I’m really confused. What does it mean that it is not the end of Shepard???? (although I’d love to see her in action again), well my Shepard died in the end of ME 3. I lovedentire series, spent countless hours developing my Shepard through all ME parts and… I was very disappointed by ME 3 ending, as were many people. Don’t get me wrong here, the game itself was brilliant, and emotional load fantastic and intense but so sad at the same time. I for instance was struggling throughout entire series to keep everyone alive only to see many of them die in ME 3, it was depressing but that’s war. So my point is, that after so many tragic, sad, daunting moments I would like to see a good old-fashioned happy ending with me, my LI and team alive, Earth and other worlds rebuilding and so on. I got used to such endings by playing ME 2 and ME 1: we beat bad guys and are victorious. Honestly when somebody is willing to end series of games you don’t have to kill the main character, retirement is also an option. And no I’m not a crybaby, too old for that I guess, it’s just the convention of this series that got me used to that.
Sorry for any mistakes I’ve made, English is not my mother-tongue.

[Autolychus]

Look, even if you can't/won't change the ending--could you at least tell us what you think it all meant?

I mean, this child figure appears three times--at the beginning (as a real child), in Shepard's dreams (as a flammable child), and at the end (as Starchild). How are these related? Was Starchild just a projection of Shepard's own mind?

What exactly is Starchild -- some ancient organic life I guess? If so why does he look like a shimmery VI, with no body? And why when he speaks can you hear multiple voices, is it several individuals?

Did the Citadel always have these three mechanical options, just sitting there? I mean, if the Crucible "opened up new possibilities" is that when the control mechanism, the destruction tube, and the Synthesis beam were created? Who created them? Starchild? The Reapers? TIM?

What exactly happened to TIM? I guess he was made partly synthetic? I mean, his eyes always kind of gave that away. But the synthetics look a lot like what happens to Joker with the Synthesis ending. Was TIM just an early prototype of the Synthesis conclusion? Could you just explain that a bit more?

I think perhaps a lot of the controversy would die down if the writers just told us what they were thinking--just elaborate a bit more as to what you had in mind for the ending.

Modifié par Autolychus, 18 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[Chakuura]

I'm really hoping for an addition to the endings we currently have. I have loved ME since the beginning, and loved it throughout ME3, but the endings are just confusing, seem out of place and seem to destroy the entire ME universe. Everyone is pretty much screwed with the way the endings played out. I particularly don't like that we were told time and time again that there would be varied endings, and we really only got one.

[HowlingSiren]

Casey,

Thanks for speaking up and thanks for making the most unforgettable trilogy in gaming. All in all, your team did an amazing job in ME3. Playing through it, I was very conscious of how much you listened to fans and integrated our feedback in the experience. I will reiterate that ME3 was close to flawless in my eyes, apart from the ending.

In my first playthrough, I was gutted by the ending and left feeling horribly confused and yes, very disappointed. So I rushed to the forums to try and make sense of it and bought into the whole indoctrination theory. After a week (note I restarted both ME1 and ME2 the minute I finished it - not the case with ME3), I thought I'd try a second playthrough. But I'm sorry to say that ending hangs like a shadow over the experience, and I'll stop at two playthroughs.

To me, one of the elements of the game you overlooked with the ending are the bonds between Shepard and his LI and squad. We've come to care about these characters and we are left blind as to their fate. I rushed the beam with Kaidan (LI) and Liara - major character I did 80% of the missions with. I have no idea whether Liara made it - only Joker, Kaidan and Garrus made it out of the Normandy. That's like ending the Lord of the Rings by only finding out what happens to Frodo and Sam (they end up separated, never to meet again) and leaving readers wondering about the fate of the rest of the Fellowship.

You did a great job by making the full game bittersweet. There are no easy victories, no easy choices. We experience great loss either directly through the death of squaddies and the nature of the missions we undertake, or indirectly through the conversations we overhear and the interactions with random NPCs. I felt a great weight of responsibility for my decisions, but I would have loved an ending à la DA:O, with variety, catharsis and closure.

The ending is not polarizing. When over 90% of over 50'000 people vote for a new ending, it's a consensus.

I understand your teams are already probably committed to developing the planned pre-ending and MP DLC, but I am still hoping you will address this issue. It won't go away - even if we become less vocal over time, the ultimate feeling of disappointment will remain.

Thank you.

[Esquin]

Chakuura wrote...

I'm really hoping for an addition to the endings we currently have. I have loved ME since the beginning, and loved it throughout ME3, but the endings are just confusing, seem out of place and seem to destroy the entire ME universe. Everyone is pretty much screwed with the way the endings played out. I particularly don't like that we were told time and time again that there would be varied endings, and we really only got one.

Pretty much this.

I'm ok with an overly sad ending. So long as I know what happened.

Why even give us an ending decision if you're not going to show us the consequences of the most important choice of the entire series. Our ending decision is the single most important decision of the entire series. No question about it. But we don't get to see what happens as a result of it. And that isn't just poor writing. It's down right insulting. 

For a series that has always claimed to give us choice and tell us we created the universe we're playing in to then tell us our final chocie is pointless. Well thats just wrong.

[Farbautisonn]

Mycrus Ironfist wrote...

taken word for word from the PR spindoctor's handbook...

i know...

i am one in RL...

-Used to be one. Now private sector.

Its so pathetically transparent that any first year student of marketing/rhetoric should be able to see right through it. Hell, it so unoriginal that it could have been taught in a weekend class for business execs... and prolly was.

[dudeimalive]

I really loved playing this game. All the missions got a little more intense as you progressed towards the ending. The were a few moments that made me think of ME1. I am just a little curious if by chance if shepard had any offspring resulting from his romance options. Would the offspring have the ability to mess around with prothean artifacts as well? I wasn't really disappointed with the endings because I kept hearing ME3 would rap up Shepards story. Im really interested in whats the main focus of the next ME. yeah ive noticed every other person saying basically everything was destroyed but I dont think thats really the case. Also I noticed other people mentioning different people making it out of the normandy towards the end, well different than my version...wonder how that works exactly.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

never come new Mass Effect title, because all system in the Galaxy its destroyed for the Relay,
all the choose produce the overload in the Relay, you remember Arrival dlc of ME2 ?

the explosion of one Relay its unimaginable, this produce one incredible reaction,
first the explosion of the Relay, second the planet in this system, third the star, the explosion of this star transmits the energy in another system, its the devastation, its the and of all spcies for all life, come on seriously its possible survivor any species for continued the Mass Effect Universe ?
for me not
and not its possbile made a parallel story, because ME3 its the and of Mass Effect Unvierse, not its also the possbile and of Commander Shepard.
BioWare have close the Mass Effect Universe whit this chepter.

[Raseri]

Fawx9 wrote...

That was an amazingly large amount of words that deflected the issue entirely and touched on basically nothing.

He could have simply said "We're listening" and be done with it.

Exactly this.  He gave a politician's speech with tons of double-speak that said actually nothing.  The running polls say 80-85% of fans *AND* reviewers hate the ending (one ending, 3 colors, all the same) and yet he talks about the 3 people who tweeted that they liked it, and the reviews done before the reviewer finished the game.  Phhht.

[ElrondDragon]

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series.

I am extremely proud of what this team has accomplished, from the first art concepts for the Mass Effect universe to the final moments of Mass Effect 3. But we didn't do it on our own. Over the course of the series, Mass Effect has been a shared experience between the development team and our fans—not just a shared experience in playing the games, but in designing and developing them. An outpouring of love for Garrus and Tali led to their inclusion as love interests in Mass Effect 2. A request for deeper RPG systems led to key design changes in Mass Effect 3. Your feedback has always mattered. Mass Effect is a collaboration between developers and players, and we continue to listen.

So where do we go from here? Throughout the next year, we will support Mass Effect 3 by working on new content. And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.

We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work together to shape the remaining experiences in the story of the Mass Effect trilogy.

Thanks for taking this journey with us.

Casey Hudson"




I am still hopping...
Hold the line!

Modifié par ElrondDragon, 18 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[Jobasha]

Reminder for the future: have your lead writer create an actual main plotline before writing the subplots of a plot-driven RPG.

However, I realize Mr. Hudson is in an impossible situation, I wouldn't be too hard on him: EA forced the game to be rushed before the end of the fiscal year, his lead writer couldn't come up with a decent main plotline, and he is not even at liberty to vent his frustration for that!

Plus, he has to take flak from the community for being forced to release ambiguous statements.

Bad situation, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.