DarkHan wrote...
Терпи и переводи... Уже от Русских комент...
Хватит болтать языком попусту.. будьте мужиками... скажите прямо... что вскоре менять или нет?? Что за тупая отписка??? Дайте АДЕКВАТНЫЙ ОТВЕТ!
maybe write in english?
DarkHan wrote...
Терпи и переводи... Уже от Русских комент...
Хватит болтать языком попусту.. будьте мужиками... скажите прямо... что вскоре менять или нет?? Что за тупая отписка??? Дайте АДЕКВАТНЫЙ ОТВЕТ!
Modifié par thedosbox, 18 mars 2012 - 05:18 .
I think panathatub meant exactly what he wrote:whistle:neilthecellist wrote...
...ME, not MF...
Modifié par XTR3M3, 19 mars 2012 - 04:13 .
Smiley556 wrote...
I will vote with my wallet if it comes round to it, but I would like to avoid that situation by making my voice be heard. Every day companies screw over their consumers, because consumers dont let their dissatisfaction be heard. No I'm aware not everybody has the same opinion as me, but I'm letting mine be heard, and so are many others. And thats exactly what every consumer in every industry should do. I agree insulting devs and such is bad and that disgusts me too, but that shouldnt take away the bigger picture that these consumers are unsatisfied, and are being vocal about it. The idea that everybody who isnt vocal about their dissatisfaction agrees with the product is just wrong. I'm not saying everybody is unsatisfied, but saying the oposite, that everybody who doesnt open their mouth is happy about the product, is equally wrong.
We are letting our dissatisfaction about the product that is Mass Effect 3 be heard. And dismissing our opinion on the premise of art is unsulting to us as consumers. If I do turn out to be a minority, and/or Bioware doesnt head our opinion then atleast we had our opinion heard. Sadly that will mean I have to indeed vote with my wallet in the future.
asdoorip wrote...
Missing the point, as usual.
Most of us find ME3, overall, fantastic: Endings are the problem for 95% based on most polls.
It's not that we "don't like" the endings. Forget about that, just remove than from your minds.
Endings make no sense, they lack consistency and coherence. It's not that they aren't what we were "promised", they didn't even get close. Not because we were expecting them to were just brighter, or better, or something like that (some of us did expect that, but that's not the point really). We expected our choices after five years to matter, we expected different outcomes and we expected closure.
So yes, we do have the right to complain , push, and pressure ALWAYS staying polite.
Most of us stayed polite, most of us have always been polite. We're still being polite.
Can we complain? Of course.
Can they fix it? Absolutely.
Can they just ignore us? Probably yes.
But as most of us state : Every action have its consequences, they're not forced to give us what we want, we're free to close our wallets and go away. And that my friend, trust me, isn't good for them.
Have a pleasant day.
Hold the line.
Modifié par Gosia, 18 mars 2012 - 05:31 .
DCoacci wrote...
Smiley556 wrote...
I will vote with my wallet if it comes round to it, but I would like to avoid that situation by making my voice be heard. Every day companies screw over their consumers, because consumers dont let their dissatisfaction be heard. No I'm aware not everybody has the same opinion as me, but I'm letting mine be heard, and so are many others. And thats exactly what every consumer in every industry should do. I agree insulting devs and such is bad and that disgusts me too, but that shouldnt take away the bigger picture that these consumers are unsatisfied, and are being vocal about it. The idea that everybody who isnt vocal about their dissatisfaction agrees with the product is just wrong. I'm not saying everybody is unsatisfied, but saying the oposite, that everybody who doesnt open their mouth is happy about the product, is equally wrong.
We are letting our dissatisfaction about the product that is Mass Effect 3 be heard. And dismissing our opinion on the premise of art is unsulting to us as consumers. If I do turn out to be a minority, and/or Bioware doesnt head our opinion then atleast we had our opinion heard. Sadly that will mean I have to indeed vote with my wallet in the future.
and...asdoorip wrote...
Missing the point, as usual.
Most of us find ME3, overall, fantastic: Endings are the problem for 95% based on most polls.
It's not that we "don't like" the endings. Forget about that, just remove than from your minds.
Endings make no sense, they lack consistency and coherence. It's not that they aren't what we were "promised", they didn't even get close. Not because we were expecting them to were just brighter, or better, or something like that (some of us did expect that, but that's not the point really). We expected our choices after five years to matter, we expected different outcomes and we expected closure.
So yes, we do have the right to complain , push, and pressure ALWAYS staying polite.
Most of us stayed polite, most of us have always been polite. We're still being polite.
Can we complain? Of course.
Can they fix it? Absolutely.
Can they just ignore us? Probably yes.
But as most of us state : Every action have its consequences, they're not forced to give us what we want, we're free to close our wallets and go away. And that my friend, trust me, isn't good for them.
Have a pleasant day.
Hold the line.
Sorry, I missed your replies.
I won’t deny the ending had problems, but I still liked it. I think it was a good ending. Shaky, but good. I wouldn’t mind seeing some improvements that shed some light on some key scenes, but I don’t want them to change it in the way the community is suggesting.
I don’t wanna get into a debate, but I believe the choices did matter. Not in the way people were expecting, but they did, if you give it enough thought. Maybe it requires a bit too much thought. I feel that’s the main issue here.
That said, I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and if they feel the need to voice their opinion, they should freely do so. But to go as far as demand a change? I can’t agree with that. It may just be because I’m an amateur artist myself, and would feel totally insulted if I spent countless hours on something, only to have it thrown back in my face and demanded it be changed.
Now, it's already been said that professional artists are asked to change their work all the time. And that’s true. I work as a web designer, and our clients often request changes, but that’s a totally different thing. I won’t go into detail, but a one-on-one exchange with a client can’t be compared with a mass market product released to a worldwide audience. Especially since the dissatisfaction felt by the customers isn’t about function. It’s entirely subjective. Look around the web, read articles, comments by people, and you’ll see opinions are pretty much split 50/50 on the matter, and for varying reasons no less. Polls may say otherwise, but considering that online polls can be voted on more than once, that’s not an accurate assessment. And I agree that just because some aren’t saying anything, that doesn’t mean they are happy. But you have to agree it doesn’t mean they aren’t either. There are many more factors here than just people on these forums and the polls.
Really, what I’m saying is all this hubub is just plain silly. Critique the ending if you want. Tell Bioware you’re not happy, but don’t demand stuff from them. They care about where their money and their time goes just as much as you do. And they’ve tried to make it plainly obvious in the past few days that they care about your time and money as well, yet everyone dismisses it as spin. They just can’t win. Everyone is posting “hold the line” all over the place because it gives them a sense of... what? Solidarity? About a video game ending? Really? Aren’t there better things to protest about? My hometown right now has students marching in the streets every other week, blocking off highways, and fighting off riot police over a college tuition hike planned by the government, and this is how you guys spend your energy? The Child’s Play thing was cool in theory, and I’m glad some kids are getting something positive out of all this, but in actuality people only donated because they wanted something for themselves, not because they wanted to help these children. I’m sorry, but that just feels wrong to me.
It’s all just so ridiculous.
Modifié par Getorex, 18 mars 2012 - 05:32 .
Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 mars 2012 - 05:35 .
Modifié par Moriloke, 18 mars 2012 - 06:16 .
Kailord wrote...
Long talk, nothing in it what has not been already said.
Take DA:O as an example. You could have your bittersweet ending, but you also could have a triumphant ending, it was your choice as the player. I played it very bittersweet, but it was my choice.
ME3 should really admit they could do better. That would not be a catastrophe because I think everybody has to admit that this game is fantastic in almost every other aspect. Man, I watch youtube vids all the time with all alternative options on romances, friendships and whatnot. It is amazing. The end really does not fit to this.
Modifié par Getorex, 18 mars 2012 - 05:51 .
Modifié par MindKiLLeR007, 18 mars 2012 - 06:15 .
catelee2u wrote...
Babe Mause wrote...
We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending.
I still want to know why the ending keeps being called bittersweet by developers.I really would like to know what part of the ending should be considered sweet. The bitter parts I get. There were lots of them. But where's my sweet part?
This is how I see it. It's bitter because of the sacrifice that has to be made but the sweetness comes in seeing the future of the people on the planet after and the fact that they are going to continue and survive and although things aren't perfect there is hope and there are no more reapers to mess up another cycle (either through abscence or control) so we are all free to live the next cycle without any threat whatsoever so all the hard work has been worth it.
Although I am satisfied and happy with the end as it stands currently I am a fan of indoctrination theory and think that would satisfy a lot of people. I don't know if that would tie in with any current plans or developments that Bioware/EA have though and whether it would fit with any DLC's or ME4 planned.
The more I think about it the more beautiful the current ending seems and I wish more people could see it the way I do but I respect that everyone has their own opinions and way of seeing things.
Modifié par hchadw, 18 mars 2012 - 06:10 .
Modifié par Nragedreaper, 18 mars 2012 - 06:47 .
aries1001 wrote...
Why can't an ending be open? Why can't an ending to a game be not happy, but bittersweet - in all of its endings? I have read nearly every thread here and people seem to complain about the endings not being happy enough and the endings not given them closure? Some say the ending does not make any sense...but they do, to me, if you feel and listen to the music. And view it from a certain Faded perspective...
Modifié par ile_1979, 18 mars 2012 - 07:25 .