DCoacci wrote...
Sorry, I missed your replies.
You said a bunch of stuff here. Most of it is below.
It's Sunday and I've got some time so I thought I would refute your post point by point.
I won’t deny the ending had problems, but I still liked it. I think it
was a good ending. Shaky, but good. That's fine. Everyone's opinion is valid.
I wouldn’t mind seeing some
improvements that shed some light on some key scenes, but I don’t want
them to change it in the way the community is suggesting. IF Bioware makes a alternate ending pack,
You are NOT required to purchase it. You can continue to enjoy the ending you got. No problems there.
I don’t wanna get into a debate, but I believe the choices did matter.
Firstly, yes you did want to get into a debate, or you wouldn't have come onto these forums and expressed an opinion. You would have just kept thinking what you thought.
Secondly the choices do not matter. The are essentially all the same and they invalidate all previous choices in the series. These are two separate issues.
The choices, while having some variety in execution all bring about the same three results. Reapers are removed. Mass relays are destroyed. Shepard is killed. The only thing that is different is HOW these results are achieved.
Furthermore this invalidates previous choices because, really what does it matter if I agonized over whether to save the Krogan. I went back and forth for thirty minutes on whether or not I could really trust Wrex to keep his people in check in the galactic community. With the galactic community GONE, it doesn't matter if ****ing Wreav is in charge and planning a bloody war since the Krogan are stuck on their radioactive rock. The same goes for the Rachni, the Geth/Quarian conflict and how I treated the council.
In other words it cheapens the game experience.
Not in the way people were expecting, but they did, if you give it
enough thought. Maybe it requires a bit too much thought. I feel that’s the main issue here.
50,000 people didn't come onto this site and say, we don't understand the endings. They screamed we understand these endings and we hate them. Please, please don't be the guy who thinks that the rest of us 'just don't get it'. We do. We get it. We hate it. But we get it.
That said, I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and if
they feel the need to voice their opinion, they should freely do so. But
to go as far as demand a change? I can’t agree with that. I'm glad we agree on whether or not people are entitled to their opinions. As for demanding a change, well to me, we're not so much demanded a change as demanding the product we were supposed to get. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to get what you PAID MONEY for.
It may just
be because I’m an amateur artist myself, and would feel totally insulted
if I spent countless hours on something, only to have it thrown back in
my face and demanded it be changed.As an amatuer artist do you do commissions? If I asked you for a piece of art, to be done a specific way and we agreed on the outcome and agreed on a price, do you still think you have the right to change it. I mean if you were insulted that's unfortunate, but we already GAVE THEM OUR MONEY. It's not like we can just not buy it now. You took the money, your right to be insulted is secondary to your obligation to honor our contract.
Now, it's already been said that professional artists are asked
to change their work all the time. And that’s true. I work as a web
designer, and our clients often request changes, but that’s a totally different thing.
I won’t go into detail, but a one-on-one exchange with a client can’t
be compared with a mass market product released to a worldwide audience.
Especially since the dissatisfaction felt by the customers isn’t about
function. It’s entirely subjective.
IMO, it is still comparable for an unsatified customer to demand a product fulfill the it's basic requirements. What do I mean? ME 3 SHOULD at the very least honor the promises made by Casey Hudson and other members of the staff, made as little as a month before release.
Look around the web, read articles, comments by people, and you’ll see
opinions are pretty much split 50/50 on the matter, and for varying
reasons no less. I guess we will have to agree to disagree, because I understand the outrage to be near universal. That said, if ONLY 50% of a customer base is satisfied, that's still pretty ****ing bad.
Polls may say otherwise, but considering that online
polls can be voted on more than once, that’s not an accurate assessment.
And I agree that just because some aren’t saying anything, that doesn’t
mean they are happy. But you have to agree it doesn’t mean they aren’t
either. There are many more factors here than just people on these
forums and the polls.
Very true, polls are not perfect. However it is actually MORE likely that the polls are manipulated by the pro ending crowd.
Current pole on BSN reads something like 50,000 anti ending, 1,000 completely pro ending.
Like you said 'polls say otherwise' which correctly reports that most polls are reading as anti-ending. Assuming that it is really evenly split, if we take our sample size down to 10 vs 10, then 10 people against the endings would have to vote 5,000 times to create that sort of disarity, whereas 10 people for the endings would have to only vote 100 times to create create the current result.
Since ease of a given action indicates likelyness of that action to occur, it if far more probably that if the polls are wrong, then they are actually EVEN MORE anti ending than they are now.
Don't get me wrong, this proves nothing. We MUST take the polls as they are, and we can't make wild guess (like mine) to prove anthing. The poll itself proves nothing. IT DOES however indicate that a that a large number of people hate the endings and came to BSN to vote on this.
One number that cannot be discounted is the Child's play drive, but more on that later.
One more thing about a poll.
I wasn't completely satisfied with the DE:HR endings. (I don't like being strongly advised that indiscriminate murder of innocent people is somehow the 'best' choice) and I hated how MW3 ended (actually hated the whole campaign, lol) but I didn't come online and **** about it. I didn't vote in a poll. I certainly didn't give to charity.
The fact that these things have ALL happened to within two weeks of ME 3's release is incredibly significant.
And they’ve tried to make it plainly obvious in the
past few days that they care about your time and money as well,
yet everyone dismisses it as spin. I simpathize with Bioware, I hate being told my best isn't good enough. (Which is one of the reasons I hate the endings, btw.) but really at this point, they need to man up. It's pretty clear what will make this issue die. Bioware can say definatively that either they will change the endings or that they will not.
They are afraid to do so because of backlash and the risk of driving away more fans. The fact that Casey Hudson's page long post doesn't do this, but still alludes to using feedback to create more DLC is ludicrus. He basically uses an entire page to say nothing.
His PR team, however, particularly the Moderators, Jessica M and Jarrett Lee should be credited as dealing with our bull**** for the past two weeks. However that is their job, Bioware should be the ones giving them bonuses, not us.
My hometown right now has students
marching in the streets every other week, blocking off highways, and
fighting off riot police over a college tuition hike planned by the
government, and this is how you guys spend your energy?Your concern for my energy is noted, however it is not your decision on how I spend it. Maybe the rest of my life is great and I just need this fixed to be perfect. Maybe my life is a trainwreck and ME was the one shining thing I could do right. Either way I get to decide just how important this is to me.
And honestly I was disapointed in the ending, but I'm only angry because I was lied to. That isn't something I take well.
The Child’s Play thing was cool in theory,
and I’m glad some kids are getting something positive out of all this,
but in actuality people only donated because they wanted something for themselves, not because they wanted to help these children. I’m sorry, but that just feels wrong to me.So glad you think it was cool. Do you think those sick kids are really going to give a **** that the reason they got a nice toy is because I didn't like a video game. Does it make me a bad person because I gave my money freely to a good cause while still drawing attention to another cause that I think is important?
Do charity auctions make you queasy because you get to keep what you bid on? Do charity dinners for kid's with cancer give you a bad feeling cause you got a meal? Do 50/50 raffles to benefit sports teams/scholastic clubs or youth groups fill you with dread because you get to keep half the money?
But luckily you don't have to donate and live with that 'wrong' feeling, right?
Enjoy your guilt free day.
Post Script.
It’s all just so ridiculous. So is Santa Claus, but he makes people happy.
Modifié par Oldbones2, 18 mars 2012 - 07:08 .
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