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[Kushan101]

I'll admit, I didn't realise they only had two years to make the game - thats EA's fault, without a doubt - and they should be damn proud of what they managed in that time. The game was amazing, up until the ending. The enviroments, the combat, the relationships - all of it was seamless.

The ending was atrocious, there was no choice, it WAS the "A, B or C" ending that Mr. Hudson said would definitely not happen. But I'm holding out that you guys are gonna do a DLC that does nothing more than give us the fully fleshed out ending we've all been waiting for - you said 1 year of extra content being released? Don't care if it comes out in December, I'll be there waiting for it.

[Biggtuna]

What is going on with this baffling end to such a good series? Even the indoctrination theory has some holes, so I don't know what happened, other than unusually bad work on the ending.

Modifié par Biggtuna, 19 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[LinksOcarina]

Arcian wrote...

Before I finished ME3, I would have taken a bullet for Casey.

Not anymore. This crappy response just shows he doesn't give a sh!t about the fans. No one at BioWare does - they just spin lies and crush dreams while filling their bank accounts.

I can only imagine your response if they retcon the ending and give it to you for free.

Really sticking to your guns, I bet.

[dkohalloran]

This says nothing and just backs up my decision to avoid Bioware from now on. Casey Hudson is annoying and he takes pleasure in disappointing fans. As long as the critics agree, right? I would say something but I fear with the new zero tolerance update I'll be banned. Bioware and it's forums feels more like a police state.

"Here's the endings. Take them as they are. We don't care what you think. And PS, don't express your opinions about us."

Another thing that pisses me off is how the fans who are upset about the ending are willingly on their knees, ready to give Bioware MORE money for a "real" ending. Shouldn't this be enough? Can you not see that it's an obvious cash grab, JUST like Javik was?

Modifié par dkohalloran, 19 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[Eudaemonium]

It isn't really an obvious cash grab (ala Javik), because they pretty obviously never planned to release a second ending. It's not like they cut the ending short to sell us a better one later, as much as a lot of us would almost like to think, they just wrote an atrocious ending that people want changed.

[D4wson]

Kushan101 wrote...

But I'm holding out that you guys are gonna do a DLC that does nothing more than give us the fully fleshed out ending we've all been waiting for - you said 1 year of extra content being released? Don't care if it comes out in December, I'll be there waiting for it.

This. Give us a complete ending, and my faith in the Mass Effect series will be restored. And after that, if you produce another paid Shadow Broker-quality DLC pack, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it.

Modifié par D4wson, 19 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Alamandorious]

Ace Kenshader wrote...

tuzem2 wrote...
 
Can please someone from the ME3 staff explain to us the endings?
 
Yeah, there may be 16 endings. When you remove the color differences there are approximately 5-6 with minor variations - Earth gets fully destroyed, half destroyed or not destroyed- Shepard always dies unless you get 5000+ EMS where he breathers at the end under some ruble (which seem to be ion Earth as people mentioned the Citadel is not made from concrete). What does this mean=

 
The EMS is basically how much you managed to recruit the galaxy into fighting the Reapers; when you consider how much there are in the Milky Way and how ginormous Reapers are, your going to need alot of assets. From a Gamer's perspective it's what you will call the perfect ending, which you have to really be stringent on getting almost every little thing in the game in order to get it.
 

Also why in order for Shepard to live we had to supposedly kill EDI and the Geth.

 
Catylyst made the Reapers to prevent chaos; by which he meant that advanced civilizations will create very powerful synthetics that will ultimately rebel against they're creators, as it was shown heavily in those flashbacks with the Quarians and the Geth; if you want Shepard to live but still destroy the Reapers, the only way to do that is to destroy all forms of synthetic life, which unfortunately includes EDI and the Geth.
 
Is it a happy ending? Of course not; but keep in mind the best endings are usually the ones that make use think about what the morales this form of entertainment was trying to teach, not when all the good guys like and all the bad guy dies, that would be trying to dumb down a series that has one of the richest and most complex stories in the videogame industry.
 

When the Mass Relays get destroyed by the Citadel beam, doesn't this also destroy the planet systems (ME2 Arrival DLC)?

 
The one that got destroyed in Arrival was the Alpha Relay, supposedly the first Mass Relay ever constructed, and it was destroyed by hurling a big ass asteroid into it. Quite frankly this could be a case of apples and oranges, as they way both the Alpha and Mass relays get destroyed are vastly different. IMO, I think that the original makers of the MR devices -The Reapers- were waiting for someone who would bring forth the next stage of evolution "Synthesis" and so they installed a fail-safe mechanism that would make sure the resulting explosion will be very contained if the MR's were destroyed by the Citadel beam.
 
 

Why was Joker running away from Earth? Why was my team on the Normandy after it crashes when they were just with me? Why would they leave me alone to die?

 
Remember being attacked by Harbinger just before reaching the Citadel? I have two theories on that.
 
1. Shepard was the only one who entered the pit, as his teammates decided to stay behind to make sure none of the husks would come and flank Shepard, Anderson and the other humans from behind.
 
2. Shepard blacked out after Harbinger attacked, the most likely scenario is that when Anderson woke up first, he woke up Shepards teammates and told them to head back into the Normandy. Why he didn't wake up Shepard is probably because he thought Shepard got killed; when we saw him in the Citadel he quite literally looked like **** and was bleeding profusely from his abdomen so it was a miracle he was still standing.
 

Why was it important for Shepard to die to control/synthesize/destroy the Reapers? To tell us that whatever you do you are part of the cosmic joke and your actions at the end don't matter? Who created the AI kid at the end?

Shepard is part synthetic remember? At the beginning of Mass Effect 2, he was basically reconstructed by Cerberus with many synthetic parts because his body was severely damaged after re-entering the atmosphere. Catalyst clearly stated that only synthetics can control and destroy the Reapers, while a hybrid is needed to make the step forward in evolution. Sacrifice is a dirty thing to do but as the old saying goes, it’s better to kill one to save a hundred.
 

How does creating the synthetic Reapers and having them kill/harvest advanced civilizations to avoid destroying all organics better that destroying all organics? It seems rather cruel, doesn't it? "Instead of killing you immediately we are going to wait until you are able to think and feel and then we'll kill you"?!

 
Your oversimplifying the Reapers; they’re not crazed homicidal maniacs that only want domination for snythetics. Catalyst made the Reapers to be the caretakers of the universe; to prevent they’re vision of chaos from happening, which is synthetics created by advanced civilizations rebelling against the creators and killing all organics. They only destroy the civilizations that passed the threshold of being able to create artificial life, and preserve those that are basically in it’s infancy, like us 50’000 years ago. It’s like what Adolf Hitler did with the Jews, in order to preserve and save the “Aryan Race” that were german ethnics, he killed minorities relentlessly in an very twisted form of ethnic cleansing. The Reapers were doing the same thing in context, kill the advanced organics to save organics as a whole from themselves.
 

What's the aftermath for the MASS effect universe when the MASS relays are destroyed?

That’s’ what Mass Effect 4 is for, 1-3 is the Shepard trilogy.
 

What does the "breathing" ending mean´- is Shepard ultimately dead or alive? If alive, why does this only work if you decide to exterminate a whole species?

 
Synthesis requires Shepard to be practically dissolved into that Stream of light and have that radiant green light aftermath to be spread through the galaxy by those Mass Relay explosions.

I would like to point out, concerning the mass relays, that in the ME3 secondary codex you can find an entry that mentions that when a mass relay is 'ruptured', that the energy unleashed ruins all terrestrial planets in its solar system.

So...it's not just in the DLC, and it's not just because of that being an Alpha relay...the entry makes no distinction.  And it makes no distinction between different 'types' of causes for relay explosions.

[Artemis_Entrari]

I'm still waiting to see how Casey explains how most of his and the team's quotes leading up to the release contradict what we actually got, namely all the stuff about your choices throughout the three games actually having a significant effect on the ending you get.

[LinksOcarina]

Arcian wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Before I finished ME3, I would have taken a bullet for Casey.

Not anymore. This crappy response just shows he doesn't give a sh!t about the fans. No one at BioWare does - they just spin lies and crush dreams while filling their bank accounts.

I can only imagine your response if they retcon the ending and give it to you for free.

Really sticking to your guns, I bet.

I won't support or buy another BioWare game, free retconned ending or not, until Casey Hudson and Mac Walters has been fired from the company. They have shown themselves incapable of handling this IP.

Damn shame, since Hudson did such a good job with the first two games.

I'm sure their track record really reflects that.

[slimgrin]

What cracks me up the most is the, 'this won't be the last time you see Shepard' comment. Really? So you guys are going to resurrect him a second time? Does Shepard have nine lives?

[ShadetheDalish]

Both New York Times and Pen opinions were said by people who didn't play the game and they were said on the day of the games release to boot. I don't really state how we can even use those as justification anyways. Besides those quotes had nothing to do regarding the ending of the game which is what the topic is titled.

[Jaron Oberyn]

slimgrin wrote...

What cracks me up the most is the, 'this won't be the last time you see Shepard' comment. Really? So you guys are going to resurrect him a second time? Does Shepard have nine lives?

No it's going to be awesome shooting gallery DLC like Arrival that you get to experience before the critically acclaimed endings! 


-Polite

[ShadetheDalish]

I also want to know regarding the endings, why did they cut the original endings and give us these endings instead. The original endings made more sense than these, I would've accepted them over these.

[jinxter69]

"We wanted it to be memorable"...well...let me tell you something. You failed. What people will remember is how an amazing trilogy somehow screwed it up so royally in the last 10 minutes, that the only thing fans will remember is this: "Yeah, great series...but the ending sucked."

When people point out that there are 16 different endings, the fans will say, "No, you are wrong, there is only 1 ending, and it sucked!" You get to choose your the color of your ending, but the ending is the same. The galaxy is blown up! Game over!

[Darth Sicarius]

The way I interpret BioWare's response is that they are taking more of a wait it out attitude. It seems as if they are betting that their fans are fickle and the complaints and backlash will fade away. While this may or may not be the case, the fact remains that the reputation and viability of a company is at stake. As consumers we deserve the right to be satisfied with our purchases. As creators, they have a responsibility to see that we are reasonably satisfied as well. Obviously, there are thousands of fans who demand satisfaction (myself included). It is my hope that BioWare will do the right thing, not only for their fans, but for the future of their own company and do more to listen to (and reasonably appease) their fans as it relates to the matter of the game endings. After all, word of mouth and negative media are spreading and this simply can't be good for business or sales and, despite this setback, I would like to see BioWare remain relevant for years to come.

[Priisus]

First of all, with all this negativity hype surrounding the endings I do want to point out one thing - that the ME team has done a really good job. The scope of ME trilogy is an achievement in the VG industry, which is why all three games are critically acclaimed. It's years worth of planning, sweat and generally so much hard work put into it. I never really like Sci-fi, I got ME after DA;O because my friend keep on recommending me that BW is an amazing developer... and I'm hooked to the ME universe now... until the last 15 mins of ME3.

Now, for those who keep on saying that fans are unhappy because they don't get sunshine and bunnies ending with their LI or w/e... The main problem is not so much the lack of closure but so much plotholes at the end that I just goes... WTF?

I came into the third game, knowing fully well that Shepard has a high chance of dying and that if she died, she wanted to make the galaxy a better place. The Genophage, the Geth-Quarian war, Turian-Krogan conflict... you name it. And then the chance of destroying the Reapers once and for all... If she died at the end... yeah this is the state of the galaxy she left... and that's totally fine. Shepard does not have to live, retire happily and all but her legacy will remain forever. If this is what you planned and meant by bittersweet, it's understandable.

But what bugged me is the logic of why the Reapers exist (there's a MEME going around with it, I'm sure you know which one I meant). And the whole catalyst avatar thing doesn't make sense at all...

And what makes you think the ending is right... Trying to keep it vague to avoid spoilers. If you choose Blue = TIM, Green = Saren, sorry I killed you two, we would've been buddies! And Red... why create EDI and making the Geth "human" only to have... *can't comprehend*

And in the end they're just three different colors of the same cutscene... Basically just ****** poor execution...

All these efforts... what.. 8 years of development... 5 years of players' journey. Do you really want Mass Effect to end like this? The trilogy deserves better... all your tireless effort deserves better then what currently is. Give us an ending that Mass Effect deserves.

Modifié par Priisus, 19 mars 2012 - 01:51 .

[HomeSlixe]

thought this was a "no spoiler" thread. Thanks guys...

EDIT: Props to everyone else for sharing your opinions while not revealing content!

Modifié par HomeSlixe, 19 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[ShadetheDalish]

HomeSlixe wrote...

thought this was a "no spoiler" thread. Thanks guys...

EDIT: Props to everyone else for sharing your opinions while not revealing content!

If you didnt want a spoiler then why reada thread that states "Casey Hudson discusses the conclusion of Mass Effect 3" in the title, no offense.

I didn't say spoilers in my posts FYI

Modifié par ShadetheDalish, 19 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[ShadetheDalish]

Priisus wrote...

First of all, with all this negativity hype surrounding the endings I do want to point out one thing - that the ME team has done a really good job. This trilogy business is no monkey business, it's years worth of planning, sweat and generally so much hard work put into it. I never really like Sci-fi, I got ME after DA;O because my friend keep on recommending me that BW is an amazing developer... and I'm hooked to the ME universe now... until the last 15 mins of ME3.

Now, for those who keep on saying that fans are unhappy because they don't get sunshine and bunnies ending with their LI or w/e... The main problem is not so much the lack of closure but so much plotholes at the end that I just goes... WTF?

I came into the third game, knowing fully well that Shepard has a high chance of dying and that if she died, she wanted to make the galaxy a better place. The Genophage, the Geth-Quarian war, Turian-Krogan conflict... you name it. And then the chance of destroying the Reapers once and for all... If she died at the end... yeah this is the state of the galaxy she left... and that's totally fine. Shepard does not have to live, retire happily and all but her legacy will remain forever. If this is what you planned and meant by bittersweet, it's understandable.

But what bugged me is the logic of why the Reapers exist (there's a MEME going around with it, I'm sure you know which one I meant). And the whole catalyst avatar thing doesn't make sense at all...

And what makes you think the ending is right... Trying to keep it vague to avoid spoilers. If you choose Blue = TIM, Green = Saren, sorry I killed you two, we would've been buddies! And Red... why create EDI and making the Geth "human" only to have... *can't comprehend*

And in the end they're just three different colors of the same cutscene... Basically just ****** poor execution...

All these efforts... what.. 8 years of development... 5 years of players' journey. Do you really want Mass Effect to end like this? The trilogy deserves better... all your tireless effort deserves better then what currently is. Give us an ending that Mass Effect deserves.

I agree with you on this, this is also how I got into ME as well. Because I played DA:O and my buddy said the same thing and let me borrow his ME1 and ME2 copies way back and so yeah its funny how you and me got sucked into the series same exact way right down to the game we used to play made by BioWare.

[ShadetheDalish]

These original endings they had to that they cut was regarding Dark Matter, I mean come on that makes sense because in ME2 Tali is researching about it and how it affected the sun. I mean come on at least that fits into this whole thing

[Jaron Oberyn]

I found it weird that they put it in the non spoilers section myself...

-Polite

[HomeSlixe]

ShadetheDalish wrote...

HomeSlixe wrote...

thought this was a "no spoiler" thread. Thanks guys...

EDIT: Props to everyone else for sharing your opinions while not revealing content!

If you didnt want a spoiler then why reada thread that states "Casey Hudson discusses the conclusion of Mass Effect 3" in the title, no offense.

I didn't say spoilers in my posts FYI

I wanted to hear about the article in question and what peopple thought about it. Since this is a NON SPOILER section I thought poeple would have the common courtesy not to troll.

And hey, I appreciate that you didn't spoil anything!

Modifié par HomeSlixe, 19 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[Raycer X]

Hmmm, from what I read, the statement basically says:

"We worked really hard in the beginning of the series and we worked really hard now."

and

"We included fan favorites because that was what you wanted IE: Garrus/Tali romance."

and

"We're going to make more DLC because we want your money." <---- (HAHAHAHA)

However, I'm having a hardtime finding an explicit statement regarding they are working on a solution to the ending debacle.




Edit: What I would really like is to hear some real "normal" language from official statements, in other words, statements not prepared by PR damage control, instead, I would like to read statements that explicitly address topics of concern to the fan base. Simply summarizing your feelings and what your team did up until now is not a way of making the fans happy. If anything, those paragraphs are just filler material (at least, imo).

Modifié par Raycer X, 19 mars 2012 - 02:10 .