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[B1PPER]

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way. Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.

We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received.

You've had *some* positive reactions? Newsflash... the demographic that really counts... your customers are reacting largely negatively to the way you ended the series. Remember, the Titanic was a masterpiece right up until the end... people largely don't remember how luxurious the ship was, they only remember that it sank thanks to a small but critical design flaw.

Bittersweet is one thing but lets remember that there had been massive sacrifice leading up to the end. That in itself makes it a bittersweet ending. Also, none of the endings were all that inspiring and uplifting including the "synthesis" ending. Anyone who thinks that ending was inspiring and uplifting needs to stop playing video games for the summer, get out of their parent's basement and live a little.

Second, the New York Times' reaction is further proof that the "Old Gray Lady" has become completely irrelevant. There was nothing coherent about the ending, nothing triumphant about it either. It's like saying the end of the original Planet of the Apes was a "coherent triumph".

[ciorex]

Getorex wrote...


It does go a bit beynd that.  The nature of the ending matters.  The absolutely bleak ending NO MATTER WHAT renders any need or desire or motivation to replay totally moot.  Why do it?  You can play widely differing run-throughs as widely different Shepards and you get the same endings of bleak crushing death.  That's the best you can do.  You could restart from ME1 and work through ME2 and enter ME3 with all choices altered throughout and you get to the exact same end.  Absolute, retroactive murder of the franchise and replayability of all the games.  

The endings have to offer a reason to play again and play some more.  Death in all cases is not a motivator or reason.

^ That, if I know my Shepard is gonna die every single playthrough then whats the point of playing. Sure a sacrifice ending is fine, as long as its part of a multitude of endings, perhaps one where he lives, one where you fail like in the suicide mission and everyone dies or maybe even one where the Gman comes and puts Shepard on ice for 50000 years untill the next cycle.

Different strokes for different folks says I.

[zebrasectomy]

 I just finished Mass Effect and I honestly don't know why everyone is so upset about the ending. It was dramatic and emotional, and excactly how a series of this magnitude should end. It really played to the themes of tough decisions and sacrifice. 

Please Bioware, do not change your ending. Pandering and fan service will only cheapen what is an already great game. You guys are the writers and artists and you should not be forced to revise what you have made. 

Modifié par zebrasectomy, 19 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[Neon Scorpion]

I'm glad someone at Bioware addressed this issue in some way, additionally I want to thank them for making such an amazing game. My personal feelings on the ending is that I mostly liked it. I don't feel it needs to be changed, but I would like to see it expanded upon. Like DLC that adds more to the picture of what happened after the ending was chosen. Some aspects of the ending were confusing, though as I said, I mostly like it.

I know in my case, any DLC that merely adds to the base part of the game isn't of much interest to me, since I already played it and beat it (though I will play again, I have another ME2 playthrough to complete). I just really want to know "What now?"

[Getorex]

Neon Scorpion wrote...

I'm glad someone at Bioware addressed this issue in some way, additionally I want to thank them for making such an amazing game. My personal feelings on the ending is that I mostly liked it. I don't feel it needs to be changed, but I would like to see it expanded upon. Like DLC that adds more to the picture of what happened after the ending was chosen. Some aspects of the ending were confusing, though as I said, I mostly like it.

I know in my case, any DLC that merely adds to the base part of the game isn't of much interest to me, since I already played it and beat it (though I will play again, I have another ME2 playthrough to complete). I just really want to know "What now?"

What possible reason do you have to finish ME2 and then rerun ME3?  You WILL end the same.  Dead.  So will be dead most of everyone else BEST CASE.

No, the survivors from the Normandy crash will not survive and rebuild civilization.  There are only about 25 or so people on that crew.  You need (rule of thumb) around 100 BREEDING PAIRS to have a viable, sustainable, survivable population.  Among that way too small crew is ONE Quarian, ONE Turian, ONE Asar (how some of them made it to the Normandy to escape and survive is a mystery since some of these were there fighting with you until you ALL DIED).  There was no old man at the end holding some kids hand telling the story of Shepard because there is nothing in their future.  They are doomed, all of them, to extinction.  There was NOT 100 pairs of men and women on the Normandy, including other species.  All dead and destined to lonely extinction on a Gilligan's Island planet.  

There's hope for ya.

[YelIowman]

UntamedZer0 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Amazon is giving refunds on returns of ME3 if you wish. Origin/EA games is permitting an exchange for any game of equal value. You are not stuck with this loser, and you can make a statement that is far FAR louder than a forum post by either exchanging or returning your game.

You always have the option to re-purchase later if Bioware pulls its head out of its ass.

I can honestly say that it would be interesting if Bioware produced the most anticipated game of 2012 and the most returned game of 2012 all in the same title.

That doesn't even need words to sum up the ending.

any links to this plz

[Ace Kenshader]

YelIowman wrote...

I will never be purchasing anything bioware again after the way they destroyed this franchise

I'll give it 30 minutes tops before you go a complete 180 on that statement.

The idea that an ending can destroy an entire franchise is beyond pathetic, it just proves to outsiders that the Mass Effect fandom has essentially dumbed down to Sonic The Hedgehog levels.

[Theodoro]

Ace Kenshader wrote...

YelIowman wrote...

I will never be purchasing anything bioware again after the way they destroyed this franchise

I'll give it 30 minutes tops before you go a complete 180 on that statement.

The idea that an ending can destroy an entire franchise is beyond pathetic, it just proves to outsiders that the Mass Effect fandom has essentially dumbed down to Sonic The Hedgehog levels.

You've got more than an "idea", you've got an incredible example - Mass Effect 3. If you actually care for the story as most fans do then you would have been as upset as everyone else. How can this franchise be played any further, how can you be making all of those choices throughout the three games again, how can you go about preparing the galaxy for war and your squadmates to battle if in the end it's all the same?

[Merwanor]

Edit: had to change my statement after I really let the ending sink in an reading some of the comments and problems with the ending.

The game is amazing and one of my favorite games ever, But then I get to the very end, a end that should have given me closure, but instead it grants me 3 choices, and every choice is bad in some ways. I can't tell the kid at the end that this is not acceptable like Shepard should do, but for some reason Shepard just accepts that this kid rules the galaxy and can do what he pleases.

And the choices I have made throughout the series has no affect on the end which kinda makes the whole project Bioware made seem hollow on some levels. The trilogy now stands as the best trilogy ever, but with a very hollow and unpolished ending.

So please Bioware, I beg you to redoo the ending, do it like Cd Project Red is doing with Witcher 2 and release a enhanced edition that extends the game, and especially the ending. Let us question this kid at the end so we can all understand what it is all about. And give us a number of new more polished endings for this game.

And come on! show Talis face when she takes of the mask! It would have been the best way to do it in this game and it was such an disappointments.

Modifié par Merwanor, 19 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[Getorex]

YelIowman wrote...

UntamedZer0 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Amazon is giving refunds on returns of ME3 if you wish. Origin/EA games is permitting an exchange for any game of equal value. You are not stuck with this loser, and you can make a statement that is far FAR louder than a forum post by either exchanging or returning your game.

You always have the option to re-purchase later if Bioware pulls its head out of its ass.

I can honestly say that it would be interesting if Bioware produced the most anticipated game of 2012 and the most returned game of 2012 all in the same title.

That doesn't even need words to sum up the ending.

any links to this plz

Links to what?  There is an entire thread about Amazon giving refunds and I am personally downloading the game I exchanged Mass Effect 3 for at Origin/EA Games.  I got the exchange as a result of my complaint about Mass Effect 3 and the massive false advertising involved in its promotion and sale.  I am the link to EA allowing exchanges.  I am currently at 31% downloaded on the replacement title.

Modifié par Getorex, 19 mars 2012 - 06:41 .

[Maroon10]

I think the ending was incredibly powerful, original, and brilliant, that said, I hated it! The Mass Effect franchise can't end that way. They just need to add a 4th option that is something like (Spoiler!) No! I'm not playing by your rules any more!  Then
you blow up the Citadel and all the reapers crash and blow up, Before the Citadel blows you find a space suit and jump for it. Joker pulls the Normandy around and catches you, then you
see like a fifteen minute cut scene of all the survivors rebuilding and
enjoying a perfect victory. Then the last scene will be of Shepard
kissing Miranda or whoever his or her love interest is on a beach on
Earth or maybe in full armor still serving with a few scars depending on what you say to Kaiden. That's what everyone wanted in the first place and it will still leave your first three options as part of the game, just as intact as they were before.

[medusa_hair]

Grim Montrose wrote...

Arguing that the ending was or wasn't satisfying, or was or wasn't poorly written are aesthetic moot points. It is just as insulting to tell somebody in the Satisfied camp that "you are a blind rationalizing fanboy that is too easily pleased", as it is to tell a Dissatisfied camper, "your expectations are unrealistically high and you don't have the right to complain".

It is incredibly unfortunate that the most hated aspect of the game also takes place in the last 10 minutes. It serves to color everyones impression of the whole game.

But whether you enjoyed "your" ending or not, everyone must see that in the end every concievable path is forced into a single outcome regardless of any of the choices,readiness ratings, paragon/renegade scores, or war assets.

This single baseline outcome smacks of fatalism. That no matter what you do, you are pulled toward an ultimate fate you can't change. And that is contrary to every lesson, theme, or mechanic that the game presented us with.

Bioware/EA should not be surprised at the passionate negative reaction to bleak fatalism. They themselves have taught us, through their story telling, to band together and fight against an unfavorable fate.

The fight just got real. I choose to apply the lessons I learned from my comrades in arms.

Jack taught me, even a punk can choose to stand for something.

Garrus taught me, if you show you can get things done people will follow you. And its worth trying even if you fail.

Tali and Legion taught me that almost anything can be forgiven.

Mordin taught me no regret is beyond redemption.

Thane taught me that no matter how dark the galaxy seems, you can always make it a little brighter if you add something good.

And Shephard taught me that when the big machine bearing down on you says your ending is already decided, and that you have no choice, you UNITE the galaxy and bring the FIGHT to the machine!!!

We are our own avatars now. And we are fighting for the right to self determinate.

We are Shephard

The journey was fantastic.  The relationships were portrayed very well this time around and I did shed a tear a few times. The nature of the problem with the ending is not the bittersweetness - it would be okay given the previous storylines - the nature of the problem is that everything that happens after the scene with Anderson is so completely out of left field and illogical (Joker, and the rubble, as well as you-know-who) that it makes no sense at all!  AND, not only are we confused, but we never find out what happens to those we love/saved/betrayed along the way. In fact, if you ended with EMS 5000+ and chose RED, it didn't seem to really "end" at all!!
 
I hope this doesn't get lost in all the discussion on the spoiler threads that include very specific endings suggested by fans.  The point is, the existing ending didn't make sense, we had no say in it (not even to ask any questions), and there was no closure.  It's less about the actual content than it is about these three things, in my opinion.  Of course the options are going to narrow the close you get to the end - but you should have a say in how/why you make one of two or three limited choices, the choices should be logical based on the game's structure/Shepard's character, and whatever you choose, you should receive closure - isn't that what the term "ending" implies?

That is why I can't believe that they would be that careless; there had to be a plan for a final chapter later on.  It does sound naive, I know.  If they are smart and they provide better logic and closure via DLC later on, whether planned or for "saving Bioware's reputation"/fan demand reasons, they should NOT charge for it...that will be like putting gasoline on a fire!

[Ace Kenshader]

Theodoro wrote...

Ace Kenshader wrote...

YelIowman wrote...

I will never be purchasing anything bioware again after the way they destroyed this franchise

I'll give it 30 minutes tops before you go a complete 180 on that statement.

The idea that an ending can destroy an entire franchise is beyond pathetic, it just proves to outsiders that the Mass Effect fandom has essentially dumbed down to Sonic The Hedgehog levels.

You've got more than an "idea", you've got an incredible example - Mass Effect 3. If you actually care for the story as most fans do then you would have been as upset as everyone else. How can this franchise be played any further, how can you be making all of those choices throughout the three games again, how can you go about preparing the galaxy for war and your squadmates to battle if in the end it's all the same?

So in order for me to care about the story, I would have to be upset at the ending? That's a pretty bullish thought, I'd spent a long time on the Mass Effect 3, but I think the ending is okay, and that it shouldn't be changed.

[Alethir]

Having just re-watched the ending the only thing that doesn't make sense is where was the Normandy going? I originally thought it was just trying to outrun the shockwave from the Mass Relay and crashed on Earth (which makes more sense than randomly flying through Mass Relays), but now I realise it was knocked out of Mass Relay transit and ended up on an unknown planet. I still think that your squadmates could easily have been picked up after Shepard entered the beam to the Citadel (you see the Reaper guarding the beam leave once it thinks everyone charging it had died) so that isn't a plot hole for me, but what was Joker and the Normandy doing?

[Leviathan911]

Ever since I first played this series I loved every moment of it. My choices all seemed to matter and the story just pulled me in more. I can say my wife was excited as I was when it came out just so I would stop giving her a count down when ME3 came out ^^. That said I enjoyed every moment of ME3 it pulled me in kept me wanting to play and not sleep. I felt like I truely did save the universe or was going to until the end. I have read what alot of other people have said and agree the way it ended didnt end right. So many things happened but when the credits rolled you were left asking that was it? All I can hope is that Bioware does fix the ending to give the fans what they are asking for. As for everything else except that ending thank you Bioware for an amazing series that kept me up many many nights.

[YelIowman]

Ace Kenshader wrote...

YelIowman wrote...

I will never be purchasing anything bioware again after the way they destroyed this franchise

I'll give it 30 minutes tops before you go a complete 180 on that statement.

The idea that an ending can destroy an entire franchise is beyond pathetic, it just proves to outsiders that the Mass Effect fandom has essentially dumbed down to Sonic The Hedgehog levels.

im not going to waste time and money into a franchise that is going to leave me feeling completely empty and wondering why i bothered playing the game with no sense of completion.  if you went to college for 4 yrs earning a degree and a certain field than it stands to reason one would expect to get a job in the field you are learning about.  if at the end of the 4 yrs you come to find out that all your work was for nothing as that field died or there were no jobs for it you would feel completely empty and unfullfilled as all that time and money was wasted.  why should anyone waste time or money on something that leaves a person totally unsatisfied.

[Pinata Tsunami]

I was planning on buying a copy of ME3 in the next couple of days.

Given what I'm hearing from a large majority of the fanbase, I'm honestly not sure anymore. Although I'd normally prefer a flawed ME3 to no ME3 at all, I refuse to reward mediocrity, and Bioware's had me worried since the incredibly flat DA2. I certainly hope Bioware can turn the ship around, though, because you guys have released some of the best RPGs in video gaming history.

[Getorex]

Piñata Tsunami wrote...

I was planning on buying a copy of ME3 in the next couple of days.

Given what I'm hearing from a large majority of the fanbase, I'm honestly not sure anymore. Although I'd normally prefer a flawed ME3 to no ME3 at all, I refuse to reward mediocrity, and Bioware's had me worried since the incredibly flat DA2. I certainly hope Bioware can turn the ship around, though, because you guys have released some of the best RPGs in video gaming history.

If you really want to play it but avoid the SUCK (and it is a huge, deep, hard SUCK) then you play through to the last enemy (Marauder Shields he is called).  Drop him and then...quit the game and start a new run.  You can then make up whatever ending you wanted to YOUR story and not have the SUCK ending, all defeat and gloom an impossible contradictions, forced down your throat.

Me, I just exchanged ME3 for a different game from Origin/EA.  When and if Bioware fixes ME3 so there are more than just ONE ending, all gloom and doom, but 3 purdy colors, THEN I may re-purchase ME3 again.  I'm not holding my breath.

[omegasama]

Piñata Tsunami wrote...

I was planning on buying a copy of ME3 in the next couple of days.

Given what I'm hearing from a large majority of the fanbase, I'm honestly not sure anymore. Although I'd normally prefer a flawed ME3 to no ME3 at all, I refuse to reward mediocrity, and Bioware's had me worried since the incredibly flat DA2. I certainly hope Bioware can turn the ship around, though, because you guys have released some of the best RPGs in video gaming history.

Get a used copy if you do.

[chevyguy87]

 i would not be surprised in the least if the developers are sitting there reading the blowback and praise via forums and other media sources and are wondering when will be a good time to release the real endings via dlc

like garrus said:

"yell loud enough and eventually someone will come over to see what the fuss is about"

if bioware wants to keep its fanbase they will do something about it whether or not they do well thats another topic remember people 


hold the line

[LinksOcarina]

You do realize BioWare will always keep a fanbase.

So there is no danger of that ever leaving.

[Mr. Sean]

After seeing the ending and having some time to reflect on it, there must be something afoot. The ending must have ended up the way it did because of some time or budgetary constraint. After how brilliant the rest of the game was, there must have been something else going on behind the scenes. I'm absolutely confident Bioware has something up their sleeves to rectify this. There MUST be...

[horas1990]

Hey check out this IGN article http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221081p1.html a glimmer of hope

[Shelbyman2]

http://social.biowar...93/polls/30036/ lolol

[BubbleDncr]

Sigh.

So they stand by the ending. I guess this means they might come out with an epilogue dlc for people who want it?

I'm fine with Bioware sticking by the ending like this (still hate the ending and won't be replaying anytime soon as a result). I just wish they hadn't made all those tweets hinting that we were all right with our indoctrination theory, that this wasn't really the end.

Cos I guess at this point, even if they give us a new ending dlc that follows the indoctrination theory, we'll still know it wasn't planned. It would have been amazing if this whole thing was planned.

Unless Bioware is just further trying to indoctrinate us.