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Sigh.

So they stand by the ending. I guess this means they might come out with an epilogue dlc for people who want it?

I'm fine with Bioware sticking by the ending like this (still hate the ending and won't be replaying anytime soon as a result). I just wish they hadn't made all those tweets hinting that we were all right with our indoctrination theory, that this wasn't really the end.

Cos I guess at this point, even if they give us a new ending dlc that follows the indoctrination theory, we'll still know it wasn't planned. It would have been amazing if this whole thing was planned.

Unless Bioware is just further trying to indoctrinate us.


If you wont be replaying then you wasted $60 or $80 that you paid for it.  It is worth no more than $15-20 as a single play.  Given that, you are prime candidate for returning for refund (if you got it from Amazon) or for an exchange (if you got it from Origin/EA Games.

I suggest Deus Ex: Human Revolutions (not for exchange, not an EA game) as a replacement RPG. The melee in DE:HR is outstanding.  I NEVER got or get tired of watching Adam do a manual takedown of one or two people at a time.  Superb.

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Having played the original dragon age, I have to say I am surprised with the ME3 ending. Dragon age being the first in the series had much more epic endings which fit more for a final. For example, if you sacrifice yourself, you will see subsequent mourning you for the loss. Also if you romanced  Leliana and you read  her torment in the Epilogue and she may have killed herself as a result. It just makes it all of a more emotional conclusion.  The simple Epilogue also provides some details around your companions which helps to provide some closure as you spend so many hours getting to know these characters. Plus what you did during the game had much impact on the endings. I replayed and remade some of the decisions just to get the different endings in DA. Whereas with ME3, the decision you made have very little impact to the conclusion and the whole thing about EMS just plainly annoying. How can you get it so wrong Bioware!?

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BIOWARE feedback clearer than this!
you have no more excuses! The ending should be changed if you consider really our opinions

"We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received" WTF! and what do you think the majority of your fans / customers??!

I want a happy ending! not a bittersweet ending!
a shepard alive with his love and without the mass destruction of relay.....

we players want more choices!
indoctrination theory <3 a ingenious idea!
sry for my english but i had to talk about this, i love too this universe more than any other science fiction universe!
PLEASE BIOWARE CHANGE THIS ENDING OF SUCKS!

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Strik3r889123 wrote...

BIOWARE feedback clearer than this!
you have no more excuses! The ending should be changed if you consider really our opinions

"We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received" WTF! and what do you think the majority of your fans / customers??!

I want a happy ending! not a bittersweet ending!
a shepard alive with his love and without the mass destruction of relay.....

we players want more choices!
indoctrination theory <3 a ingenious idea!
sry for my english but i had to talk about this, i love too this universe more than any other science fiction universe!
PLEASE BIOWARE CHANGE THIS ENDING OF SUCKS!


Would you be OK with the Relays all needing a hard reset?  Maybe manually resetting a little circuit breaker?  Annoying missions to each and every relay to push in the blown fuse button, hit the reset button, wait for bootup, wait, wait, then we're up and running again. :P  I'd prefer this to the full retard ending.  Hell, you do EXACTLY what the Reapers want and the relays STILL get blown.  Why didn't they blow after EVERY reaping then?  Do the Reapers have to rebuild each relay (and the citadel) after every cycle?  How annoying.

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Here is a quote from Casey's statement:

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid."

I've read his full statement a couple of times..  The more I think about it, the more this section bugs me.  "More time to say goodbye to their stories"?  That is condescending. I am not a child!  I am a fully functioning, (reasonably) logical, 50-year-old woman with a life, a job, a family, and a checkbook.  I don't need to "say goodbye to my story."   And I'll wager that it's more than "some" fans who need more answers.

The thing is, this is a quote that is being used in a lot of news stories about the uproar.  It makes us look like a bunch of children who want our mommy to read our bedtime story to us one more time.  It just irks me. 

Sorry, had to vent...actually the statement is written really well.  Better than the ending of ME3!  Image IPB

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medusa_hair wrote...

Here is a quote from Casey's statement:

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid."

I've read his full statement a couple of times..  The more I think about it, the more this section bugs me.  "More time to say goodbye to their stories"?  That is condescending. I am not a child!  I am a fully functioning, (reasonably) logical, 50-year-old woman with a life, a job, a family, and a checkbook.  I don't need to "say goodbye to my story."   And I'll wager that it's more than "some" fans who need more answers.

The thing is, this is a quote that is being used in a lot of news stories about the uproar.  It makes us look like a bunch of children who want our mommy to read our bedtime story to us one more time.  It just irks me. 

Sorry, had to vent...actually the statement is written really well.  Better than the ending of ME3!  Image IPB


L O L
Nicely put on all fronts and I completely agree. I have been getting those same impressions.

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medusa_hair wrote...

Here is a quote from Casey's statement:

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid."

I've read his full statement a couple of times..  The more I think about it, the more this section bugs me.  "More time to say goodbye to their stories"?  That is condescending. I am not a child!  I am a fully functioning, (reasonably) logical, 50-year-old woman with a life, a job, a family, and a checkbook.  I don't need to "say goodbye to my story."   And I'll wager that it's more than "some" fans who need more answers.

The thing is, this is a quote that is being used in a lot of news stories about the uproar.  It makes us look like a bunch of children who want our mommy to read our bedtime story to us one more time.  It just irks me. 

Sorry, had to vent...actually the statement is written really well.  Better than the ending of ME3!  Image IPB


You know, I understand how angry you are in general, but the statement actually gave me a pinch of hope. Casey understands that some people didn't get closure, that sentence says. He and Bioware may STILL be underestimating just how many didn't get their closure but at least he's seeing what in my eyes is the prime reason the ending is unsatisfying. While examining why, he'll also likely come across the number of logical issues with the ending and figure those in, but ... there'd be no Retake ME3 movement, or else it would be greatly reduced in scope, if they'd given us a real epilogue that makes sense.

Clarity, Closure, Catharsis.

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Getorex wrote...

Strik3r889123 wrote...

BIOWARE feedback clearer than this!
you have no more excuses! The ending should be changed if you consider really our opinions

"We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received" WTF! and what do you think the majority of your fans / customers??!

I want a happy ending! not a bittersweet ending!
a shepard alive with his love and without the mass destruction of relay.....

we players want more choices!
indoctrination theory <3 a ingenious idea!
sry for my english but i had to talk about this, i love too this universe more than any other science fiction universe!
PLEASE BIOWARE CHANGE THIS ENDING OF SUCKS!


Would you be OK with the Relays all needing a hard reset?  Maybe manually resetting a little circuit breaker?  Annoying missions to each and every relay to push in the blown fuse button, hit the reset button, wait for bootup, wait, wait, then we're up and running again. :P  I'd prefer this to the full retard ending.  Hell, you do EXACTLY what the Reapers want and the relays STILL get blown.  Why didn't they blow after EVERY reaping then?  Do the Reapers have to rebuild each relay (and the citadel) after every cycle?  How annoying.


XD sorry "MASS RELAY"  :o

another thing... this ending sucks

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I finished Mass Effect 3 shortly after the retake movement began to pick up steam. I read the reports and comments, seeing both sides of the story. So as I approached those final moments, I was wary. Was the ending really going to suck, so much so that it makes the rest of the series invalid? Or were the people who were dissatisfied just whiny babies?

After finishing the game, I have my answer: neither. I liked the ending, I liked that it was vague. Well after finishing, my mind was still racing with the possibilities. The fate of the universe was ultimately up to me to decide via imagination, and to debate with my friends. And debate we did. As we compared, we also found that our experiences varied greatly. There were plenty of "Wait, what happened in yours!?" moments, From the big who lived and who died to the tiniest details of a conversation. Sure, the end was the same, but the journeys to get there were vastly different. And how does that saying go? "It isn't the destination but the journey". I thank Bioware for this story, these characters. The journey was amazing, no one can deny that, even if you found the end lacking. You can't fault the entirety of a game, of a series, because of it's conclusion.

But you also can't deny that the retake movement is strong, and makes some good points. However, I don't think they're as numerous as they would claim. Currently, 1.62 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The movement, as of my writing, has about 3,000 donators. And supposedly, they have polls where 50,000 people voted for a new ending. (I can't confirm this now because for some reason I can't load the retake site) Now obviously not all of the 1.62 million buyers have beat the game. I won't try to assume how many did, I just wanted to throw those numbers up, because even if 50,000 people demanded a new ending, it's not the overwhelming majority they would have us believe, not in the scope of millions or even hundreds of thousands. And 3,000 doesn't even come close. I do respect their opinion and their methods, I just don't want them to become the voice of the fan base simply because they are so vocal.

So I comment as someone who was satisfied in the ending, and truly believes that Mass Effect 3 is a complete package filled with great gameplay and an even greater story. A new ending isn't a necessary fix, the game isn't broken. But if the retake movement eventually does push hard enough and we see a new ending DLC, expect to be charged for it. It would be extra, an alternative, icing on the cake. And it would be a gift from Bioware, a sign that they love their fans. It wouldn't be anyone's deserved product. It would be like a director's cut of a movie, an extra and optional treat. And just like the director's cut dvd, you can't expect it for free with the price of your ticket. Be thankful that Casey and the gang are listening to us, and aren't shrugging us off like Capcom is doing to the Street Fighter X Tekken community.

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Well for me it's simple. Everyone makes mistakes, that's ok, but if they're made they have to be fixed. Make a proper, rich-branched and logical ending where everyone finds what he/she seeks (I think our savegame data cointain more than enough hints for that) and release it as DLC "somehow" attached to the messy standard end ME3 contains (being it an indoctrination theory or something else, though I think nothing else can now reasonably fix ME3 ending except for a complete story-rollback and replace :-P).

Once you do it I'll buy it and I'll buy every story-based ME3 DLC you do. But until you do it... I won't buy any. Because I don't care about more stories from Shepard's past. I want her present/future fixed/closed in the first place otherwise I can't enjoy them. Thank you.

Nota bene: People who claimed above that this BW statement was a pristine example of "empty political phrases" deflecting the issue completely and saying virtually nothing are 100% right. I think I'd take better just plain "no we won't change anything" or... "never say never but right now we can't promise anything regarding the ending issue" than this. At least it would be honest and *to the topic*.

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It bears repeating folks. You can get you money back if you bought ME3 from Amazon. They are giving refunds. Also, I complained to EA Games/Origin and they will offer an exchange - you can select any other game of equal value to replace ME3. Bioware will definitely understand loss of $$ if they think they can ignore forum complaints, facebook movements, twitter storms, etc. I've dumped ME3 and gotten an exchange from EA. I will buy ME3 again when and if Bioware fixes the ending...probably for only $20 too.

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blameyourfate wrote...


But you also can't deny that the retake movement is strong, and makes some good points. However, I don't think they're as numerous as they would claim. Currently, 1.62 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The movement, as of my writing, has about 3,000 donators. And supposedly, they have polls where 50,000 people voted for a new ending. (I can't confirm this now because for some reason I can't load the retake site) Now obviously not all of the 1.62 million buyers have beat the game. I won't try to assume how many did, I just wanted to throw those numbers up, because even if 50,000 people demanded a new ending, it's not the overwhelming majority they would have us believe, not in the scope of millions or even hundreds of thousands. And 3,000 doesn't even come close. I do respect their opinion and their methods, I just don't want them to become the voice of the fan base simply because they are so vocal.



Try looking at it this way. Let's say over 2 million people bought the game. Also let's say that 60 000 people find it lacking enough to voice their protests and back the retake movement. Who do you think represents the hard core fan base here? Or to paraphrase, what do you think are the demographics of the both groups?

I am willing to bet that of those 2 million 95% won't touch the game ever again (the single player part) after 1 or 2 months no matter how much they claim they like ti now. In fact they probably give the same treatment to all the other games in the series.

On the other hand, of those 60 000 that whine, at least half have already invested 100s or 1000s of hours just in the previous 2 games alone. How shall i put this, these are the people that "care". People that have played ME1 and ME2 at least 5 or 6 times each. Even if these people represent only a third (i dare say we more likely two thirds at least) of the people that actually did intend to replay the game in the first place, don't you think that is a significant portion of the fans? The true fans? The fans of the series? Some of us have been with BioWare since Baldur's Gate you know.

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ile_1979 wrote...

blameyourfate wrote...


But you also can't deny that the retake movement is strong, and makes some good points. However, I don't think they're as numerous as they would claim. Currently, 1.62 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The movement, as of my writing, has about 3,000 donators. And supposedly, they have polls where 50,000 people voted for a new ending. (I can't confirm this now because for some reason I can't load the retake site) Now obviously not all of the 1.62 million buyers have beat the game. I won't try to assume how many did, I just wanted to throw those numbers up, because even if 50,000 people demanded a new ending, it's not the overwhelming majority they would have us believe, not in the scope of millions or even hundreds of thousands. And 3,000 doesn't even come close. I do respect their opinion and their methods, I just don't want them to become the voice of the fan base simply because they are so vocal.



Try looking at it this way. Let's say over 2 million people bought the game. Also let's say that 60 000 people find it lacking enough to voice their protests and back the retake movement. Who do you think represents the hard core fan base here? Or to paraphrase, what do you think are the demographics of the both groups?

I am willing to bet that of those 2 million 95% won't touch the game ever again (the single player part) after 1 or 2 months no matter how much they claim they like ti now. In fact they probably give the same treatment to all the other games in the series.

On the other hand, of those 60 000 that whine, at least half have already invested 100s or 1000s of hours just in the previous 2 games alone. How shall i put this, these are the people that "care". People that have played ME1 and ME2 at least 5 or 6 times each. Even if these people represent only a third (i dare say we more likely two thirds at least) of the people that actually did intend to replay the game in the first place, don't you think that is a significant portion of the fans? The true fans? The fans of the series? Some of us have been with BioWare since Baldur's Gate you know.


No game on earth is worth $60 if it is good for one play only.  A game like that is worth no more than $20.  I'll pay $60 for something I will play multiple times and ME3 (and as  result, ME1 and ME2) is not replay-worthy.

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I'm against the notion of fan feedback determining artistic content on principle. For better or worse, the creators of the content should determine how that content progresses and concludes. If the fanbase doesn't like it, they are free to protest using their wallets the next time Bioware releases a game. But storytelling isn't a democracy. For all that the Mass Effect games enable us to craft our own variant of the tale, if total user freedom to determine content was allowed, we wouldn't have Mass Effect, we'd have The Elder Scrolls, and I'm sorry, but those game are all breadth, no depth. I come back to Bioware's games again and again because they have the perfect blend of user choice and of carefully-honed storytelling. Sometimes I don't like a direction that was taken, but its Bioware's right, as the storytellers, to take that step and not have to backtrack and change it based on the demand of a vocal portion of the fanbase. And what about those who've finished the game and were satisfied with the ending? If Bioware bows to public outcry, will they have to re-finish the game with an ending they may not enjoy?

Before the protesters push this further, they should ask themselves: aren't they demanding that Bioware do to Mass Effect exactly what George Lucas does to Star Wars every six months or so? And before they answer "But this would make it BETTER!" they should remember that this is exactly what George Lucas thinks as well.

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Mr Casey certainly has a future in politics, should he ever want to change jobs. That was a whole lot of text that resulted is basicly nothing new whatsoever.

I will however be watching the development of ME3 for the coming months ahead. Should be interesting to see what direction they ultimately decide to go with. Will I stick more money into this game for DLC and the like? No, I won't. I have pretty much spent my last penny on anything Bioware and EA related. The quality is just too uneven to warrant the pile of money a game retails for these days.

It's really sad to see the Mass effect universe conclude on such a low note. To date it has been one of my favorite series of all time. This is probably also why I reacted so strongly to the ending it was given. The series deserved more closure and definatly more choise. At the very least an epilog along the likes of Dragon Age: origin.

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I think this sums up their reactions (the devs) and our reactions (the customers) nicely:

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If Hudson isn't lying with a smile, he's probably not saying anything.

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Litg wrote...

I'm against the notion of fan feedback determining artistic content on principle. For better or worse, the creators of the content should determine how that content progresses and concludes. If the fanbase doesn't like it, they are free to protest using their wallets the next time Bioware releases a game. But storytelling isn't a democracy. For all that the Mass Effect games enable us to craft our own variant of the tale, if total user freedom to determine content was allowed, we wouldn't have Mass Effect, we'd have The Elder Scrolls, and I'm sorry, but those game are all breadth, no depth. I come back to Bioware's games again and again because they have the perfect blend of user choice and of carefully-honed storytelling. Sometimes I don't like a direction that was taken, but its Bioware's right, as the storytellers, to take that step and not have to backtrack and change it based on the demand of a vocal portion of the fanbase. And what about those who've finished the game and were satisfied with the ending? If Bioware bows to public outcry, will they have to re-finish the game with an ending they may not enjoy?

Before the protesters push this further, they should ask themselves: aren't they demanding that Bioware do to Mass Effect exactly what George Lucas does to Star Wars every six months or so? And before they answer "But this would make it BETTER!" they should remember that this is exactly what George Lucas thinks as well.


I asked my self those same questions. And there is no easy answer there. But then i asked myself this: "Would i be playing ME1 and ME2 if i knew in advance that ME3 would end like this"? So, is story depth worth the replay value sacrifice? Is it worth the player choice sacrifice? If story is all i am supposed to enjoy then i'll read Hyperion and watch BSG. Same story, same plot, same ending. Even greater re-read values. Or i'll just play The longest journey. But that was an adventure game that had a story to tell, a very different concept from a WRPG at least in my book.

And fear of the ending chainge? I don't think we want the ending nullified, we want more endings added to reflect our game choices and play styles. Or am i getting it wrong?

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blameyourfate wrote...

I finished Mass Effect 3 shortly after the retake movement began to pick up steam. I read the reports and comments, seeing both sides of the story. So as I approached those final moments, I was wary. Was the ending really going to suck, so much so that it makes the rest of the series invalid? Or were the people who were dissatisfied just whiny babies?

After finishing the game, I have my answer: neither. I liked the ending, I liked that it was vague. Well after finishing, my mind was still racing with the possibilities. The fate of the universe was ultimately up to me to decide via imagination, and to debate with my friends. And debate we did. As we compared, we also found that our experiences varied greatly. There were plenty of "Wait, what happened in yours!?" moments, From the big who lived and who died to the tiniest details of a conversation. Sure, the end was the same, but the journeys to get there were vastly different. And how does that saying go? "It isn't the destination but the journey". I thank Bioware for this story, these characters. The journey was amazing, no one can deny that, even if you found the end lacking. You can't fault the entirety of a game, of a series, because of it's conclusion.

But you also can't deny that the retake movement is strong, and makes some good points. However, I don't think they're as numerous as they would claim. Currently, 1.62 million copies of ME3 have been sold. The movement, as of my writing, has about 3,000 donators. And supposedly, they have polls where 50,000 people voted for a new ending. (I can't confirm this now because for some reason I can't load the retake site) Now obviously not all of the 1.62 million buyers have beat the game. I won't try to assume how many did, I just wanted to throw those numbers up, because even if 50,000 people demanded a new ending, it's not the overwhelming majority they would have us believe, not in the scope of millions or even hundreds of thousands. And 3,000 doesn't even come close. I do respect their opinion and their methods, I just don't want them to become the voice of the fan base simply because they are so vocal.

So I comment as someone who was satisfied in the ending, and truly believes that Mass Effect 3 is a complete package filled with great gameplay and an even greater story. A new ending isn't a necessary fix, the game isn't broken. But if the retake movement eventually does push hard enough and we see a new ending DLC, expect to be charged for it. It would be extra, an alternative, icing on the cake. And it would be a gift from Bioware, a sign that they love their fans. It wouldn't be anyone's deserved product. It would be like a director's cut of a movie, an extra and optional treat. And just like the director's cut dvd, you can't expect it for free with the price of your ticket. Be thankful that Casey and the gang are listening to us, and aren't shrugging us off like Capcom is doing to the Street Fighter X Tekken community.




If you are not a company called CD project Red who just makes an enhanced edition of their game and gives away all this for free to their PC customers, yes there are some honorable game companies left.

As of now I just have to hope that the indoctrination theory is actually what is really going on as I can't really see it being anything different as the end is messy and makes no sense, it seems like an illusion and if it is like this, and Bioware announces some grand DLC comming that finish it all correctly and explains that this part was ment to just fool us, then they will have done one of the most amazing tricks in gaming history.... But if this is how this amazing series ends, I think it is one of the most hollow and empty endings ever, especially compared to the scale of this series.

As of now I have this amazing trilogy with an end that is pathetic compared to the scale it builds up to.

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Ya know I think Hudson could be USA Politician. He is starting to spew words out his month that say absolutely nothing at all. Keeping it very vague and yet somehow trying to praise himself and what he did, while telling 'The People" that they have helped shape things and thus it's "The Peoples" Fault that things got F*cked up!

While finding a way to praising himself and BW and claiming that they have had such great praise from such great sources as propaganda papers like NY @ss wiping paper Times gave their cr@p such great applause and herald it the greatest thing and the 'New Messiah".and The Rolling Stone.

Mr Hudson you should run for a USA Office maybe President? Were you born in the USA? Not that that really matters any more.

Hudson has mastered the art of spewing fourth garbage that says nothing at all and some how people are still entranced by him when he speaks everything seems to be fine for all the people who have become indoctrinated by his Charisma. (Starts the playing the W.A.S.P. song Charisma)

Yet everything he says is the same sh!t he's been saying to fans since the leaks and bad rumors started to surface before ME3 had been released.

I value your stupid speeches and cr@p as much as you value the Constructive Criticism from fans, or as you may view it negative feedback.

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Slidell505 wrote...

If Hudson isn't lying with a smile, he's probably not saying anything.

LMFAO!
Be careful not to look him in the eyes or at his smile you may fall under his spell.

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dont need to say more
Ther shold be more endings

Loved the game except fore the end

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I remember eagerly awaiting the third installment in an otherwise amazing trilogy. I even remember reading on IGN.com the overall rating of 9.5, and the reader’s rating of 6.1 thinking, really? IMPOSSIBLE. I thought some idiots must have picked the game up and started with just 3 not having played the first 2 with no appreciation.

Then I started playing the game. Blown away from the beginning.  Bioware went above and beyond as far as getting us to interject our personal feelings into the playing of this video game. So many, many small vignettes that come and go throughout – from the expression on her face when the little boy got killed at the very beginning of the game. To see Kaiden almost killed in the first mission – what a sickening feeling, I mean, would Bioware finally bring him back into the fray, then let him die at the beginning? Or the expression on her face when she had to pause with Grunt before his insane charge back into the rachnis? Or (without giving a spoiler here) the sentence she delivered to Kai Leng when completing her mission with him?  Watching Mordin trying to sing to himself as he gave his ultimate sacrifice. Facing no less than 6 grunts, a harvester, vindicators, banshees at the very end! And the list goes on and on and on and on and on. I won’t, can’t, go into all the provoking things that happened throughout this entire game. But if you played 1&2, then you felt the pain when certain events started unfolding in 3 that were part of the results of your past decisions.

This was nothing short of what was expected of this franchise. I mean, how many of us have played and replayed ME1 and 2 because we felt the need to perfect our game going into ME3 because, as it was promised, all our decisions would affect the outcome in ME3.

This game was setting you up for such an (what’s the word here) epic (satisfying?) ending. So many events throughout this game just prepared you for an incredible climax.

So then you get to the last 10 minutes.

Seriously????????

I mean, SERIOUSLY??????

To give us all the choices before, then to jerk them away and throw 10 minutes of Twilight Zone crap that made absolutely no sense. So they wanted us to talk about it? We would if we understood what the H was going on.

Usually the replay on the ME francise is a lot of fun. To replay ME3 would just be…...…painful, not to mention pointless. Did I want, did I EXPECT a great ending? Yes, sorry but I did. I mean, we’ve all played this series for the last 5 years, played over and over, thought and rethought what it might mean at the end if we rewrote the heretics or destroyed them. If we allowed the genoephage cure to be saved or deleted. If we destroyed the Collector’s base or saved it, or allowed the council to live or die. Played through it several times saving all scenarios because it may adversely affect the ending in ME3.

Can anyone remember the satisfaction of the end of ME1 when you destroyed Soverign? Or in ME2 when you destroyed (or saved) the collector base? It was satisfaction because our decisions ultimately culminated in the just ending result (try playing ME2 and not getting to know your squad and hope to survive).  You felt satisfied because you GOT an ending that you felt you worked for.

That’s what I wanted in ME3.   Reapers destroyed. Shepard a hero. Civilizations saved. Replay time with 3 games worth every moment.

So Bioware, yes you let us all down. I personally don’t know what you thought when coming up with your, I guess in your eyes, epic artsy ending. Personally I wanted an ending that would wrap up what I spent a lot of time on considering that YOU promised it would be shaped by my personal decisions.

Modifié par maizeteddo, 19 mars 2012 - 10:56 .


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taggen86

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I am a long time fan of mass effect and this will problaby be my first and only post on this forum.
I have read some rumors lately that bioware might change the ending of Me3. Following how bioware has responded to previous player feedback, I am afraid that they will give in to the demands. To this I want to say do not change the ending! If this is how bioware wanted the ending then they schould keep it as it is. Some fans disliked the ending while others liked it (even with the plotholes and the unclear effect of your previous actions). However, what is important here is how bioware wants to see their trilogy end.  

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I usually am all about the journey but when that journey spreads galaxies and worlds I don't need bittersweet. I have been with Mass Effect since day one and feel like Bioware is the best game developer since sliced bread (yes I'm a fanboy just roll with it) but the experience built with Mass effect and Shepard and the others is much more than a mere game or story. Just imagine taking the best vacation ever but slip and hit your head and forget everything that happend. You may have had a lot of pictures but no matter if you can't remember any of it. With the entire crew of ME a simple good bye is insufficient and Bioware should have realized that, while some people are happy some are mad I am more disappointed than anything else, I feel like the journey in ME3 was like the Griswald's finally making it to Wallyworld just for it to be closed. After all the sacrifices and blood lost all I get is a half ending and no closure and the most Badass villians in all gamedom are made out to be dead ghost children (I think, that part made very little since).