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[Withidread]

Glad to see a response to this. I don't like it, but I'm glad to see a response.

Honestly though, at this point, it doesn't much matter to me what happens, "fix" the endings, don't "fix" the endings, either is fine with me. I'm probably going to just uninstall ME3, save the HD space, put this one in my "regrets" file, and wait for the next game.

[Strider379]

I've never actually written
on a message board before and I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before,
but as a lover of all things Bioware in the past and someone who was sadly
unsatisfied with the endings, I've been following the media coverage of
the whole ending debate pretty closely.  I've noticed a lot of the news
articles relating to the endings examining video games as art and I've seen a
number of posts from fans comparing the idea of changing the endings to asking
DaVinci to change the Mona Lisa or Mozart to change a concerto.  I agree
that video games have become a new form of art; however, to say that game
design is the same as painting a fresco or composing a symphony or writing
a novel is to fundamentally ignore the unique qualities of each of those modes
of artistic expression.



Visual arts, music, and fiction writing produce
finished works where the audience experiences a completed product.  They
hear the symphony performed, examine the painting, or read the novel. However,
the wonderfully unique element of video gaming--at least in the case of
RPGs--is that the player is allowed the opportunity to experience the creation
of the masterpiece in progress.  In fact, the very success of an RPG
depends upon the player's ability to fully invest himself or herself in the
game and its characters.  I understand that the writers and the game
designers also feel very strongly about the story and the manner in which they
want the story to end; however, I also feel that there is a reason why with
such great literary talents they chose to create video games rather than to write
the story of Commander Shepard as a novel or a screenplay--because they
appreciate the personal bond that is formed with the player through the
co-development of the story, a bond that transcends what would otherwise be
merely passive observation of one person's creative ideas to become an active,
communal experience of that story on a level that is deeply personal that
unifies (or "synthesizes," if you will) the artist and the audience.
 This is why I find the ME3 ending so difficult to swallow.  It
removes the player/audience from the equation.  Don't get me wrong.
 I love reading, and I love movies, but I play video games because they're
video games, not because they're books or movies.  Plus, as someone who
enjoys writing as well, I would not want anyone telling me how to end my story
or novel either, but I'm not writing video games.  I'm not requiring that
the audience be any more than passive observers.



So, to close, Bioware, please continue to do what
you've always done in the past--and even what you've continued to do up until
the last ten minutes or so of ME3.  Make great video games--great RPGs--that
continue to create the unique, active experience of art.  Create endings
that hold true to that idea of active engagement.  I will gladly pay
whatever the asking price for that DLC and remain an ardent, loyal fan.
Otherwise, I’ll be getting caught up on my reading.

[thedosbox]

Getorex wrote...

You are a very 1 dimensional, simple, simplistic, and hollow individual.  Must be very easy to buy gifts for you...I suppose all they must be is shiny.'


My father and my sister, also former avid fans have quit the series and game and are interested in refund/replacement.  Totally wrecked for them too.  They don't judge an object based on how shiny it is.

Heh.

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[TheMadLieut]

i've finished the game yesterday...and...well...i loved that until the last 15 minutes...those really doesn't make any sense...i've also read a part of the leaked final...it wasn't fantastic but...well...at least that make sense...i hope anyway that everyone can get a "good" ending, not those 6 look-like-the-same endings with no sense...

i loved this saga, and that's why i think that all the people should have an ending that they like most...the fans deserve this, commander shepard and all his/her crew deserve this

[devil_foetus]

The ending invalidated any point to playing the series.

[Akakhan]

Never have I grieved so much in a game, never have I spent so much time thinking about the ending of a game. I'm pretty impressed I have been so engaged on an emotional level.

While personally I feel I got my money's worth, the hardest part about the game is I don't want to go through that pain and sacrifice again - all that closure for my team and none for myself, my Shepard would have liked to have gone to Rio or had blue babies, but now I find it hard to think about taking my other characters through this fire.

I've never been shy of replaying ME or ME2, but this one feels pretty hard to do again - I did take some comfort from starting up ME again and talking to Liara about dealing with short lived races and through the bonding a part of the person lives on with the Asari

I would have liked an ending where all the effort I made in uniting the Galaxy, races both sentient and machine could have been resolved in a more Paragon way... one where Anderson would finally get to retire in peace as well...

If a happier ending becomes available a fourth option where I can escape to the stars with Liara then I would find it easier to replay - in fact I would be able to bring through multiple characters that willingly end up taking the other choices as it would suit their personalities

In any case I'm glad I got to play through - there were many good things that happened along the way and it was the first time I was ever pleased to see Jack

[thedosbox]

medusa_hair wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Taura-Tierno wrote...

I agree with you completely. 

This is like a tv-series with a less-than-good ending. Or a series of books where the last one doesn't end the way you wanted it to. 

Doesn't mean you can't enjoy rewatching the great episodes of the series, or rereading the books, if the rest was good. ME1 was a good game, and ME2 was a great game. ME3 was an amazing game, aside from the ending. As another poster quoted, "It's not the destination, but the journey". 

This ++

I find it hilariously OTT that some people want their money back because the last 10 minutes of a 30+ hour game didn't comply with their notion of how a game should end.

I'm not particularly impressed with how the endings were handled, but I cannot deny that everything leading up to it was a great experience.

It's precisely because it was such a fantastic experience that the ending was so disappointing and is causing such an uproar. I submit that this is not the same as a book, movie, or TV series - we had a hand in developing Shepard's story, whereas with those other forms of media, we are simply the spectator. As a result, when that participation is taken away from us only at the very end, when it is arguably most important to the story, it's natural to feel, let's say, less than satisfied.

Everyone isn't asking for their money back; that's pretty extreme, I think, as is the tone of some of the discontent.  However, you know they are going to start pumping out the DLC.  They can certainly include a DLC that contains a more complete ending for those of us who want it.  And that doesn't make us unreasonable or entitled...it's not any different than saying "gee, I'd like to have some DLC about Dekanna".  Those who like the ending can simply decline to purchase the DLC, that's all.

As I said, the endings definitely could have been handled better - for example, Shepard is given an option that she specifically turned down minutes before (this is supposed to be a spoiler-free forum).

However, at least the "as is" endings allow for plenty of speculation, and for everyone to decide how their Shepard's story ended (though sufficient readiness points might be needed in some cases).

In other words, leaving some things to the imagination works for me.  Other people may feel the need to be spoon-fed all the answers, and I'm sure EA will sell them plenty of DLC as a result.

Modifié par thedosbox, 20 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[biowaregeek]

hay bioware i know you didint make kotor2 but kotor 2 ending is better than me 3 ending.

[Takamori The Templar]

Well I avoided all the damn spoilers....
Then ended the game, holy ****.
Its a ****ing huge plothole that makes no sense.
All ****ty endings with rainbows shoved.
That showed everything in the end didn't matter and a ****load of races went extinct.
And I will be forced to buy a dlc to get a logical ending?
Casey go to hell and shove your interview in your black hole.

[thedosbox]

xexys wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Except that you enjoyed the other cookies in the pack when they were fresh.

True. Then you find out after reading the empty wrapper to the third pack, that they've all been made out of cardboard, feces, and artificial flavorings since the beginning. Doesn't really matter how tasty they were at the time. Now that you know what's up, it kinda makes it hard to go back for additional helpings.

(Not to mention, you're really not looking forward to any more "tasty confectionaries" the company might offer.)

Well, that's your fault for not reading the label on the first box

As for future boycotts, I'll let you think about this www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/12/why-they-dont-take-boycotts-seriously/

[venom56321489]

Some sites are saying amazon is accepting (opened) full price returns of mass effect 3, and other fans getting 85% money back by selling on craigs list.

[venom56321489]

Ill pass on the mass effect movie. Ill just use my imagination.

[Takamori The Templar]

venom56321489 wrote...

Ill pass on the mass effect movie. Ill just use my imagination.

Avoid thinking about the endings ,might ruin your movie.

[thedosbox]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

venom56321489 wrote...

Ill pass on the mass effect movie. Ill just use my imagination.

Avoid thinking about the endings ,might ruin your movie.

Ah, but if it's a Hollywood movie, it'll have a Happy Ending!

[Takamori The Templar]

thedosbox wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

venom56321489 wrote...

Ill pass on the mass effect movie. Ill just use my imagination.

Avoid thinking about the endings ,might ruin your movie.

Ah, but if it's a Hollywood movie, it'll have a Happy Ending!

At least they will make sense :innocent:

[theevilcliche]

 I just wanted to come on here after my 2nd play through of ME3 and let Casey Hudson and Bioware know that they created a brilliant game, with what I think is a wonderful, beautiful work of art, with an ending I feel is equally as great. After my 1st play through of ME3 i was a lil conflicted. i didnt hate it. but i wasnt sure what to think. but it really takes another play through to realize how amazing it is.  What you guys do w/ your games is leaps and bounds beyond what anyone is doing in this medium today. This series has truely touched me. so from the bottom of my I want to give you my thanx and appreciation...i realize you guys are getting much of either right now. But stay strong. Please dont change the ending. 

[Arivle]

theevilcliche: While we could argue if endings should be pleasing or happy, they surely should not be illogical or poorly performed. See this video (spoilers obviously) [] for a perfect sumarization of all what we hate on ME3 ending. The game itself is good, very good actually (although not perfect but what is). However the ending is NOT no matter how you look at it.

Modifié par Arivle, 20 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[farlander28]

The question of "Should it be a happy-ish ending?" is irrelevent, because the core point is that Bioware promised wildly divergent and comprehensive endings to our stories. They are quoted as saying that we would NOT get generic A, B or C endings, and Ray Myzuka himself promised that all the questions that people want answered would in fact be answered.

The ending they provided is a complete contradiction to that, and they need to either come clean about never truly intending to make good or get to work on providing us what they promised in their ADVERTISING.

Modifié par farlander28, 20 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[Takamori The Templar]

Well while I was playing the game I would give it a 7.5/10
Then ending came 5.5/10

[medusa_hair]

Thedosbox, you said this:

"In other words, leaving some things to the imagination works for me. Other people may feel the need to be spoon-fed all the answers, and I'm sure EA will sell them plenty of DLC as a result."

It doesn't leave 'some things' to the imagination, it leaves everything to the imagination. Especially explaining a few serious logic and plot discrepancies. While I don't mind using my imagination as a general rule, that's not how I want to use it here. If I wanted use my imagination for every single detail of what happens afterward (especially coming from an EMS 5000+ standpoint), I could have saved my money.

Also, I find the statement "...feel the need to be spoon-fed all the answers" to be mildly condescending. I don't want to be spoon-fed the answers; I want to have a hand in creating them! Isn't that what we have been doing for the majority of the three games? Isn't that one of the main things that attracted us to these games in the first place, and kept us coming back? Isn't that one of the things that made these games great?

DLC is the way to go on this, to pick up where it left off ...those who wish to use their imagination can continue to do so, and those who prefer to continue to shape the conclusion in a more concrete manner could do so as well. One way isn't superior to the other in terms of merit, as you imply.

[coolrage]

FU Bioware plus ur lousy ending!!!!
I should punch u all 3 times in the nuts till u see RGB (Red, Green, Blue).
Re-write tha damn finale!!!!

[Bluko]

Arivle wrote...

I can't believe those "art" arguments which I read here can be meant serious. First of all... ME3 ending is no art. The problem is it is not only sad or frustrating but it is also cheap and above all TOTALLY ILLOGICAL.

And second - GAMES ARE NOT ART. Games are for enjoyment of their players. Player is supposed to get what he wants eventually, if he wants to win like a hero he should win like a hero, if he wants to win like a villain he should win like a villain and if he wants to die like a hero/villain he should be allowed that too. If he wants total apocalypse of the world, he should get that as well. That's when a player [ANY PLAYER!] will be satisfied. Problem with ME3 ending is it falls flat on nose in that since it offers nothing, no differentiation just a poor, underdeveloped with fatal lore and logical flaws GENERIC ending, not worth a tiniest bit the great epic series it concludes. And it's not even that "art" at least.

You - you lie!
(Kidding)

Yeah the whole "art" thing is lost on me. I never realized I was paying to see an art piece. I thought I was paying for an epic adventure to somewhat partake in. No one is asking for the Mona Lisa to have a hat painted on top of it. What folks are asking for is a new Mona Lisa, but for this one has a hat. If you like the Mona Lisa as it is just keep it that way bro. And hey just let the rest of us enjoy our Mona Lisa with a hat.

Look either the developers can make an alternate endings or the the fans will. I would not be surprised if some folks were working towards modding the endings somehow already. If the customer really wants something and you can deliver it to them why not do it? People here seem to forget the main reason Garrus and Tali were in ME2 is because that's what fans after ME1 asked them to do. Now if you're going to tell me that having Garrus and Tali didn't make the series better I'd suggest you look for an escape pod.

I'll never understand why some people are so intent that others not be able to enjoy things. And it's a freaking game.  And as far I know adding possibly better endings really shouldn't detract from anyone's previous experience.

[raepox]

Pleas Hudson!! Change the end only 4 people who whants it like me! I hope its not to much to ask? Its simple just make a DLC with a full new last mission. And the people who wants that other ending just have to download it. My english is a way to bad to tell more about it. Pleas the faster u agree the faster u can start with other things then reading those angry post's u could make a lot of people happy with that 1 word AGREE. If u care about ur fans u should do it then! Or u will lose a lot of money! And fans just u didn't agree 1 last mission. all people who thinks thats okey reply! :innocent:<3

Modifié par raepox, 20 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[General Malor]

With what he's said I still want to point out that this game was one of the absolute best gaming experiences I've ever had. More over I felt so involved and engaged. I loved this game. I gave it my heart. And the ending broke it. That's where my issue comes from.

In fact I would say it is exactly like a relationship ended too soon. You're left with questions, frustrations... longings. You just wish someone could wave a magic wand and let you know everything, just give you some closure. That's all that was needed for this to be a mind bogglingly great experience all around. I would even be able to live with my Shepard dying if I was given a epilogue that let me know just how I impacted the galaxy.

Closure, please give me some. I have an entire lifetime's worth of things not working out, of unanswered questions, so please give me this pretend world for closure.

Still... loved it so much.

[raepox]

Yes thats how i feel2!