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[raepox]

Just to be sure that u read it !

Modifié par raepox, 20 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[raepox]

Pleas Hudson!! Change the end only 4 people who whants it like me! I hope its not to much to ask? Its simple just make a DLC with a full new last mission. And the people who wants that other ending just have to download it. My english is a way to bad to tell more about it. Pleas the faster u agree the faster u can start with other things then reading those angry post's u could make a lot of people happy with that 1 word AGREE. If u care about ur fans u should do it then! Or u will lose a lot of money! And fans just u didn't agree 1 last mission. all people who thinks thats okey reply!

[Errant_Geth]

Just cut your losses and run at this point. Accept the fact that the endings are there to stay. Leave Mass Effect behind, like it left you behind.

It's a great feeling of liberation.

I'm not trying to defeat the line holding, I'm all for that. Let them know they're wrong, but for the love of all, don't pay them anything else!

[raepox]

I hope this ends soon!

Modifié par raepox, 20 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Errant_Geth wrote...

Just cut your losses and run at this point. Accept the fact that the endings are there to stay. Leave Mass Effect behind, like it left you behind.

It's a great feeling of liberation.

I'm not trying to defeat the line holding, I'm all for that. Let them know they're wrong, but for the love of all, don't pay them anything else!

As long as one ME fan is still standing , the Reapers ....I mean Bioware/EA haven't won yet.:innocent:

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 20 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[raepox]

Errant_Geth wrote...

Just cut your losses and run at this point. Accept the fact that the endings are there to stay. Leave Mass Effect behind, like it left you behind.

It's a great feeling of liberation.

I'm not trying to defeat the line holding, I'm all for that. Let them know they're wrong, but for the love of all, don't pay them anything else!

                       U dont understand huh? I mean thats your view of the game i respect that! But if whe where all the same it would be boring so they must do whats best for (ALL) of there fans not only 4 those with your way of thinking about that game. I have no problem with u. But just with the fact that they only where thinking about people like u. Sorry 4my bad english!

Modifié par raepox, 20 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Errant_Geth]

raepox, I definitely don't want to sound like I'm giving up on it, I just don't want to get my hopes up is more of an accurate statement.

And I'll stand too, I just won't pay anything else. I'll most likely watch any paid DLC playthroughs on youtube or something.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Errant_Geth wrote...

raepox, I definitely don't want to sound like I'm giving up on it, I just don't want to get my hopes up is more of an accurate statement.

And I'll stand too, I just won't pay anything else. I'll most likely watch any paid DLC playthroughs on youtube or something.

Pretty much my plan , unless I have extra cash to burn at the moment and feel it's really important to have.

[raepox]

Errant_Geth wrote...

raepox, I definitely don't want to sound like I'm giving up on it, I just don't want to get my hopes up is more of an accurate statement.

And I'll stand too, I just won't pay anything else. I'll most likely watch any paid DLC playthroughs on youtube or something.

Don't worry they will listen or they lose a lot of fan's! So don't give up on it! ^_^ They will make every fann happy:blush: But that doesn't mean i hate Bioware there still good but i'm just asking a favor!

[StephanieBengal]

What conclusion? Because those endings are so damn incomplete...I'm putting it nicely.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

raepox wrote...

Errant_Geth wrote...

raepox, I definitely don't want to sound like I'm giving up on it, I just don't want to get my hopes up is more of an accurate statement.

And I'll stand too, I just won't pay anything else. I'll most likely watch any paid DLC playthroughs on youtube or something.

Don't worry they will listen or they lose a lot of fan's! So don't give up on it! ^_^ They will make every fann happy:blush: But that doesn't mean i hate Bioware there still good but i'm just asking a favor!

I don't hate bioware either , even if nothing happens and endings stay the way they are.For me it just means I won't purchase future titles/spin-offs new and will buy used . rented or lower priced.And I won't get invested in the games as much as I am now.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 20 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[raepox]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

raepox wrote...

Errant_Geth wrote...

raepox, I definitely don't want to sound like I'm giving up on it, I just don't want to get my hopes up is more of an accurate statement.

And I'll stand too, I just won't pay anything else. I'll most likely watch any paid DLC playthroughs on youtube or something.

Don't worry they will listen or they lose a lot of fan's! So don't give up on it! ^_^ They will make every fann happy:blush: But that doesn't mean i hate Bioware there still good but i'm just asking a favor!

I don't hate bioware either , even if nothing happens and endings stay the way they are.For me it just means I won't purchase future titles/spin-offs new and will buy used . rented or lower priced.And I won't get invested in the games as much as I am now.

I agree!! I would do the same as u! But i'm pretty sure they will do something about it don't u think so? They r not that cold blooded r they?

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

The thing I don't like about this statement is that it implies an "ending DLC" would be in the same boat as any other DLC. Since the fans asked for it, and it's additional work from BioWare, it should cost money. Normally I might agree, but this is *the end of the game* we're talking about here. Frankly the ending that exists for ME3 probably has less work put into it than the free Firewalker DLC did. LOL Games should come with endings, BioWare. What you have right now barely qualifies. I don't believe they should be sold for an additional premium. And if you do, I'd say chances of me buying it are less than 50%.

Make an ending DLC free. Maybe it's not the best thing for your business in the short term, but you have to stop looking at things that way. Want to make money then? Then come out with another small DLC simultaneously with the ending. People will be so happy with the free ending DLC that they'll go out and buy whatever armor pack or (preferably) N7 mission pack you come out with.

As far as the ending goes, I want to see a lot of our war assets in action. It's actually not impossible to do from a design standpoint. Let's say you have War Asset X. You might see War Asset X in trouble, but if you have War Asset Y or Z, they come to its rescue. If you have both Y and Z, show Y helping out and a slightly altered scene for Z where they are shown killing largely the same Reaper forces, but with a different few seconds at the end so that instead of helping X, they're just doing really good things in the battle. If you have neither Y or Z, but your war assets are very high, X loses a few people but gets out of the situation. There, you've made a few scenes but you've already covered 3 war assets. And you don't have to cover them all. And no, the scenes don't have to be pre-rendered.

Speaking of War Assets scenes, can I have Randall Enzo in the ending somehow? I liked Mass Effect: Infiltrator a lot, but I was kinda expecting a little more in the way of connectivity. Like, maybe even an E-mail? Don't have to remodel Randall Enzo, just use his iPad model from further away. Doesn't need to be a huge scene, just maybe he shoots a couple of Reaper husk/etc dudes and the scene ends with him firing on a Reaper with his M-333. Just a couple of seconds.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 20 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[Buffy-Summers]

The reason why the critics all loved it is cause none of them every get to finish a game for a review, well very few of them every make it to the ending before press or post time.

They have a time limit. They have multiple reviews.


The reason people are upset is the ending, critics dont see the ending. That moots the major points of this entire thread

[Arik7]

What conclusion? It didn't feel like there was one.

[Stronglav]

You can't make a game in two years.Specially the Grand Finale of a Mass Effect trilogy.
And after EA bought the Bioware they stopped making games with soul.
It's all about money now.And I'm speaking on behalf of all russian gamers who play this game.

[Taura-Tierno]

medusa_hair wrote...
It's precisely because it was such a fantastic experience that the ending was so disappointing and is causing such an uproar. I submit that this is not the same as a book, movie, or TV series - we had a hand in developing Shepard's story, whereas with those other forms of media, we are simply the spectator. As a result, when that participation is taken away from us only at the very end, when it is arguably most important to the story, it's natural to feel, let's say, less than satisfied.

Everyone isn't asking for their money back; that's pretty extreme, I think, as is the tone of some of the discontent.  However, you know they are going to start pumping out the DLC.  They can certainly include a DLC that contains a more complete ending for those of us who want it.  And that doesn't make us unreasonable or entitled...it's not any different than saying "gee, I'd like to have some DLC about Dekanna".  Those who like the ending can simply decline to purchase the DLC, that's all.

Acutally, it happens what fans get a slight say in the what happens in tv-series. Perhaps not so much books (since they tend to be planned thoroughly from the beginning). 

My original point wasn't directed at those like you, who're simply disappointed. That's perfectly fine. I'm not as disappointed as I think you are, but I don't blame you for being so, and I don't hold it against you. 

My point was directed at those who're raging furiously to the point of demanding free compensation. That's not fine. I mean, you can cry and demand all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that no matter how the ending could've been made, even if it had been totally different, there would always have been some people that would've wanted their money back because the game "sucked". There's never been a game that everyone have been satisfied with. There were people who hated and were disappointed with DA:O - a game that most people seemed to be at least fine with. 

There is no inherent right, like Getorex claimed, for a consumer of art to demand refunds when the art was not appreciated. Doesn't matter if the marketing didn't meet your expectations. When you buy a video game, you do so fully aware that there's a risk you won't like it. The risk might've been minor with ME3 if you liked the first two games, but everyone should also be aware that the conclusion of anything that's been produced in the form of a series runs a significantly higher risk of being a let-down - especially where the ending is concerned. That risk is always present. Buying a game is an investment in entertainment; if might pay itself back in plenty of enjoyment, or it might be wasted on something you don't ever want to play again. 

That's reality. 

[StrickenMaverick]

Wow, he managed to say something while at the same time saying nothing.

At this point I will no longer purchase any games with the Bioware logo attached. I might just be moving on to a new series that doesn't kick you in the nuts when you're not looking.

[iAmWhitey]

Well, I wouldn't have minded waiting a few more months for further development if I knew what I would get when I got the game on march 6 but, I digress.

There is so much missing from the last 20-15 minutes of the game. Its filled with so many loopholes. I don't even know what to think. But im sure you have been reading the communities theories about all that stuff.

Even if that whole ending was what the theories are.  You had to have known that not a single person was going to like it. We wanted/expected the game to have a finish/ending. Instead we got even more questions and a sense of emptiness with a side of depression. Everyone is upset and confused and just ugghhh!!

All I can say now is,
Was it worth it Bioware? Was it worth your fame?, your fanbase?, any chance of having completely loyal fans for any future games/DLC you had planned?  Do you realize how much you have hurt your fanbase?

Im just disappointed thats all Bioware, you built Mass Effect up as a series just to throw it all away at the very end...
Only DLC can save you now.

Edit: made it more spoiler free

Modifié par iAmWhitey, 20 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[MalevoIence]

It's unfortunate so many developed a militant attitude and approach to voice their opinions, when feedback would have worked just as well

Modifié par MalevoIence, 20 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[ile_1979]

thedosbox wrote...

xexys wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Except that you enjoyed the other cookies in the pack when they were fresh.

True. Then you find out after reading the empty wrapper to the third pack, that they've all been made out of cardboard, feces, and artificial flavorings since the beginning. Doesn't really matter how tasty they were at the time. Now that you know what's up, it kinda makes it hard to go back for additional helpings.

(Not to mention, you're really not looking forward to any more "tasty confectionaries" the company might offer.)

Well, that's your fault for not reading the label on the first box

Except for the fact, the manufacturer stated the contents are vanilla, sugar and chocolate on those first packages <_<

[ile_1979]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

The reason why the critics all loved it is cause none of them every get to finish a game for a review, well very few of them every make it to the ending before press or post time.

They have a time limit. They have multiple reviews.


The reason people are upset is the ending, critics dont see the ending. That moots the major points of this entire thread

The critics practically didn't review the game at all. Unless you count selective reviewing as such. And i'm not talking about the scores given. I can see different people socring the same apspects in different ways (alhtough the universal aclaim is mind bogging), but i can't understand the qualitative analasys, or the lack of it. How many reviews stated the game has broken custim face importing on day one? How many faced he issue so save game impoting problems? How many adressed the day one DLC present in the code? The lack of holster action/animation? One button to do 'em all? 

There you go, without the ending issue, you have quite a few drops there. Even with a perfect ending this game still has issues. Were they adressed by the majority of the reviews? Or even mentioned in passing? The face import is a major issue for some people. I'd take away 10 out of 100 points on that alone. Add the other issues and a perfect score for this game is 8-8.5 (without the tunel ending added, that would be another -1.5 or -2). But if catters your ego, give it 10, just mention the stuff that is broken, so people will know what to expect....

[Gosia]

Maroon10 wrote...

I think the ending was incredibly powerful, original, and brilliant, that said, I hated it! The Mass Effect franchise can't end that way. They just need to add a 4th option that is something like (Spoiler!) No! I'm not playing by your rules any more!  Then
you blow up the Citadel and all the reapers crash and blow up, Before the Citadel blows you find a space suit and jump for it. Joker pulls the Normandy around and catches you, then you
see like a fifteen minute cut scene of all the survivors rebuilding and
enjoying a perfect victory. Then the last scene will be of Shepard
kissing Miranda or whoever his or her love interest is on a beach on
Earth or maybe in full armor still serving with a few scars depending on what you say to Kaiden. That's what everyone wanted in the first place and it will still leave your first three options as part of the game, just as intact as they were before.

Well that doesn't sound bad to me, would be a nice change, and a tribute to ME convention

[Gosia]

Cheburator987 wrote...

You can't make a game in two years.Specially the Grand Finale of a Mass Effect trilogy.
And after EA bought the Bioware they stopped making games with soul.
It's all about money now.And I'm speaking on behalf of all russian gamers who play this game.

You know I can’t help thinking that that’s exactly the case. I for instance didn’t get my
collector’s edition (pre-ordered end of December)  because EA decided that they won’t make as much
profit on it in my country as they would like to and limited the number sent to
my country (Poland). So by the end of February I, among others, found out that
I won’t be getting my game. Such things didn't happen when Bio Ware wasn't EA's property.

Modifié par Gosia, 20 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[omegasama]

tvih wrote...

omegasama wrote...
Consideing how you played these games and how much the choices mattered, the way they ended the franchise sort of ruins the whole journey. If everything you do, all those choices and all that time spent gathering allies and such boils down to 3 "choices" with equally bad outcomes, then what is the point of the journey?

Or as Getorex said: "You still get the rope".

What is the point of the journey? In this case, having fun and enjoying the missions, characters, plot, action and so forth. Even if ME3 was never released, I still would have enjoyed the first two. It's really that simple.

Seriously, I get that people aren't satisfied with the ending. I understand the reasons. I'm not really satisfied myself. But I honestly don't understand how it can suddenly invalidate the whole journey for some. Dying's pretty crappy, yet we all die eventually - does that invalidate our entire lives? Maybe you're a real-life war hero and saved dozens of lives in the war but also had to sacrifice a few in some tough decisions... then survived the war only to get overrun by a drunk driver, spend a year as a veggie and then die when they finally pull the plug. Sucks, right? And clearly because you ended in a bad way, those lives you saved and everything else you did in life meant nothing too! 
It's a cheap analogy I know, but yet that's basically accurate. 

Hell, in the end this IS just entertainment - even if it doesn't end perfectly it's just not that serious. It was still fun on the way getting there. It's not a time machine that erases the past, after all. I suppose one way to put it is the old saying... it's better to have loved and lost than never have loved at all.

I play to be entertained, to be the hero and to escape reality, isn't that the whole point in playing a video-game in the first place? I bought the games so I could replay them eventually, but now.... I am not so sure I want to. I am not a hero in this game, I am a character that unites the galaxy only to suddenly commit out of character choices, believing in out of character things and in the end commiting some of the most atrochious acts I have ever seen in a game.

There is nothing bittersweet with this ending, it is something that left me feeling I had just wasted 100+ hours, several replays and my money on something that boils down to nothing. Shepard didn't get a choice in the matter, hell I didn't get any choice in the matter. I was forced into playing a character that was to out of wack with the rest of the games that it left me feeling angry and betrayed.

Yes, in the end this is "just" entertainment, but it is also a product, and I as the consumer, having spent quite a bit of money on this product, is NOT satisfied. And as the right of a consumer is to let the company know when their product is subpar I, and the rest of us, are doing so. It is time Bioware and EA and other game companies start to respect their consumers. We pay for their games, our word of mouth sell more than ads do after the ads go away. It is our good will they need to survive, our money, not the critics.

And no, we are not being "entitled", we are being consumers dissatisfied with what we were got, it wasn't what they promised.