Getorex wrote...
Ok with me because Shepard is clearly still alive in the rubble...
Arivle wrote...
Getorex wrote...
Ok with me because Shepard is clearly still alive in the rubble...
Just one question... "How on Earth did she/he survived?" Oh, here we go again...
It's not (just) the lack of happy ending, it's utter lack of *logical* ending. And this one is just the tiniest hole of all in those painfully long short 10 minutes.
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Arivle wrote...
Getorex: Yeah, I agree. In short... The ending is ok as long as it will be completely replaced by some others. :-) Others - not another - since we should get what we want and based on how we shaped our personal - unique - Shepard. Not - click your favourite color and laugh or cry depending on your nature. ;-)
Alethir wrote...
I've done 3 playthroughs in the past year and I got the same ending for ME2 each time. I guess its because I had played everything before the suicide mission (all loyalty missions etc) and all the choices you can make on the suicide mission to get the "best ending" were the ones I was going to make anyway, so I got the everyone survives each time.
Isn't it obvious that they couldn't have vastly different endings at the end of the game this time? How would they ever hope to make more games set in the same universe in the future if there was a vast difference of endings. Say they made an ending where the Reapers win and you fail, how on Earth would they be able to explain a new game unless it was a game that was based on synthetics. Especially if someone else got an ending where synthetic life was destroyed and organics were the only ones left. Their intentions from the very start was to wrap up everything in this one while leaving the series open to continue. They were always going to end Shepard's story. Atleast they were thoughtful enough to provide an ending that left you with the opportunity to ultimately decide what happens to your Commander Shepard.
For example in mine Shepard survived and destroyed all synthetic life. He's stuck on the Citadel and the Mass Relays are destroyed. The remains of each species fleets are all stuck in the Sol system now so what are they going to do? Well they could decide to send all of their scientific minds to the Citadel and try and reverse engineer technology. Surely there will be secrets on board that they could eventually discover and use considering its probably the oldest and most advanced piece of technology known. Or maybe they will all fail and die, its up for me to decide.
The only part of the ending I didn't like was why the Normandy had decided to bail on the battle and fly through the Mass Relay. Does that ruin it? Not at all. Maybe there will be a DLC where you get to find out. Maybe Hackett wanted to preserve the most advance ship in the Alliance fleet from whatever was about to happen, they had no idea what the Crucible would do so sending them away would make sense. Maybe Joker somehow found out what Shepard was going to do and was trying to save EDI.
Getorex wrote...
Alethir wrote...
I've done 3 playthroughs in the past year and I got the same ending for ME2 each time. I guess its because I had played everything before the suicide mission (all loyalty missions etc) and all the choices you can make on the suicide mission to get the "best ending" were the ones I was going to make anyway, so I got the everyone survives each time.
Isn't it obvious that they couldn't have vastly different endings at the end of the game this time? How would they ever hope to make more games set in the same universe in the future if there was a vast difference of endings. Say they made an ending where the Reapers win and you fail, how on Earth would they be able to explain a new game unless it was a game that was based on synthetics. Especially if someone else got an ending where synthetic life was destroyed and organics were the only ones left. Their intentions from the very start was to wrap up everything in this one while leaving the series open to continue. They were always going to end Shepard's story. Atleast they were thoughtful enough to provide an ending that left you with the opportunity to ultimately decide what happens to your Commander Shepard.
For example in mine Shepard survived and destroyed all synthetic life. He's stuck on the Citadel and the Mass Relays are destroyed. The remains of each species fleets are all stuck in the Sol system now so what are they going to do? Well they could decide to send all of their scientific minds to the Citadel and try and reverse engineer technology. Surely there will be secrets on board that they could eventually discover and use considering its probably the oldest and most advanced piece of technology known. Or maybe they will all fail and die, its up for me to decide.
The only part of the ending I didn't like was why the Normandy had decided to bail on the battle and fly through the Mass Relay. Does that ruin it? Not at all. Maybe there will be a DLC where you get to find out. Maybe Hackett wanted to preserve the most advance ship in the Alliance fleet from whatever was about to happen, they had no idea what the Crucible would do so sending them away would make sense. Maybe Joker somehow found out what Shepard was going to do and was trying to save EDI.
Timing was also an issue for ME2. If you didn't do certain missions within a certain short period of each other, it was virtually impossible to keep loyalty of every member even if you did their loyalty mission to perfection (the issue I mean is Miranda vs Jack - you can get both their loyalties by doing their mission and then STILL lose one or the other's loyalty - thus endangering them in the suicide mission - if you don't time both loyalty missions right).
The problem of future titles is not saved by the current endings. The relays are toast. They are GONE. There is no more Mass Effect universe. Galactic civilization, trade, is impossible without the relays. In EVERY option at the end of ME3 the relays are toast. That terminates future Mass Effect games right there.
As for the escaping Normandy. That cannot be wiggled out of, the holes. In my fight at the end, Garrus and Liara were with me. Magically they are now in the Normandy far FAR away? My LI would abandon me? Hell, why did the Normandy even have to run at all? It could have stayed planetside and everyone would have been fine in the synthesis ending OR the destroy ending. The only ending that called for "run away! run away!" was the "continue your mission Reaper dudes!" ending. Synthesis ONLY causes the rasterization of Shepard into bits - he's physically dead but not DEAD dead - he lives on in the supermind now and controls the Reapers (who quit their attack, you notice, and leave). Why did they run from that? They didn't know what Shepard was going to do. Presumably they trusted him with whatever he was going to do.
Two endings (red and green) did NOT require the cowardly run to Jurassic Park.
Modifié par Getorex, 20 mars 2012 - 04:37 .
Alethir wrote...
The relays are toast true, but that doesn't mean that in the future (like when the stargazer is speaking to his child) people, life, won't find a way of once again reaching the stars and reconnecting with each other. We have no way of knowing how far in the future that is except that Shepard's time was long, long ago as stated by the stargazer. It's set up for a whole new story, in the same universe just a different time. That kid could grow up to admire the tales of "The Shepard" and a whole new storyline could develop, featuring him as the main protagonist. While (for me anyway!) it was the perfect way to conclude our current story, it was also the perfect way to say there's more to come.
ile_1979 wrote...
Alethir wrote...
The relays are toast true, but that doesn't mean that in the future (like when the stargazer is speaking to his child) people, life, won't find a way of once again reaching the stars and reconnecting with each other. We have no way of knowing how far in the future that is except that Shepard's time was long, long ago as stated by the stargazer. It's set up for a whole new story, in the same universe just a different time. That kid could grow up to admire the tales of "The Shepard" and a whole new storyline could develop, featuring him as the main protagonist. While (for me anyway!) it was the perfect way to conclude our current story, it was also the perfect way to say there's more to come.
It's not the relays that prohibit more Mass Effect themed games, it's the 3 crappy endings. You can't get a contiunation that would follow all 3 choices. In example in a world with no sinthetics there would be no AIs, in a world with Reapers their threat would still loom, in world of synthezis neither of the above would be valid. So your universe is dead already (from a sequel point of view). Why not make more endings then?
Modifié par Ender_OM, 20 mars 2012 - 05:06 .
Modifié par voteDC, 20 mars 2012 - 05:32 .
killerninjakyle9000 wrote...
I really enjoyed the ending. It kept up with the theme of the entire series. The theme of sacrifice. I just hope Bioware does not change the ending because once this happens everyone will think its ok to complain to get the ending to every game re-written. I applaud Bioware for the creative choice of making such a polarizing ending. I really hate to sound like a brown noser but I figured it's worth it because I do not want to rewrite the history of my Commander Shepard.
Modifié par Ender_OM, 20 mars 2012 - 05:57 .
voteDC wrote...
That I think is a problem a lot of people have. They are seeing people complaining about the ending and are assuming that those folk dislike the entire game.
killerninjakyle9000 wrote...
I really enjoyed the ending. It kept up with the theme of the entire series. The theme of sacrifice. I just hope Bioware does not change the ending because once this happens everyone will think its ok to complain to get the ending to every game re-written. I applaud Bioware for the creative choice of making such a polarizing ending. I really hate to sound like a brown noser but I figured it's worth it because I do not want to rewrite the history of my Commander Shepard.
Modifié par LordDain, 20 mars 2012 - 06:01 .
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