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[Aggressor01]

So after reading the words of Casey Hudson. Its just more of the same..WTF is going on feelings???

Talks about love to game and characters. Dont think he personally feels any love to them. Its a written statement made together with lawyers...Bla bla bla

Dont forget to buy more DLC that they are working on. Bla bla bla....

Continue the stories with Commander Shepard...Bla bla bla. Btw, how can we do that when he is dead. Dont want a prequal to ME1 when i know how it all ends in ME3.

If Casey dont really care, why should we. There is plenty of other games out there. Ban me,burn me or stone me Bioware. It makes no difference. Truth is you messed it up. You gambled and lost. Unfortunately your loss takes your fans down with you. The trust that was build up between gamer and developers since 2007 have been destroyed.

The name BioWare is dying. Just like the Mass relays in the ending. It will spread on and out, till nothing is left of BioWare...

With the best of intentions/Patrick

Modifié par Aggressor01, 20 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[ttttvvvvnnnnmm]

Freskione2 wrote...

I have been watching these various 'hate the ending, shame on Bioware', DLC outrage threads for 2 weeks and was very leery as to what might happen when I finally finished.
So, I just finished last night and I'm still trying to sort out what happened? Not that I hated the ending (very theatrical and cinematic) but it wasn't very clear. I thought there were supposed to be multiple choice endings based on your playthrough? I guess thats not the case from all I've been reading.
I can't say I feel angry or cheated as I enjoyed the game very much. However, the ending did leave me feeling as though I was blind sided and thinking, what just happened? What did I pick? Did I pick? Will I get a different ending if I play through again, which is what I thought was supposed to happen. Is this a set up for a sequel? Etc etc.
Can't say I'm so upset as to file a frekkin law suit but the hype was so built up about the various endings that I can very much understand why people are so angry and feel cheated. I don't need a happily ever after ending but I was expecting a variety of endings with optimal outcomes, which is no more than was promised for the past 8 years.

I think that's the big gripe.  People have been building their Shep for years with hundreds of gameplay hrs invested and desitions made, but when you get to the end it's the same for every Shep.
I wasn't angry after the conclution.  I just felt like I was gipped.  It was very anti climatic.

[Getorex]

Some people are asking for (demanding) and EXPLICITLY happy ending. Unambiguous and clear. Among these are people who want to outright SEE Shepard with his/her love interest at he end...and they lived happily ever after, all faerytale. I'm not one of these and do not believe it is even necessary (nor is it likely).

All I want are multiple endings sort of like we have now BUT that are open enough that they allow reasonable imagination that there IS a happy ending there. So, for me the red ending is a template for a sorta happy ending (not cool with killing EDI and the Geth) - it would simply require that the Normandy NOT leave the Earth system and the Relays NOT blow up but simply deactivate/go dark.

See? The red ending has a fast glimpse (for some people with enough points and readiness, etc) of Shepard in the rubble on the Citadel take a sudden, ragged breath after the sound of his LI says, "I love you" in a dreamy fashion. That's enough for me to take it from there and imagine that Shepard is alive. The fact that the Normandy is still in the Sol system with the crew (perhaps a flash of them including your LI) would be enough to go further with your imagination. Nothing is explicitly shown, just flashes, but the flashes allow a REASONABLE imagining that Shepard is alive, is found, and can ultimately get back with the crew and LI. It is not absolutely cut off from possibility. The way the ending is now, it IS impossible. They went through a Relay that then blew up. Shep alive or dead is irrelevant at that point because they are forever separated from him (or her). Don't proscribe certain imaginings with the ending but you also don't need to explicitly lay them out for view to make it happy.

Furthermore, with inactive/deactivated Relays, one can IMAGINE that they might be able to be studied and perhaps reactivated.  This would certainly be easier than having to come up with a new relay system from scratch.  More hope right there.

Modifié par Getorex, 20 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[avantoreon]

I'm not sure that Casey Hudson's statement actually articulates why I'm disappointed with the ending. I'm mainly disappointed because it doesn't make any sense, not because of a lack of closure.

[Freskione2]

ttttvvvvnnnnmm wrote...

Freskione2 wrote...

I have been watching these various 'hate the ending, shame on Bioware', DLC outrage threads for 2 weeks and was very leery as to what might happen when I finally finished.
So, I just finished last night and I'm still trying to sort out what happened? Not that I hated the ending (very theatrical and cinematic) but it wasn't very clear. I thought there were supposed to be multiple choice endings based on your playthrough? I guess thats not the case from all I've been reading.
I can't say I feel angry or cheated as I enjoyed the game very much. However, the ending did leave me feeling as though I was blind sided and thinking, what just happened? What did I pick? Did I pick? Will I get a different ending if I play through again, which is what I thought was supposed to happen. Is this a set up for a sequel? Etc etc.
Can't say I'm so upset as to file a frekkin law suit but the hype was so built up about the various endings that I can very much understand why people are so angry and feel cheated. I don't need a happily ever after ending but I was expecting a variety of endings with optimal outcomes, which is no more than was promised for the past 8 years.

I think that's the big gripe.  People have been building their Shep for years with hundreds of gameplay hrs invested and desitions made, but when you get to the end it's the same for every Shep.
I wasn't angry after the conclution.  I just felt like I was gipped.  It was very anti climatic.

I understand completely and that is disappointing since I was kinda hoping to play through numberous times like I did the othe games and have it end slightly different. Guess they shouldn't have advertised it as a unique game in that regard if they weren't capable of pulling it off or unwilling too so that they could make the release date. Who knows their reasoning behind it as they seem to be watching what they say and how they say it before actually saying anything weight worthy.
However, I would like to say that I think they did an amazing job overall but in this one area, they seemed to have blown it completely and unfortunately it was a rather major blow out.

[FOX216BC]

Well well the new york times and penny arcade.
I wonder if they have more people that finished ME3(or even the entire trilogy) than your own
mass effect community mister Hudson?

[Getorex]

Casey Hudson and Bioware: how about an ADJUSTMENT to the endings. Sure, more varied endings would be nice given that many would like to run a number of different Sheps through the game and would expect to see something different at the end for each (not window dressing deaths, but something more substantive). Among the things that could be tweaked to improve upon the endings: the Normandy does not high-tail it out of dodge and run away through a mass relay just before it explodes. There was no logical reason for the Normandy and its crew to abandon Shepard alone on the Citadel that way. No way. So, the Normandy stays local. Second, do not blow up the Relays in all endings. Deactivate them instead. Deactivation allows for one to imagine that they may be able to be reactivated within a reasonable span of time, perhaps within one lifetime...maybe. That's hope. Hope for the galaxy, hope for the races otherwise stuck in the Sol system. Hope. Also, the Normandy sticking around Earth makes more sense as far as loyalty to Shepard. They WOULD NOT RUN. It allows the red ending with Shepard taking a quick breath in the rubble to offer hope. Hope that he is still alive (maybe). Hope that he will be found and be OK (maybe). Hope that he will be able to reunite with the crew of the Normandy (and his LI...again some HOPE). This doesn't EXPLICITLY show anything particularly happy and clear. But it certainly doesn't make it impossible the way ALL current endings do. There is NO hope, even with synthesis ending where the only person screwed is Shepard who gets rezzed into bitcode. Everyone else everywhere else is still alive. Ok, kinda hopey. But you blew the mass relays! DEACTIVATE THEM INSTEAD. Leave out some HOPE that they are repairable.

See? Minor tweaks CAN go a long way. Better would be minor tweaks like this plus a bit more to show that different Shepards get different results. But hey, baby steps.

[Kirakira]

 First of all, let me say that I'm emotionally exhausted after playing Mass Effect 3. I have never had an experience with a game that has allowed me to put so much of myself into a character when making hard choice like the ones Shepard was constantly faced with. I loved the series from start to finish and I'm as pleased with this game as I am with just about any game BioWare has made thus far.

Now to business. Please not I'm not trolling, simply making a point.
This campaign for a new ending to the game has long since gotten ridiculous. I understand everyone's frustration about not getting the ending they wanted. But complaints to the Federal Trade Commission is taking it to the n'th degree. We have all played games, seen movies, and read books that were great, but had endings that were less than what we wanted. But we let it go and moved on because, despite the ending, we enjoyed getting there. Now I can appreciate that Mass Effect is such a cherished series that it warrants an outcry of this magnitude, but rewriting the ending of this game is madness. First of all, if BioWare were to actually do this (I don't think they should) and release it as DLC,  people will be complaining that they have to pay for it. Do not tell me this won't happen because people complain about paying for DLC all the time and this won't be an exception. Secondly the message that is being sent here is that the gaming community will try to seize creative control whenever the writers displease them. Next we'll be demanding rewrites of the endings to games such as Red Dead Redemption, Fallout, Fable, the Final Fantasy games, Knights of the Old Republic, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, LA Noire, etc. That is the message being sent here, no matter how you try to spin, justify, or rationalize it. As I said before, I understand the frustration. But the impact that this could have concerning future games needs to be considered first. 

Personally, I would much rather see BioWare produce content that shows the battle as it was taking place in orbit while Shepard was on the ground, a campaign featuring Anderson while he was on Earth coordinating the Alliance while Shepard was rallying the rest of the galaxy against the Reapers or maybe something with Major Coats since he was in the original teaser trailer for the game in the first place. Perhaps something explaining how he ended up stuck inside Big Ben and how he escaped and hooked up with Anderson afterwards. That's something better. And who knows? It could be possible that BioWare has an ace in the hole and the'll get it out faster if people stop complaining about this for five minutes.

[avatar2396]

One of my biggest problems is how the reapers are the galactic janitors. This is starting to become a bad trend in sci-fi oriented medium. Everything has to be explained. NO IT DOESNT. They should of just left it at the reapers are here to destroy your civilization and you need to stop them. We dont need some we are destroying you to protect you theme. Also this idea is way out from left field as well. What happened to the dark energy idea which was a strong theme in the quarian part of me2? This game is like someone with a bipolar disorder

[windkayak]

So this is tuesday,and after Hudson's PR stunt i was like "****... won't buy the game if they think like this"

So this was the day i said i would buy the game,and i decided i'm going to do so.I have to show some faith in this company hoping that they are going to make things right and fix this mess,if they don't,it will be the last i'm buying.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Maybe Mr. Hudson should have been a diplomat or a politician, because he has an amazing capacity to speak so many words while saying absolutely nothing.

Well, that's not true, he did tell us how wrong we all are since New York Times and Penny Arcade said it's all ok...

[avatar2396]

Kirakira wrote...

 First of all, let me say that I'm emotionally exhausted after playing Mass Effect 3. I have never had an experience with a game that has allowed me to put so much of myself into a character when making hard choice like the ones Shepard was constantly faced with. I loved the series from start to finish and I'm as pleased with this game as I am with just about any game BioWare has made thus far.

Now to business. Please not I'm not trolling, simply making a point.
This campaign for a new ending to the game has long since gotten ridiculous. I understand everyone's frustration about not getting the ending they wanted. But complaints to the Federal Trade Commission is taking it to the n'th degree. We have all played games, seen movies, and read books that were great, but had endings that were less than what we wanted. But we let it go and moved on because, despite the ending, we enjoyed getting there. Now I can appreciate that Mass Effect is such a cherished series that it warrants an outcry of this magnitude, but rewriting the ending of this game is madness. First of all, if BioWare were to actually do this (I don't think they should) and release it as DLC,  people will be complaining that they have to pay for it. Do not tell me this won't happen because people complain about paying for DLC all the time and this won't be an exception. Secondly the message that is being sent here is that the gaming community will try to seize creative control whenever the writers displease them. Next we'll be demanding rewrites of the endings to games such as Red Dead Redemption, Fallout, Fable, the Final Fantasy games, Knights of the Old Republic, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, LA Noire, etc. That is the message being sent here, no matter how you try to spin, justify, or rationalize it. As I said before, I understand the frustration. But the impact that this could have concerning future games needs to be considered first. 

Personally, I would much rather see BioWare produce content that shows the battle as it was taking place in orbit while Shepard was on the ground, a campaign featuring Anderson while he was on Earth coordinating the Alliance while Shepard was rallying the rest of the galaxy against the Reapers or maybe something with Major Coats since he was in the original teaser trailer for the game in the first place. Perhaps something explaining how he ended up stuck inside Big Ben and how he escaped and hooked up with Anderson afterwards. That's something better. And who knows? It could be possible that BioWare has an ace in the hole and the'll get it out faster if people stop complaining about this for five minutes.

Precedence was already set with fallout 3 i believ. That lawsuit is absolutey stupid, i do agree witht hat. It actually does more harm than good if someone wanted to have the ending changed, modified, added to, etc.

[avatar2396]

windkayak wrote...

So this is tuesday,and after Hudson's PR stunt i was like "****... won't buy the game if they think like this"

So this was the day i said i would buy the game,and i decided i'm going to do so.I have to show some faith in this company hoping that they are going to make things right and fix this mess,if they don't,it will be the last i'm buying.

Dont sweat the ending too much. The rest of the game is great. I was in a similar position while playing. Try to at least enjoy the ride. Im going through a 2nd playthrough and will stop before things get bad. After that im going to go through me1 and 2 again and if anything comes to be changed by that time the changes or lack there of will be known

[windkayak]

avatar2396 wrote...

windkayak wrote...

So this is tuesday,and after Hudson's PR stunt i was like "****... won't buy the game if they think like this"

So this was the day i said i would buy the game,and i decided i'm going to do so.I have to show some faith in this company hoping that they are going to make things right and fix this mess,if they don't,it will be the last i'm buying.

Dont sweat the ending too much. The rest of the game is great. I was in a similar position while playing. Try to at least enjoy the ride. Im going through a 2nd playthrough and will stop before things get bad. After that im going to go through me1 and 2 again and if anything comes to be changed by that time the changes or lack there of will be known

I've already finished the Pirate copy,i'm paying for this because i really like mass effect and bioware,if their policy remains the same,i have 30 days to return the game and buy another from a different company that doesn't involve EA,what i want to show with this is,i can remove my support should their words be hollow.Even if it's just me and the copy i bought,and i know i'm one in thousands? 1 million? If they don't respect the "little guy" then the little guy doesn't have to respect them.Actions in the end dictate victors

Modifié par windkayak, 20 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[jackyboy666]

I just wanted a happy ending =(

[ragnorok87]

please show this to bioware, they all DESPERATELY NEED TO SEE THIS.

this link to a youtube perfectly describes frustration and hate toward the mass effect 3 ending. also it is done tastefully without swearing and being vulgar. please check this out

[SmellyMetal]

"Casey Hudson discusses the conclusion of Mass Effect 3 "

LOL! Is it me or he didn't discuss the conclusion?

All I see is him saying the New York Times liked the game, oh - and that "only" the most fanatic fans wanted more time to say goodbye to Shep. W T F ??????

Modifié par SmellyMetal, 20 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[Mad-Max90]

I love mass effect 1, I liked mass effect 2...I almost loved mass effect 3, I feel like I should love it, because it truly is or at least would have been great had the ending not been so…farfetched even for a sci-fi game, it just seemed like they made up the kid really quick and said "this guy you've never heard about or seen is the bad guy, oh and no matter what you pick, it's worse than letting the reapers wipe out the civilised galaxy, because the mass relay explosions totally destroyed the solar systems with those civilisations" hell it almost seems like conventional warfare would have been best

[amelonbread]

Closure? If by "closure" he means closing up gaping plot holes and making the 16 endings he promised, then yeah, I could do with more closure.

While he's at it he can change the teaser from "Take Earth Back" to "It Doesn't Matter."

Modifié par amelonbread, 20 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Mad-Max90]

Also, I would have thought bioware learned their lesson about having a solid ending when Dragon Age 2 failed miserably to deliver an ending at all. The only game bioware has made recently that I can't stop playing is SWTOR, and it's because of that game I will continue to play bioware games. At the very most dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 have taught me to be more cautious of upcoming bioware games, I will stop preordering their games now. That being said, the team who worked on mass effect's multiplayer did an outstanding job, it's sad that a story driven game's best feature is it's multiplayer

[monshael]

spoilers ahead

[Canis_Major]

Casey Hudson's letter only objective was to cause "lots of speculation" i guess.

Because otherwise it's hard to understand how can he be so completely lost about what are the issues with ME3, which he of course does not address in his letter at all.

Guess he is trying to protect his work from harsh criticism. But its very childish to believe that because he doesnt talk about the problems he/BW have created they are going to dissapear.

oh, and by the way....NYT talked good about ME3? Ok, but Forbes did the opposite. Who wins?

[SmellyMetal]

While he's at it he can change the teaser from "Take Earth Back" to "It Doesn't Matter."

This:D

[Dezerte]

I want an ending without plotholes, and with a proper ending.

The Indoc Theory that's going around on the forums would plug them, though I'm not saying it has to be that, just a suggestion.

Also, what happend to the dark energy thing? I saw a video on youtube talking about that ending it made a lot of sense as well.

So, the problem with the ending was not that it was controversial as many seem to believe, the problem is the plotholes and the lazy ending.

Modifié par Dezman8, 20 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[avatar2396]

windkayak wrote...

avatar2396 wrote...

windkayak wrote...

So this is tuesday,and after Hudson's PR stunt i was like "****... won't buy the game if they think like this"

So this was the day i said i would buy the game,and i decided i'm going to do so.I have to show some faith in this company hoping that they are going to make things right and fix this mess,if they don't,it will be the last i'm buying.

Dont sweat the ending too much. The rest of the game is great. I was in a similar position while playing. Try to at least enjoy the ride. Im going through a 2nd playthrough and will stop before things get bad. After that im going to go through me1 and 2 again and if anything comes to be changed by that time the changes or lack there of will be known

I've already finished the Pirate copy,i'm paying for this because i really like mass effect and bioware,if their policy remains the same,i have 30 days to return the game and buy another from a different company that doesn't involve EA,what i want to show with this is,i can remove my support should their words be hollow.Even if it's just me and the copy i bought,and i know i'm one in thousands? 1 million? If they don't respect the "little guy" then the little guy doesn't have to respect them.Actions in the end dictate victors

oh interesting idea. Carry on then!