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[Starchs]

The majority are saying that your ending sucks and misleading.

[Getorex]

I posted this to another thread but it bears repeating here for those who LOVED the ending or thought it was full of hope like Hudson says. This ignores the illogic of the endings (Normandy RUNNING AWAY FOR NO REASON and blowing up relays, etc) and gets to the point of why the ending had no hope in it whatsoever:

Thought experiment for you folks who think the current ending (with stargazer et al) is all hopey.

How many people crew the Normandy? Let's say 30. How many men, how many women? Let's make it easy and say it's 50:50. OK, so the crashland on goofy planet and later they have apparently created a civilization that produced startgazer and the little kid he tells stories to. How did they do this?

Let's make this simple. Let's say we have 8 people, 4 men, 4 women. This gives us 4 couples (we ignore the fun and kinky partner swap because this doesn't help matters one bit). These 4 couples have 2 kids each (doesn't matter how many they have, 2, 3, 8, 10, the results will be the same) - one boy, one girl. This is the F1 generation. OK, how many possible mate groups can each boy or girl in F1 select from for their own mate to avoid incest? Three. Each boy and each girl have 3 groups of siblings from which to choose a mate. They make babies (F2). Doesn't matter how many. How many groups are available for mate choice for THIS generation to avoid incest? Two. Do you see the problem? Do you see what's happening? Even if you start with 15 couples, you still end in the same place just a few generations later. In no time at all, you cannot mate anymore because EVERYONE will be a half-sibling to someone else. Everyone.

See? The Normandy crew are royally f*cked. They survived but it would be horribly unethical, even immoral, for any of them to have kids. There can never be a stargazer and a kid to tell stories to. They cannot happen. The crash of the Normandy is full of hopelessness, not hope, especially since the relays are gone. Game over, so to speak. So even those who LIKE the ending...you are full of beans...or you find hope in brother-sister sex.

Modifié par Getorex, 20 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[ragnorok87]

hey does anyone know how i can contact someone from bioware or casey hudson himself.... i have a few things to say to him and so do the VAST MAJORITY of mass effect fans not the few *frantic fans as mr hundson suggests exist. also someone needs to show him the link to the youjtube video i posted . it almost perfectly describes what a lot of people feel not jkust a few most passionate faNS. actually just about 100 percent of all mass effect fans are very passionate because it WAS such a great series until the ending ruined it.

[zoompooky]

Kirakira wrote...

 First of all, let me say that I'm emotionally exhausted after playing Mass Effect 3. I have never had an experience with a game that has allowed me to put so much of myself into a character when making hard choice like the ones Shepard was constantly faced with. I loved the series from start to finish and I'm as pleased with this game as I am with just about any game BioWare has made thus far.

Now to business. Please not I'm not trolling, simply making a point.
This campaign for a new ending to the game has long since gotten ridiculous. I understand everyone's frustration about not getting the ending they wanted. But complaints to the Federal Trade Commission is taking it to the n'th degree. We have all played games, seen movies, and read books that were great, but had endings that were less than what we wanted. But we let it go and moved on because, despite the ending, we enjoyed getting there. Now I can appreciate that Mass Effect is such a cherished series that it warrants an outcry of this magnitude, but rewriting the ending of this game is madness. First of all, if BioWare were to actually do this (I don't think they should) and release it as DLC,  people will be complaining that they have to pay for it. Do not tell me this won't happen because people complain about paying for DLC all the time and this won't be an exception. Secondly the message that is being sent here is that the gaming community will try to seize creative control whenever the writers displease them. Next we'll be demanding rewrites of the endings to games such as Red Dead Redemption, Fallout, Fable, the Final Fantasy games, Knights of the Old Republic, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, LA Noire, etc. That is the message being sent here, no matter how you try to spin, justify, or rationalize it. As I said before, I understand the frustration. But the impact that this could have concerning future games needs to be considered first. 

Personally, I would much rather see BioWare produce content that shows the battle as it was taking place in orbit while Shepard was on the ground, a campaign featuring Anderson while he was on Earth coordinating the Alliance while Shepard was rallying the rest of the galaxy against the Reapers or maybe something with Major Coats since he was in the original teaser trailer for the game in the first place. Perhaps something explaining how he ended up stuck inside Big Ben and how he escaped and hooked up with Anderson afterwards. That's something better. And who knows? It could be possible that BioWare has an ace in the hole and the'll get it out faster if people stop complaining about this for five minutes.

I think the reason many (myself included) are upset isn't because the endings sucked (they did) it's because Bioware very specifically said many things while representing their game, several of which turned out to be completely false.

Here's a big list someone else compiled:

http://social.biowar.../index/10204263

And here's my personal pet peeve:

http://social.biowar...2647/2#10141671

Lastly, I can see now why multiplayer was such a large focus - the ending (there's really only one) kills the story for replays.  It sucked to hear someone say "It's a whole new beginning for the future of the -x- people" and the little voice in the back of my head says "Sure, for about 4 more hours, then you're $#@!ed"

Modifié par zoompooky, 20 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[Mad-Max90]

Mass effect's ending made dragon age 2's lack of a proper ending seem like the right move...if you can only write ****ty endings don't have one, it's bioware's logic now

[MGWinchester]

Kirakira wrote...

 First of all, let me say that I'm emotionally exhausted after playing Mass Effect 3. I have never had an experience with a game that has allowed me to put so much of myself into a character when making hard choice like the ones Shepard was constantly faced with. I loved the series from start to finish and I'm as pleased with this game as I am with just about any game BioWare has made thus far.

Now to business. Please not I'm not trolling, simply making a point.
This campaign for a new ending to the game has long since gotten ridiculous. I understand everyone's frustration about not getting the ending they wanted. But complaints to the Federal Trade Commission is taking it to the n'th degree. We have all played games, seen movies, and read books that were great, but had endings that were less than what we wanted. But we let it go and moved on because, despite the ending, we enjoyed getting there. Now I can appreciate that Mass Effect is such a cherished series that it warrants an outcry of this magnitude, but rewriting the ending of this game is madness. First of all, if BioWare were to actually do this (I don't think they should) and release it as DLC,  people will be complaining that they have to pay for it. Do not tell me this won't happen because people complain about paying for DLC all the time and this won't be an exception. Secondly the message that is being sent here is that the gaming community will try to seize creative control whenever the writers displease them. Next we'll be demanding rewrites of the endings to games such as Red Dead Redemption, Fallout, Fable, the Final Fantasy games, Knights of the Old Republic, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, LA Noire, etc. That is the message being sent here, no matter how you try to spin, justify, or rationalize it. As I said before, I understand the frustration. But the impact that this could have concerning future games needs to be considered first. 

Personally, I would much rather see BioWare produce content that shows the battle as it was taking place in orbit while Shepard was on the ground, a campaign featuring Anderson while he was on Earth coordinating the Alliance while Shepard was rallying the rest of the galaxy against the Reapers or maybe something with Major Coats since he was in the original teaser trailer for the game in the first place. Perhaps something explaining how he ended up stuck inside Big Ben and how he escaped and hooked up with Anderson afterwards. That's something better. And who knows? It could be possible that BioWare has an ace in the hole and the'll get it out faster if people stop complaining about this for five minutes.

Okay so this isn't the only thing I want to answer to or use as a starting point, but it's a start and something I do want to give my opinion to:

As a gamer and writer I do agree that it shouldn't be because of this that every gamer with every game wants to decide how it ends, of course not, but this isn't really just some random thought because some people didn't like the end. This is because Bioware promised us things of this game, of the things you decided in the previous games, and about the endings themselves. Simply put, in my opinion the fans, where I'm actually one of, that want a change or just a better ending next to it, are just using our right of using Bioware's and Hudson's promises and words against them to get just that, what they promised.

For one example: In an hour long interview with Hot Spot I think, the one and same Casey Hudson said litteraly: 'We're giving you an ACTUAL end.' with really the tone on "Actual" so that instantly only raised my hopes and expectations of the game.

So, I finally got my collectors edition two days after official release and waiting, and once I play it, it's just AWESOME, I loved the game, I even still do and I only have praised for the team that made the game, because it looks amazing in my opinion, the thing above orbit and in space in general looks amazing and just gave me goosebumps, the only point was that once I got to the ending in question, I just felt... I don't know even how to call it, it was like a kick in the gut so to speak, I had my hopes for an actual ending like I said and was said, but if this is an actual ending in Bioware's eyes, I don't wantn to know how extremely open an actual open end or something would be.

It's just that I even get the idea behind it, and even though I also agree with other players who say it was too farfetched, I'm still staying at the following conclusion:
I can live with what happens to Shepard, but really? After all the time and hopes players and fans have put in hisstory, there could at least honestly be one at least partial happy ending, some might think that's not necessary or too unbelievable, but not all freaking heroes have to sacrifice themselves in my opinion. But next to that, I think it's just plain old mean to make people love the characters you team up with, get friendships with, relationships, and that it all actually was just for nothing because almost everyone you know dies anyway, or is pressumed dead because with the playthroughs I had, only two others next to Joker etc lived, and that's a random pick too I think.
If they really wanted to give us an actual ending, they would also show us some small scenes at least of those people too, so you know what happens to them, not only the random people fighting on the planets, and not just let the player believe: 'This people stranded on this planet at the end are the only people you knew that are alive, the rest just got killed or are just... Somewhere... You imagine them to be or something.

But even next to that, after things I've read there's one thing I've now put above it all that's the biggest mistake in this ending that I think Bioware should open their eyes to: You made the choice of showing us in Arrival that the desctruction of a mass relay causes that system to be destroyed, fact. Then they let the relays be destroyed everywhere, which actually menas everyone is killed anyway?

My point is, I won't start hating Bioware or stop buying and/or believing in their games, I really won't, and I won't even stop playing ME3 with the characters I have remaining, even though it comes down to the same anyway. BUT the biggest point is, my entire opinion of the game would just be a whole lot better if Bioware would just give the fans that are so dissapointed what they want, I have complete faith in them that they know how and could do it, and even preserve to give the other players the ending/s that it has now to keep that intact too. But for how much love they profess for their fans and for the characters they created, they were just too simple in killing everyone you care about in your team off and leaving it like this, because simply put, this is NOT an ACTUAL ending as Casey Hudson put so nicely.

So is it really so bad of fans to ask for what they were promised? What Hudson and Bioware promised them would be in it? For me wanting an actual ending where you know what happens to the rest of your team to, if they actually even are alive the ones that don't end up at the end, and maybe even a happy ending for the fairytale ending lovers out there?

I mean the only thing we are doing is using their own PR stunt as so many call it against them when they say it's a collaberative effort between designers and gamers, and that's expecting them to do what they say themselves to give them what the fans ask of them after all the apprecation of the things that Bioware came up with themselves.

At least all this is what I think, and I finally wanted to put it out there, hoping that at least some guy at Bioware would read it and at least think about it or something again...

[LucidStrike]

There's nothing sweet about the ending, Casey, and no one likes to see themselves fail. I'm Commander Shepard, and I want the OPTION not to die for teh grimdark br00tz. I've survived suicide missions before, through hard work, and that ought to be an option now.

Also, galactic dark age?! What were ya'll thinkin'? That was WAY too grim. =/

[Sn4kE4ten]

I must say the game was fantastic and while the ending seemed... odd, it was somewhat satisfying. However, I would have liked some more closure, and some things didn't make a whole lotta sense. Although, I am open to you guys changing the ending if you choose to do so. By the way, I thought that conversation towards the end was one of the most memorable scenes in the game.

Modifié par Sn4kE4ten, 20 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[Mad-Max90]

Also, why introduce James Vega and not give us a cooler companion in his place? Thane's son would have been way more badass or even give us one companion from mass effect 2 in his place if we saved everyone. I personally had no interest in the guy, he simply joined way too late for me to like him

[zoompooky]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Also, why introduce James Vega and not give us a cooler companion in his place? Thane's son would have been way more badass or even give us one companion from mass effect 2 in his place if we saved everyone. I personally had no interest in the guy, he simply joined way too late for me to like him

Because they didn't give us a Krogan this time - instead they just took a human and made him roughly Krogan shaped.

[Getorex]

Shepard DOES survive in one of the endings (if you have high enough EMS, readiness, etc). The red ending where he (OK...or she) takes a breath on the pile of rubble. That is alive. But it isn't hopey. You can imagine he survives but so what? EVERYONE he cares about bailed on him and ran away to who knows where. He doesn't even have Anderson as a buddy available...or Miranda as a fall-back girlfriend. ALL his peeps are gone. Wow. Big bummer.

Modifié par Getorex, 20 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[Mad-Max90]

I much would have prefered a krogan...seeing as how it would have made sense to have one...seeing as how you either save them or doom them

[Haphaz77]

Just to add my 2p to the 'please write an ending worthy of the rest of the game / series' crowd - it shouldn't be too hard to arrange, especially given the goodwill at stake.

Thank you.

[raepox]

They won't change it! Give up the hope! Even if they do it, it would not be original anymore! Its over for shepard. But they will make a new mass effect! I work 4 a game magazine and i know there will come a new mass effect! Just forget about shepard now! Some1 else will take that place. U can't blame them! Ow btw i also wish there whas an other end but what happend well that happend. The faster u guys give up the faster u will have a new mass effect let them do their work!!:happy:

Modifié par raepox, 20 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[Getorex]

You know what makes the Red ending the hopiest of all? Simply removing the Normandy running away part and the stargazer part. You show the pics of everyone as in the others, Anderson, Liara, etc, and then show the Shepard segment on the rubble pile and have him/her do that raggedy breath. There. Done. Hope...hope that Shepard did survive afterall and because you didn't show the Normandy running away via a relay, they are still around Earth somewhere...hope.

[BenMiller]

I think this outcry is getting a little ridiculous. Honestly, I enjoyed the ending. It was bittersweet, as it should have been. Had everything turned out just peachy THEN things would have felt wrong. Mass Effect would have instantly turned into a cliche.

In my ending, Shepard sacrificed himself to control and withdraw the Reapers. The relays were destroyed, cutting the galaxy off from each other, but at least civilizations survived. They were given a chance to rebuild. It's bittersweet. It's great.

But I especially liked the touch they threw in after the credits. Galactic civilization apparently rebuilt in the distant future? And "The Shepard" being told as one of the greatest heroic tales of all time? I think that's fantastic.

[Getorex]

raepox wrote...

They won't change it! Give up the hope! Even if they do it, it would not be original anymore! Its over for shepard. But they will make a new mass effect! I work 4 a game magazine and i know there will come a new mass effect! Just forget about shepard now! Some1 else will take that place. U can't blame them!

Actually, there is no more possible Mass Effect given the current ending (and Shepard did survive the red ending).  They blew up ALL the relays.  That's the end right there.  Then there's the knockon effects of blowing up the relays with EVERYONE in the Earth system...

[raepox]

BenMiller wrote...

I think this outcry is getting a little ridiculous. Honestly, I enjoyed the ending. It was bittersweet, as it should have been. Had everything turned out just peachy THEN things would have felt wrong. Mass Effect would have instantly turned into a cliche.

In my ending, Shepard sacrificed himself to control and withdraw the Reapers. The relays were destroyed, cutting the galaxy off from each other, but at least civilizations survived. They were given a chance to rebuild. It's bittersweet. It's great.

But I especially liked the touch they threw in after the credits. Galactic civilization apparently rebuilt in the distant future? And "The Shepard" being told as one of the greatest heroic tales of all time? I think that's fantastic.

I agree!!!!

[MGWinchester]

Yeah sure it has SOMETHING to it, but that still doesn't explain that it still makes enough of stuff not track with how they made things in the games, just like the mass relays again, if the one with Arrival destroyed everything, why should we expect anything else from the destruction of the other relays everywhere?

And the other thing I also still think is weird is what I read earlier, Joker and the rest of your team on the Normandy would never abandon Shepard, how bad it might have looked, but still they're already through the relay when you choose your ending with Shepard? I just still don't get those things.

[zoompooky]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

I much would have prefered a krogan...seeing as how it would have made sense to have one...seeing as how you either save them or doom them

You doom them either way.  You can save them - then a little while later you destroy a mass relay right next to their homeworld.

Yeah - they're dead.

[CerberusSoldier]

so more bull sh**** games huh Bioware . that statement does not make me happy hell it pisses me off even more .

[raepox]

Getorex wrote...

raepox wrote...

They won't change it! Give up the hope! Even if they do it, it would not be original anymore! Its over for shepard. But they will make a new mass effect! I work 4 a game magazine and i know there will come a new mass effect! Just forget about shepard now! Some1 else will take that place. U can't blame them!

Actually, there is no more possible Mass Effect given the current ending (and Shepard did survive the red ending).  They blew up ALL the relays.  That's the end right there.  Then there's the knockon effects of blowing up the relays with EVERYONE in the Earth system...

We'll i know more about it, im sure about a new mass effect but i simply can't say more of it. ive been in the bioware studio's! Like1 year ago and it whas so easy to see on that hudson his face that this isn't the end of mass effect! But it is the end of shepard.

[SuperZombieChow]

I've noticed people talking about gamers taking control of the ending of games as a bad thing. Can I ask why?

It seems to me that this kind of feedback is gold for a corporation. "We don't like your product as it stands, but if you make change X then we will love it and throw our money at you in adoration" is everything any R&D department wishes for. The fact that players care, and want the game to be the best it can be, should be seen as a positive thing. If other game developers can get players to care enough that they want changes then they should be able to ask.

We've had literary characters brought back to life (Sherlock Holmes being the prime example), television shows put back on air (Family Guy/Futurama/ETC.), so why not have a new ending created for a game?