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[Oni2784]

I'm not a genius perhaps arguably quite gifted (depending on who you ask) but I am having a hard time reconciling how Red Green Blue doom scenarios, outside long gone Greek Tragedies, are 'epic' endings accounting for in the range of 16 story wrap ups.
Oh wait... i figured it out... 2 outcomes (Mass Effect 1), + 2 outcomes (Mass Effect 2), + 3 outcomes (Mass Effect 3) modified by your level of Galactic Readiness.
Now it all makes perfect sense... if only I hadn't seen this radically new platform for storytelling in another franchise which quite frankly did a better job.
[DE:HR]

I'm not asking for a technological orgasm but deliverables were freely and clearly given by Bioware. I'm even willing to accept my personal choice of purposefully misinterpreting or misunderstanding Casey Hudson's clear and repeated message to gamers if Bioware is willing to acknowledge that we were purposefully misled. Sure I will share the blame on that. But something square on the shoulders of EA-ware is the dropping of the ball on the multiplayer kit glitch which still has yet to be resolved and sending to market an incomplete, unpolished (aside from aesthetic) incomplete game where in all likelihood gamers are supposed to pay more to get something even approaching the middle game of the series. Bah!

To paraphrase the Turian Councillor:
Ah yes: Choice-driven events and vastly different consequences...

End result: I've spoken with many local gamers (you don't want to know how many I interact with) who are a fan of the franchise or just curious about it. The advice I've given them has 16 distinct options.
Red: Don't buy the game.
Blue: Wait a year or two for it to be complete then consider buying the game
Green: Come over to my place and play it then decide if it's worth your dollars.

[JayK47]

I can't say that I was expecting much more than nothing. He delivered. Sadly this whole episode has soured the BioWare name for me and I will no longer simply buy because a game is from BioWare. I will wait for comments from gamers, not reviewers, and wait for lower prices or complete editions. I obviously can't count on a reviewer to tell the truth when they get the game for free and wear beer goggles during the ending.

[raepox]

IReuven wrote...

Hudson used "Bull****" - It's not very effective.
Fan used "Not buying any DLC" - It's super effective. BW is starving.

Are they just trying to say that they are finished? Cause that's how it sounds like. "We will support Mass Effect 3" ( or as I like to say it's Ass Deffect 3) - does it matter?

You are not doing endings so who the hell cares? F-up Ending will stay the same, no matter how many DLC missions You are going to play thought, nothing will matter, what we will retake something?
Dragon Age 2 as I seen is F-up, what the hell? Is Bioware ending up as MMORPG company? Well bye bye then.
No EA MMORPG even lasted long.

So Mr. Hudson just take the crew and just record yourself singing:
We sold the game "And nothing else matters".
No matter what You'll do you'll get a ****ty ending "And nothing else matters"
Money is awesome, fans suck "And nothing else matters".
And for this post You are going to get banned "And nothing else matters" ( go arhead).

U r wasting your time! Simple they can't give it an other end, only for 1 reason (it will mess up there other plans) Its not that easy u know? Its not like just saying (CHANGE OF PLANS GUYS)! 

[MGWinchester]

SuperZombieChow wrote...

I've noticed people talking about gamers taking control of the ending of games as a bad thing. Can I ask why?

It seems to me that this kind of feedback is gold for a corporation. "We don't like your product as it stands, but if you make change X then we will love it and throw our money at you in adoration" is everything any R&D department wishes for. The fact that players care, and want the game to be the best it can be, should be seen as a positive thing. If other game developers can get players to care enough that they want changes then they should be able to ask.

We've had literary characters brought back to life (Sherlock Holmes being the prime example), television shows put back on air (Family Guy/Futurama/ETC.), so why not have a new ending created for a game?

I can't deny that in my opinion you do have a really good point. I mean if it was me I would have really taken the opportunity, not just for the money, but just because as the creators of a game that says that they love their fanbase so much and really cares about their opinion, wouldn't you grab the chance to take their advise and suggestions and just do something with it?

I write stories and stuff too, and of course you want people to respect and like what you yourself come up with, but if you get input from someone else with good ideas and pointing things out, then you're better if you take it and use it then just not listen to it and keep it the same.

And especially to that part about that there will be another Mass Effect, well nice and I would be really happy, but with this ending and fans reactions and if they don't listen? Then I don't think that many people will actually want to buy it, and then I'm not even talking about the really stubborn people. So especially with more of Mass Effect games in mind: REALLY listen to your fans Bioware, even the ones that don't agree, compromise with it and use your knowledge, the things that have already returned from the death, Shepard himself already having come back from the death and the awesome game ME3 is on its own apart from the choices you have for an ending to make it even better! It's not that the endings should be taken out and completely new ones should be put in, but you could try to put in more options like I thought was promised, or put something post-ending in it or something.

I also mean that if all the DLC that will be coming for this game is pre-ending, what use has it for all the people that have already finished playing it?

[MGWinchester]

A different ending would mess up their other plans? Well that's just a little strange because I would think the entire "Shepard Dies" Ending of ME2 was kind of messing their already clear plan of ME3 up, so that's not really a good enough reason in my opinion.

I mean it's something different because it was already in there, but it actually in my opinion comes down to the same too.

[raepox]

IReuven wrote...

raepox wrote...

IReuven wrote...

Hudson used "Bull****" - It's not very effective.
Fan used "Not buying any DLC" - It's super effective. BW is starving.

Are they just trying to say that they are finished? Cause that's how it sounds like. "We will support Mass Effect 3" ( or as I like to say it's Ass Deffect 3) - does it matter?

You are not doing endings so who the hell cares? F-up Ending will stay the same, no matter how many DLC missions You are going to play thought, nothing will matter, what we will retake something?
Dragon Age 2 as I seen is F-up, what the hell? Is Bioware ending up as MMORPG company? Well bye bye then.
No EA MMORPG even lasted long.

So Mr. Hudson just take the crew and just record yourself singing:
We sold the game "And nothing else matters".
No matter what You'll do you'll get a ****ty ending "And nothing else matters"
Money is awesome, fans suck "And nothing else matters".
And for this post You are going to get banned "And nothing else matters" ( go arhead).

U r wasting your time! Simple they can't give it an other end, only for 1 reason (it will mess up there other plans) Its not that easy u know? Its not like just saying (CHANGE OF PLANS GUYS)! 

Still they are getting really big penal-penis for F-up most of us. One thing they are not getting is my money.

To bad for u then! Not for them. If u r a real fan u should support the ending! Bioware did he's best 50procent is not happy 50procent is happy.  Its always like that in every game! So dont blame Bioware of ur way of thinking about the game!

[Kirakira]

MGWinchester wrote...

Kirakira wrote...

 First of all, let me say that I'm emotionally exhausted after playing Mass Effect 3. I have never had an experience with a game that has allowed me to put so much of myself into a character when making hard choice like the ones Shepard was constantly faced with. I loved the series from start to finish and I'm as pleased with this game as I am with just about any game BioWare has made thus far.

Now to business. Please not I'm not trolling, simply making a point.
This campaign for a new ending to the game has long since gotten ridiculous. I understand everyone's frustration about not getting the ending they wanted. But complaints to the Federal Trade Commission is taking it to the n'th degree. We have all played games, seen movies, and read books that were great, but had endings that were less than what we wanted. But we let it go and moved on because, despite the ending, we enjoyed getting there. Now I can appreciate that Mass Effect is such a cherished series that it warrants an outcry of this magnitude, but rewriting the ending of this game is madness. First of all, if BioWare were to actually do this (I don't think they should) and release it as DLC,  people will be complaining that they have to pay for it. Do not tell me this won't happen because people complain about paying for DLC all the time and this won't be an exception. Secondly the message that is being sent here is that the gaming community will try to seize creative control whenever the writers displease them. Next we'll be demanding rewrites of the endings to games such as Red Dead Redemption, Fallout, Fable, the Final Fantasy games, Knights of the Old Republic, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, LA Noire, etc. That is the message being sent here, no matter how you try to spin, justify, or rationalize it. As I said before, I understand the frustration. But the impact that this could have concerning future games needs to be considered first. 

Personally, I would much rather see BioWare produce content that shows the battle as it was taking place in orbit while Shepard was on the ground, a campaign featuring Anderson while he was on Earth coordinating the Alliance while Shepard was rallying the rest of the galaxy against the Reapers or maybe something with Major Coats since he was in the original teaser trailer for the game in the first place. Perhaps something explaining how he ended up stuck inside Big Ben and how he escaped and hooked up with Anderson afterwards. That's something better. And who knows? It could be possible that BioWare has an ace in the hole and the'll get it out faster if people stop complaining about this for five minutes.

Okay so this isn't the only thing I want to answer to or use as a starting point, but it's a start and something I do want to give my opinion to:

As a gamer and writer I do agree that it shouldn't be because of this that every gamer with every game wants to decide how it ends, of course not, but this isn't really just some random thought because some people didn't like the end. This is because Bioware promised us things of this game, of the things you decided in the previous games, and about the endings themselves. Simply put, in my opinion the fans, where I'm actually one of, that want a change or just a better ending next to it, are just using our right of using Bioware's and Hudson's promises and words against them to get just that, what they promised.

For one example: In an hour long interview with Hot Spot I think, the one and same Casey Hudson said litteraly: 'We're giving you an ACTUAL end.' with really the tone on "Actual" so that instantly only raised my hopes and expectations of the game.

So, I finally got my collectors edition two days after official release and waiting, and once I play it, it's just AWESOME, I loved the game, I even still do and I only have praised for the team that made the game, because it looks amazing in my opinion, the thing above orbit and in space in general looks amazing and just gave me goosebumps, the only point was that once I got to the ending in question, I just felt... I don't know even how to call it, it was like a kick in the gut so to speak, I had my hopes for an actual ending like I said and was said, but if this is an actual ending in Bioware's eyes, I don't wantn to know how extremely open an actual open end or something would be.

It's just that I even get the idea behind it, and even though I also agree with other players who say it was too farfetched, I'm still staying at the following conclusion:
I can live with what happens to Shepard, but really? After all the time and hopes players and fans have put in hisstory, there could at least honestly be one at least partial happy ending, some might think that's not necessary or too unbelievable, but not all freaking heroes have to sacrifice themselves in my opinion. But next to that, I think it's just plain old mean to make people love the characters you team up with, get friendships with, relationships, and that it all actually was just for nothing because almost everyone you know dies anyway, or is pressumed dead because with the playthroughs I had, only two others next to Joker etc lived, and that's a random pick too I think.
If they really wanted to give us an actual ending, they would also show us some small scenes at least of those people too, so you know what happens to them, not only the random people fighting on the planets, and not just let the player believe: 'This people stranded on this planet at the end are the only people you knew that are alive, the rest just got killed or are just... Somewhere... You imagine them to be or something.

But even next to that, after things I've read there's one thing I've now put above it all that's the biggest mistake in this ending that I think Bioware should open their eyes to: You made the choice of showing us in Arrival that the desctruction of a mass relay causes that system to be destroyed, fact. Then they let the relays be destroyed everywhere, which actually menas everyone is killed anyway?

My point is, I won't start hating Bioware or stop buying and/or believing in their games, I really won't, and I won't even stop playing ME3 with the characters I have remaining, even though it comes down to the same anyway. BUT the biggest point is, my entire opinion of the game would just be a whole lot better if Bioware would just give the fans that are so dissapointed what they want, I have complete faith in them that they know how and could do it, and even preserve to give the other players the ending/s that it has now to keep that intact too. But for how much love they profess for their fans and for the characters they created, they were just too simple in killing everyone you care about in your team off and leaving it like this, because simply put, this is NOT an ACTUAL ending as Casey Hudson put so nicely.

So is it really so bad of fans to ask for what they were promised? What Hudson and Bioware promised them would be in it? For me wanting an actual ending where you know what happens to the rest of your team to, if they actually even are alive the ones that don't end up at the end, and maybe even a happy ending for the fairytale ending lovers out there?

I mean the only thing we are doing is using their own PR stunt as so many call it against them when they say it's a collaberative effort between designers and gamers, and that's expecting them to do what they say themselves to give them what the fans ask of them after all the apprecation of the things that Bioware came up with themselves.

At least all this is what I think, and I finally wanted to put it out there, hoping that at least some guy at Bioware would read it and at least think about it or something again...

You just said it and didn't realize it. The uproar is about this "at least partially happy ending" you want. BioWare didn't promise a happy ending. They promised an ending. You got your ending. And you're still saying it: you're just trying to get the what you want. My 18 month-old niece behaves like this when she doesn't get what she wants. And that's kinda what I was trying to say as nicely as possible. This whole thing is childish. It is a sad fact of life that you don't always get everything you want. Even in video games. I didn't want John Marston to die in Red Dead and I didn't want Fang and Vanille to stay in crystal stasis in FF13, and I didn't want to kill Anders in Dragon Age 2, but that's what happened regardless of how uspest I was. But I let it go. Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely happy with the ending to Mass Effect 3 either, but I'm not going to make a big stink, start some petition on Twitter, campaign on Facebook, or call the FTC about it either. I apologize, but, as a gamer, I take it as a personal offense for some guy to go to the GOVERNMENT over a game. Here's what I did after finishing the game. I cried because I completed a game that I put a lot of time into. And like I said, I wasn't entirely happy with how it ended, but I got over it, knowing that my entire life hasn't ended because of it, and  decided I could play through the series again or just play something else. There's plenty of things for me to do than get my panties in a bunch because of a game.

Now as the writer that you are, are you going to change the ending, or any part of anything you write for that matter, just because a bunch of people don't like it? I find it hard to believe that you would. I shudder to think what would have happened if Shakespeare changed the endings to MacBeth and Romeo and Juliet. They wouldn't be the same renowned works if he had. And I don't remember J.K. Rowling changing a thing about any of the Harry Potter novels because everyone was mad that Sirius Black, Dumbledore, Dobby, and Mad-Eye Moody were killed. She knew people were pissed. I myself  took Dobby's death rather hard and actually put the book down to cry for an hour. But at the end of the day it was HER work that she put so much of HER time away from HER family and so much of herself into. The same is true of Casey Hudson and everyone else at BioWare. I'm sure these people have other projects that they want to work on instead of appeasing everyone. Mass Effect 3 is a great game, you said so yourself. Quite possibly Game of the Year, despite the uproar. So if you can "live with what happens to Shepard" as you say, why the complaint in the first place?

Now as to this ending you want. I feel this way. If you want it so badly and BioWare complies. They reserve the right to charge about 30 bucks or so for you to get it as a DLC package. And that's just me being merciful. I wanted to quote 50 bucks, but my darling roommates talked me out of it. The writers at BioWare have other things to do. Other projects on their plate that have been put on hold to get this game out. And you want to make them put these projects on hold because you're up in arms about the ENDING TO A GAME. You can make the ending you want. If it matters so much, write a fanfic. Or read someone else's. In acutality, there's a part of me that is happy about how they ended it. I allows me to imagine what happens after the end. And I have a vivid imagination. I'm just saying the world hasn't ended. Shepard made sure of it 

Modifié par Kirakira, 20 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Solmanian]

I believe what he's saying that ME3 in its entirety is the ending to the series, and that we shouldn't focus on simply the last five minutes as the defining moment of the series. Considering the majority of ME3 was pretty awesome, I can see how from that perspective one will consider ME3 a good, or atleast decent ending to the series. To tell the truth, ME3 did an excellent job closing the lose ends from ME1&2 (even though some of it was lame emails along the lines of "you know that repeating charecters from the previous games that you liked? Yeah, s/he is dead"; but atleast they were thorough. Do I still liked to know what happens to the crazy guy you punch on Eden prime, "say good night, manual" anybody?). The problem is that it didn't close the loose ends from ME3 itself, especially the ones it created with that weird ending.

[Rocharox]

The customers can fire every single person from a company, be it the janitor to the top CEO, all they have to do is NOT BUY from it again.
I'm not buying another BW product until they address the endings.

[MGWinchester]

Kirakira wrote...

You just said it and didn't realize it. The uproar is about this "at least partially happy ending" you want. BioWare didn't promise a happy ending. They promised an ending. You got your ending. And you're still saying it: you're just trying to get the what you want. My 18 month-old niece behaves like this when she doesn't get what she wants. And that's kinda what I was trying to say as nicely as possible. This whole thing is childish. It is a sad fact of life that you don't always get everything you want. Even in video games. I didn't want John Marston to die in Red Dead and I didn't want Fang and Vanille to stay in crystal stasis in FF13, and I didn't want to kill Anders in Dragon Age 2, but that's what happened regardless of how uspest I was. But I let it go. Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely happy with the ending to Mass Effect 3 either, but I'm not going to make a big stink, start some petition on Twitter, campaign on Facebook, or call the FTC about it either. I apologize, but, as a gamer, I take it as a personal offense for some guy to go to the GOVERNMENT over a game. Here's what I did after finishing the game. I cried because I completed a game that I put a lot of time into. And like I said, I wasn't entirely happy with how it ended, but I got over it, knowing that my entire life hasn't ended because of it, and  decided I could play through the series again or just play something else. There's plenty of things for me to do than get my panties in a bunch because of a game.

Now as the writer that you are, are you going to change the ending, or any part of anything you write for that matter, just because a bunch of people don't like it? I find it hard to believe that you would. I shudder to think what would have happened if Shakespeare changed the endings to MacBeth and Romeo and Juliet. They wouldn't be the same renowned works if he had. And I don't remember J.K. Rowling changing a thing about any of the Harry Potter novels because everyone was mad that Sirius Black, Dumbledore, Dobby, and Mad-Eye Moody were killed. She knew people were pissed. I myself  took Dobby's death rather hard and actually put the book down to cry for an hour. But at the end of the day it was HER work that she put so much of HER time away from HER family and so much of herself into. The same is true of Casey Hudson and everyone else at BioWare. I'm sure these people have other projects that they want to work on instead of appeasing everyone. Mass Effect 3 is a great game, you said so yourself. Quite possibly Game of the Year, despite the uproar. So if you can "live with what happens to Shepard" as you say, why the complaint in the first place?

Now as to this ending you want. I feel this way. If you want it so badly and BioWare complies. They reserve the right to charge about 30 bucks or so for you to get it as a DLC package. And that's just me being merciful. I wanted to quote 50 bucks, but my darling roommates talked me out of it. The writers at BioWare have other things to do. Other projects on their plate that have been put on hold to get this game out. And you want to make them put these projects on hold because you're up in arms about the ENDING TO A GAME. You can make the ending you want. If it matters so much, write a fanfic. Or read someone else's. In acutality, there's a part of me that is happy about how they ended it. I allows me to imagine what happens after the end. And I have a vivid imagination. I'm just saying the world hasn't ended. Shepard made sure of it 

First of all, the remark about me comparing me to a child and then also again saying I'm childish is kind of insultingly uncalled for, I'm just pointing out my opinion and I'm even not pissed or hateful or just simply throwing out insults to Bioware, because I DO have TOTAL respect for their hard work, honestly, and like I said I still love the game, I still love the creators for their great thinking and hard work and all of that unlike a couple of other people who are just willingly throwing stuff out there looking to get banned or something, but that's just osmething I wanted to say.

Secondly, like I said, I can live with it, so I'm not demaning or anything, and most of all I wasn't the guy or whatever that went to the government, mainly because it's not my damn government, because otherwise I would be able to watch series and not get the annoying message that I can't from my country or region blah blah blah, but that's besides the point. As I aid in the first part, I'm not hating them, or insulting them or anything, and not demaning either. I'm just putting out there, that Casey Hudson said an ACTUAL ending, and this is an ending, but not an actual one, and maybe that's just my imagination, then fine, then it's my mistake, but I just hope and believe they actually care for what their fans say, so I just wanted to say my opinion instead of just leaving it to all the other players.

And about the writer part, you do have a point there, honestly I won't deny that, and of course I wouldn't simply just because of a few people that think so, but you said yourself too how freaking seriously some gamers are taking this and even spending on it, that's not just "a few" people then right? But of course, listen carefully, of course with the writer in me, Bioware has full right to just keep it this way, keep their creative original thinking for themselves and just hope that a lot of fans are reasonable enough themselves to not forego anything Bioware from now on just because they don't really agree with the ending, because like you said, reality is you don't always get what you want, the only thing you can be damn sure of is that you'll mostly get the opposite or lose people you don't want to lose, believe me I know.

So even though I'm getting slightly defensive about some points, that's not really my intention, I actually want to say you raise a valid point, and like I said it's Bioware's choice, they made it, it's theirs, and if they don't, maybe I'll do a fanfic or just... Use my imagination which is also pretty vivid. But I'm just not going to lie or deny that IF they do decide to listen and make it, and even if it would be so expensive, then I would love that too, but otherwise, nothing changes in my opinion about Bioware and I won't be pissed, because I never was, I just wanted to express that a part of me would like a different ending to it too, where you know better what happens to the rest of your team and such, nothing more.

So as I said I mostly agree with you and of course the world hasn't ended, which Shepard is mostly responsible for yeah  I just love the game too much not to speak up my opinion you know?  But I would never start to rebel, insult or go on a lawsuit spree against Bioware, of course not.

Because whatever the deal or opinion about the end, I still think it's one of the most awesome trilogy of games I have ever played

[Turambar29]

I've really enjoyed BioWare's games over the years, usually long after they became popular and dropped in price. When DAO and ME2 came out, I bought the collector's editions of both games as a vote of confidence in the company: BioWare is worth top dollar to me! It may be the last time I ever buy a BioWare game new, though, to say nothing of a collector's edition. The handling of DLC detracted from my enjoyment of the games, rather than adding to it. It's hard to enjoy a game when you keep wondering if you're missing something because you haven't paid enough for it. Recent years have seen my confidence in the company drop quite a bit because of the way that DLC is handled and quality issues (DA2 and ME3 in particular). I've not yet purchased ME3; I'm not sure that I will, though I enjoyed the first two games quite a bit. However, the existence of a "buy more DLC" screen at the end, as I've heard, is a huge turn off.

In summary, BioWare, I want to support your games. This is my way of saying that, for me, you're going in the wrong direction, and it's already cost you my support. I would have bought the CE versions of DA2 and ME3 new if you hadn't lost my confidence.

[ragnorok87]

this link to a youtube perfectly describes frustration and hate toward the mass effect 3 ending. also it is done tastefully without swearing and being vulgar. please check this out

[Farbautisonn]

The headline reads "CH Discusses...". Not much discussion going on here between him and us though?

[kuhshuih]

JayK47 wrote...

I can't say that I was expecting much more than nothing. He delivered. Sadly this whole episode has soured the BioWare name for me and I will no longer simply buy because a game is from BioWare. I will wait for comments from gamers, not reviewers, and wait for lower prices or complete editions. I obviously can't count on a reviewer to tell the truth when they get the game for free and wear beer goggles during the ending.

this is more or less what i feel. the days when i could trust a bioware game just because it's bioware are now gone. 3 mediocre games in a row - dragon age 2, swtor and now mass effect 3 are to me more than just bad luck on their side.

personally, i did not expect that much from the me3 ending, seeing that the whole story is rather poor, full of clichés like a holywood b-movie, and with very limited ways for players to skip or get around such stuff...

anyway, looks like i'll be extra careful about bioware products in future.

[RyianaT]

Kirakira wrote...

Now as the writer that you are, are you going to change the ending, or any part of anything you write for that matter, just because a bunch of people don't like it? I find it hard to believe that you would. I shudder to think what would have happened if Shakespeare changed the endings to MacBeth and Romeo and Juliet. They wouldn't be the same renowned works if he had. And I don't remember J.K. Rowling changing a thing about any of the Harry Potter novels because everyone was mad that Sirius Black, Dumbledore, Dobby, and Mad-Eye Moody were killed. She knew people were pissed. I myself  took Dobby's death rather hard and actually put the book down to cry for an hour. But at the end of the day it was HER work that she put so much of HER time away from HER family and so much of herself into. The same is true of Casey Hudson and everyone else at BioWare. I'm sure these people have other projects that they want to work on instead of appeasing everyone. Mass Effect 3 is a great game, you said so yourself. Quite possibly Game of the Year, despite the uproar. So if you can "live with what happens to Shepard" as you say, why the complaint in the first place?

There are a couple of points I'd like to make here. 

1) Anyone who wants to make something for art only and doesn't care about making money off of it can claim "art!" and dismiss the claims of consumers.  But if someone wants to make money off of their "art" (whether that be painting, book, movie, or what not) it steps beyond simply calling art and becomes also a business.  And any business that wants to stay in business has to pay attention to its consumers.  I'm not saying always do what they want, mind, but you can't just say "Stupid, whiny brats, this is MY [insert product here]" and completely dismiss what consumers are saying (not if you want to continue to have an even remotely successful business).  And there is a statistically significant portion of consumers noting their displeasure with BioWare's product.  Any business worth its salt is going to at the very least pay attention to that.  Maybe they'll do something about it, maybe they won't.  JK Rowling admited that she changed some of who died in her series based on comments from consumers (granted, she killed other characters in their place).  Arthur Conan Doyle brought Holmes back from the dead based on requests from consumers (fans).  Bethesda wrote and developed an alternate ending to Fallout based on requests from consumers (fans).  Thus, there is ALREADY precedent here from consumers who spoke up when they were dissatisfied with a product and "artists" who listened because they realize that those consumers are also an important part of their business (and art).  Why do we even have reviews or critics of "art" in the first place?  To inform consumers of the worth of spending their hard earned dollar on something and also to note to the artist what may be good or not so good about their product.

2) I think the fundamental argument here is deeper than just a change to the ending of a game.  Video games are not exactly the same as tv, movies, or books.  With any of the latter, you know from the moment you even THINK about watching/reading that you will be nothing more than a casual spectator in someone else's story.  Thus, your mindset from the beginning is one of passive spectator only.  (But even then, there are examples of tv shows being changed or brought back -thus costing the creator money - based on pressure from fans).  Video games, and particularly role-playing games, ask the player to become INVOLVED in the story.  From the beginning, Mass Effect has been advertised as being about player choice.  About how everyone's Shepard was different and everyone's playing experience was different.  This is not a tv show where you ride along with the characters but rather you ARE the character.  You choose how she/he looks and how he/she responds and who he/she is.  My point with all this is that developers cannot have it both ways.  They cannot say in one breath "Its all about your choices, all about how you play your Shepard and the outcomes of the final part will be "widely varying" depending on those choices," and then in the next breath say, "but the ending of the story is all ours and sorry, we think this is how Shepard's story should end."  That is a conflicting statement and I think sits at the heart of many of the consumer's displeasure. What I want, as a consumer, is what was adverstised - widely varying endings that are the direct result of my choices.

While we disagree on the subject, I do appreciate your point of view and you stepping up to express it.  That is also part of the joy of being a consumer. 

[Aravius]

I will not buy any ME3 DLC until something is done about the ending. Bioware got it wrong, and promised us that our decisions meant something, and whether shep lived or died, we would get some type of closure. Not more questions to fuel questionable DLC.

[Lee T]

JayK47 wrote... I obviously can't count on a reviewer to tell the truth when they get the game for free and wear beer goggles during the ending.

I wondered why no "professional" review I've read mentioned the import problem, beer goggles explains everything.

[medusa_hair]

They won't "change" the ending. It's done. However, they certainly can put out DLC. That is not "changing" the ending. I don't see how that affects future game development, as some are saying. They can CONTINUE the game with DLC, however (what happens after the rubble?). Fallout 3 did a continuation-type DLC and I didn't notice anyone going on about how that was disastrous for gaming because it "changed" an ending that was disliked by the fans.

What's the difference between this: "Gee, I want to have some DLC on Dekanna with the Elcor..." or "Gee, I'd like some DLC with the Hanar 'cuz I really liked Thane and I want to see more about that" -
and this: "You know, I want to know what happened after the scene in the rubble." It's the same thing, the content is just different. Those who wish to avail themselves of it can do that; those who choose not to are also free to do that. It's the solution that works for all - if you liked the ending, you can keep it that way; if you want to know what happened next, you can find out; and EA/BioWare can make money hand over fist. Unfortunately, they would have to charge for it because Jennifer Hale and Mark Meers et al still have to get paid, as does everyone else involved in creating these things.

I read somewhere that he said they would address it specifically at the beginning of April - can't remember where, there have been so many threads. Until then, I doubt we will hear anything of any substance from anyone at BioWare.

[zoompooky]

medusa_hair wrote...

They won't "change" the ending. It's done. However, they certainly can put out DLC. That is not "changing" the ending. I don't see how that affects future game development, as some are saying. They can CONTINUE the game with DLC, however (what happens after the rubble?). Fallout 3 did a continuation-type DLC and I didn't notice anyone going on about how that was disastrous for gaming because it "changed" an ending that was disliked by the fans.

What's the difference between this: "Gee, I want to have some DLC on Dekanna with the Elcor..." or "Gee, I'd like some DLC with the Hanar 'cuz I really liked Thane and I want to see more about that" -
and this: "You know, I want to know what happened after the scene in the rubble." It's the same thing, the content is just different. Those who wish to avail themselves of it can do that; those who choose not to are also free to do that. It's the solution that works for all - if you liked the ending, you can keep it that way; if you want to know what happened next, you can find out; and EA/BioWare can make money hand over fist. Unfortunately, they would have to charge for it because Jennifer Hale and Mark Meers et al still have to get paid, as does everyone else involved in creating these things.

I read somewhere that he said they would address it specifically at the beginning of April - can't remember where, there have been so many threads. Until then, I doubt we will hear anything of any substance from anyone at BioWare.

DLC will take place BEFORE the ending.  Notice where it put your character after the credits?  Right before the point of no return mission.

[Haron50]

HEY CASEY HUDSON WHY DELETE CAMEOS IMPORTANTS OF ME3?

Corporal Toombs Giana,Parasini,Lorik,Biotic God,Elnora,Helena Black,Morlan y Sidonis no appear and no receive mention in the game.

WHY CHANGE THE STORY ORIGINAL AND DELETE THE EPILOGES AND DESCRIPTION OF THE CONSECUENCES?THE ENDINGS OF THE STORY ORIGINAL IS MORE GOOD BUT THIS ACTUALLY IS REALLY SH... MR HUDSON I RETRIEVE THE GAME AND WAIT FOR MY MONEY,NEVER MORE BUY A GAME OF BIOWARE.

PROMISES INCOMPLETES AND DELETE CONTENT OF THE GAME ORIGINAL.

ILLIUM?OMEGA?THE GREAT ENDING OF GAME?I NO LOOK NOTHING OF THIS.

I ONLY LOOK A STORY MEDIOCRE,FEW CHOICES,AUTODIALOG,BUGS,PROBLEM WITH THE FACE IMPORTS AND SIDEQUEST OF DA2(TALK WITH X BROWSE A OBJECT MISSION ACOMPLISHED...)

MR HUDSON I WAIT YOU DISMISSE OF BIOWARE.

Modifié par Haron50, 21 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[tyranolol]

only one more thing to say, see this ending from fans, with tali as LI it was nearly to make my cry T_T
and ismostly words of tali, so ****ing epic, and nearly not images. Want a good ending and options to have a happy ending if i have made things well or sad ending if you have made things bad as you promised