Zoompooky, you wrote:
"DLC will take place BEFORE the ending. Notice where it put your character after the credits? Right before the point of no return mission."
I did not forget this. It doesn't preclude them from making DLC that would continue the story from the current "end;" you would just have to start from the point-of-no-return mission. That has the added effect of allowing it to flow much better.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 12:33
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devil_foetus wrote...
The ending invalidated any point to playing the series.
Right on.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 12:38
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Remember the days when you bought a game and that was it, a complete full game? Remember those days? Damn, I miss those good times. Now you pay full price for half to 3/4 of a game, then pay in increments for the rest that should have been in the original game in the first place. It's like looking at my cell phone bill all over again. Can't wait to see what was left out of this one, besides a proper ending, of course.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 12:55
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Justin2k wrote...
"This is not the last you will hear of commander shepard".
Does that mean more ending DLC? Because really this was meant to be the end of his story. The game. The game should have significantly ended it.
DLC sure, they were always going to release it, but it should be battle for Omega or something, taking place during the gameplay. Not additional ending that you are required to pay for. Thats disgusting if that was the plan all along.
I see nothing in the statement which points to ending DLC. Casey probably just wanted to say that as damage control. Gives some people a sense of hope to say that there will be DLC with Shepard in it, and yet doesn't specify which part of the game it will be.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:00
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Brutikai wrote...
Remember the days when you bought a game and that was it, a complete full game?
No. Developers often run out of time to make the game everything that they want it to be. Sequels and expansion packs have been happening since the 90's. Remember Capcom and their dozens of versions of the same Streetfighter game with each one only slightly different from the last? Yeah, the situation hasn't gotten worse or better. This era of complete games you speak of are a fantasy
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:06
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someone should show the video i posted to bioware they desperately need to see it.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:37
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Unfortunately I have not yet played more of ME3 than the demo. However, mentioning that a critic scored the game highly is indeed in some way important, but the greatest people to judge any game, film, song, novel or anything else for that matter are the fans of said items, period.
I will still end up playing it in full soon enough, but really, I disagree with Penny Arcade, Gamespot and IGN with half of their decisions, if not more.
Having not touched it yet, I expect it to be up to the same magnificent standard I have come to expect from Bioware, but I also expect a massive sting in the tail, so thanks for that too.
I respect that Mass Effect is a monumental labour of love for Bioware, or so you say, but I really have to ask, if the thirty people/companies that shout the loudest say that it is perfect and really like it, but several million state that the ending is a disgrace, but don't publish it in the mass media, who is a more accurate representation?
I will still end up playing it in full soon enough, but really, I disagree with Penny Arcade, Gamespot and IGN with half of their decisions, if not more.
Having not touched it yet, I expect it to be up to the same magnificent standard I have come to expect from Bioware, but I also expect a massive sting in the tail, so thanks for that too.
I respect that Mass Effect is a monumental labour of love for Bioware, or so you say, but I really have to ask, if the thirty people/companies that shout the loudest say that it is perfect and really like it, but several million state that the ending is a disgrace, but don't publish it in the mass media, who is a more accurate representation?
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 01:50
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[quote]The Lt wrote...
Unfortunately I have not yet played more of ME3 than the demo. However, mentioning that a critic scored the game highly is indeed in some way important, but the greatest people to judge any game, film, song, novel or anything else for that matter are the fans of said items, period.
I will still end up playing it in full soon enough, but really, I disagree with Penny Arcade, Gamespot and IGN with half of their decisions, if not more.
Having not touched it yet, I expect it to be up to the same magnificent standard I have come to expect from Bioware, but I also expect a massive sting in the tail, so thanks for that too.
I respect that Mass Effect is a monumental labour of love for Bioware, or so you say, but I really have to ask, if the thirty people/companies that shout the loudest say that it is perfect and really like it, but several million state that the ending is a disgrace, but don't publish it in the mass media, who is a more accurate representation?[/quote
well the fans of course are more accurate. especially when every single gaming media and mass media outlet was paid by ea and bioware to give them favourible reviews without or very little mentioning of the ending. infact the ending doesnt even factor into most reviews i doubt there is even one mass market or gaming media review that does. ] listen to this at 1:15 seconds into the video.
remeber WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER HOLD THE LINE
Unfortunately I have not yet played more of ME3 than the demo. However, mentioning that a critic scored the game highly is indeed in some way important, but the greatest people to judge any game, film, song, novel or anything else for that matter are the fans of said items, period.
I will still end up playing it in full soon enough, but really, I disagree with Penny Arcade, Gamespot and IGN with half of their decisions, if not more.
Having not touched it yet, I expect it to be up to the same magnificent standard I have come to expect from Bioware, but I also expect a massive sting in the tail, so thanks for that too.
I respect that Mass Effect is a monumental labour of love for Bioware, or so you say, but I really have to ask, if the thirty people/companies that shout the loudest say that it is perfect and really like it, but several million state that the ending is a disgrace, but don't publish it in the mass media, who is a more accurate representation?[/quote
well the fans of course are more accurate. especially when every single gaming media and mass media outlet was paid by ea and bioware to give them favourible reviews without or very little mentioning of the ending. infact the ending doesnt even factor into most reviews i doubt there is even one mass market or gaming media review that does. ] listen to this at 1:15 seconds into the video.
remeber WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER HOLD THE LINE
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#1434
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:07
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Dear Bioware,
I know what I have to say probably won't reach the right ears, but I've got to try. I hope it counts for something. All I have to say is that Mass Effect, as a beautiful and meaningful story, has touched me deeply. Never before have I found myself, in any medium, quite as emotionally invested in a tale as this one. Your dedication to perfection and the art of storytelling has shone throughout this series. Playing as Commander Shepard, I have travelled across the stars, lived another life, and even found love.
I know how easy it must be to believe that people are reacting negatively, even spitefully, to the conclusion to the story that we have shared. There have been many attempts to rationalize or demean their response. But their grief, and their anger, is not a sign of hate or ingratitude: it is a manifestation of our simple adoration for the story you have told us. I understand the bittersweet beauty that can be found in the present ending, but what has to be understood is the fact that we have struggled through this long journey hoping to find our own way. I can't speak for others, but I feel that Shepard deserves more.
We live in a dark world. Life is hard enough as it is. What we found in this epic tale is a cause to fight for, people to love, and a reason to care. There is something magical about this story. Its conclusion should do that magic justice. I understand that the self-sacrificial endings at present are powerful, but people want the chance, silm as it may be, to find that "happily ever after." I want that chance. This story deserves the chance, the possibility, to defy the odds. As Shepard, we've beaten those odds before. That's what's amazing about Mass Effect: against all odds, Shepard has prevailed. We know it might not be the most realistic story, but we follow it anyway. It's about suspending our disbelief and finding hope. We want to believe. In the end, all of these hurt and tired people are simply confused. All we want is something to believe in. You've given us that much. Help us lay this story to rest with dignity. Let us give Commander Shepard, and ourselves, the chance to find that "ever after." Mass Effect has been a story about choices, heroes, and love. Let's stay true to that.
Thank you.
I know what I have to say probably won't reach the right ears, but I've got to try. I hope it counts for something. All I have to say is that Mass Effect, as a beautiful and meaningful story, has touched me deeply. Never before have I found myself, in any medium, quite as emotionally invested in a tale as this one. Your dedication to perfection and the art of storytelling has shone throughout this series. Playing as Commander Shepard, I have travelled across the stars, lived another life, and even found love.
I know how easy it must be to believe that people are reacting negatively, even spitefully, to the conclusion to the story that we have shared. There have been many attempts to rationalize or demean their response. But their grief, and their anger, is not a sign of hate or ingratitude: it is a manifestation of our simple adoration for the story you have told us. I understand the bittersweet beauty that can be found in the present ending, but what has to be understood is the fact that we have struggled through this long journey hoping to find our own way. I can't speak for others, but I feel that Shepard deserves more.
We live in a dark world. Life is hard enough as it is. What we found in this epic tale is a cause to fight for, people to love, and a reason to care. There is something magical about this story. Its conclusion should do that magic justice. I understand that the self-sacrificial endings at present are powerful, but people want the chance, silm as it may be, to find that "happily ever after." I want that chance. This story deserves the chance, the possibility, to defy the odds. As Shepard, we've beaten those odds before. That's what's amazing about Mass Effect: against all odds, Shepard has prevailed. We know it might not be the most realistic story, but we follow it anyway. It's about suspending our disbelief and finding hope. We want to believe. In the end, all of these hurt and tired people are simply confused. All we want is something to believe in. You've given us that much. Help us lay this story to rest with dignity. Let us give Commander Shepard, and ourselves, the chance to find that "ever after." Mass Effect has been a story about choices, heroes, and love. Let's stay true to that.
Thank you.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:08
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Dear Casey Hudson,
I am not at all sure that you will be reading this, but I want to thank you for writing an official letter to the comitted fans out there. I, for one, am happy to hear that this is not the last I have seen or heard from Commander Shepard, a character whom I have invested countless hours on playing, made choices with, found new friends and companions with and explored a vast galaxy full of mysteries with.
But there is an old saying amongst writers, that it does not matter if your story is really good or really bad. As long as it has a good ending, all misstakes throughout will be forgiven, while a bad ending overshadows all the good.
I am one of those who think the ending needs to be more clear and fill in the gaps. Because this forum have a no-spoiler policy, I can not elaborate further on that here. I have done so in the forum next door instead, almost naive trusting that everyones ideas and opinions will be compiled and forwarded to your fantastic Core Team.
I want to thank you for the wonderful gaming experience I have had since the first Mass Effect game, and I hope much more is to come in the future, but I cannot stress out how important it is to me, one fan of many, to have more closure (that is, a longer epilogue), to this truly epic trilogy.
Sincerely.
I am not at all sure that you will be reading this, but I want to thank you for writing an official letter to the comitted fans out there. I, for one, am happy to hear that this is not the last I have seen or heard from Commander Shepard, a character whom I have invested countless hours on playing, made choices with, found new friends and companions with and explored a vast galaxy full of mysteries with.
But there is an old saying amongst writers, that it does not matter if your story is really good or really bad. As long as it has a good ending, all misstakes throughout will be forgiven, while a bad ending overshadows all the good.
I am one of those who think the ending needs to be more clear and fill in the gaps. Because this forum have a no-spoiler policy, I can not elaborate further on that here. I have done so in the forum next door instead, almost naive trusting that everyones ideas and opinions will be compiled and forwarded to your fantastic Core Team.
I want to thank you for the wonderful gaming experience I have had since the first Mass Effect game, and I hope much more is to come in the future, but I cannot stress out how important it is to me, one fan of many, to have more closure (that is, a longer epilogue), to this truly epic trilogy.
Sincerely.
#1436
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:28
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If you want to show that you care i want bioware to make a forum thread that has writers and Hudson talking directly to fans not hovering around the issue and posting We are listening threads but not showing us that you do care
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:38
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i would love that i think everyone would but bioware is very afraid of us. they would get creamed and could not offer one justifiable excuse for their actions. also i just got a bad feeling, that maybe this was the only endings we will get and that bioware is looking for a way to sucker us into buying dlc that is useless because it wont change the outcome of the story. but i wont give up though i will hold the line until i get satisfaction. the allies didnt give up against hitler so i will NOT give up against bioware and the ultimate evil EA (just type in youtube, hitler rants about command and conquer 4) youll see a true fans reaction to that epic series failure and killing to a series there.SirBob1613 wrote...
If you want to show that you care i want bioware to make a forum thread that has writers and Hudson talking directly to fans not hovering around the issue and posting We are listening threads but not showing us that you do care
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 02:52
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UR problem2!!!!!!IReuven wrote...
<--------- Holy cow this bloody lizard is suprised.raepox wrote...
To bad for u then! Not for them. If u r a real fan u should support the ending! Bioware did he's best 50procent is not happy 50procent is happy. Its always like that in every game! So dont blame Bioware of ur way of thinking about the game!IReuven wrote...
raepox wrote...
U r wasting your time! Simple they can't give it an other end, only for 1 reason (it will mess up there other plans) Its not that easy u know? Its not like just saying (CHANGE OF PLANS GUYS)!IReuven wrote...
Hudson used "Bull****" - It's not very effective.
Fan used "Not buying any DLC" - It's super effective. BW is starving.
Are they just trying to say that they are finished? Cause that's how it sounds like. "We will support Mass Effect 3" ( or as I like to say it's Ass Deffect 3) - does it matter?
You are not doing endings so who the hell cares? F-up Ending will stay the same, no matter how many DLC missions You are going to play thought, nothing will matter, what we will retake something?
Dragon Age 2 as I seen is F-up, what the hell? Is Bioware ending up as MMORPG company? Well bye bye then.
No EA MMORPG even lasted long.
So Mr. Hudson just take the crew and just record yourself singing:
We sold the game "And nothing else matters".
No matter what You'll do you'll get a ****ty ending "And nothing else matters"
Money is awesome, fans suck "And nothing else matters".
And for this post You are going to get banned "And nothing else matters" ( go arhead).
Still they are getting really big penal-penis for F-up most of us. One thing they are not getting is my money.
Kidding right? Seen the poll? 50 %? I gonna need to get drunk much harder to believe in that. So I am not a REAL fan! Cause the REAL fan is totally happy right? Sur buying that! If not a fan I am a customer. And I do not like to be F hardly at the end of the game series.
#1439
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 03:28
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Not much of a discussion if he posts 1 thing then dosnt say anything else o.o
#1440
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:06
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No more multiplayer... with or without, will be the same final!
No fun at all! they will loose a lot.
No fun at all! they will loose a lot.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:18
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Just voicing a thought, but what if Casey Hudson did this on purpose to wake bioware up from their current path. Just a thought.
#1442
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:24
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You did it in ME 2 why couldn't we get an ending where our choices mattered?
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:30
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I absolutely LOVED Mass Effect 3!!!! It was brilliant and beautiful. Some scenes are breath taking, the storyline mesmerizing, the cast gave an amazing performance, and all around very impressive. Very well done. This is unquestionably the best game Bioware has created. I regret then to say that while ME3 was just about perfect in my books it had no closure. Hopefully I say this because it just doesn't yet have any ending but possibly because Bioware's writers dropped the ball. The first is much more likely I think. So I will be waiting anxiously for Bioware's first satisfactory response and am sure I won't be disappointed again. Thank you for a spectacular game...now its time to finish the masterpiece. 
Follow me on Twitter @KorenaRena
And @kihten (also holding the line)
#retakemasseffect #retakeme3 #HoldTheLine
Follow me on Twitter @KorenaRena
And @kihten (also holding the line)
#retakemasseffect #retakeme3 #HoldTheLine
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 04:36
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I have indeed thought this. Intentionally creating this uproar and satisfying fans later? Possible. Though if this is the case, I'm not sure it was smart. Even if the DLC they will be releasing includes the best endings ever.....I don't know. Playing with fans emotions like that...will cost some fans no matter what they do. We have shown our dedication in several ways and we won't stop now.Devin_grim wrote...
Just voicing a thought, but what if Casey Hudson did this on purpose to wake bioware up from their current path. Just a thought.
#retakemasseffect #retakeme3 #HoldTheLine
@KorenaRena on Twitter >_<
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:08
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KorenaRena wrote...
I have indeed thought this. Intentionally creating this uproar and satisfying fans later? Possible. Though if this is the case, I'm not sure it was smart. Even if the DLC they will be releasing includes the best endings ever.....I don't know. Playing with fans emotions like that...will cost some fans no matter what they do. We have shown our dedication in several ways and we won't stop now.Devin_grim wrote...
Just voicing a thought, but what if Casey Hudson did this on purpose to wake bioware up from their current path. Just a thought.
#retakemasseffect #retakeme3 #HoldTheLine
@KorenaRena on Twitter >_<
Yes i was thinking the same thing i' ve been a big fan of bioware since i play kotor all those years ago and I never thought they would screw the fans over like this
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:25
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I had originally planned to post about my disappointment about the ending, but a thought hit me:
I am not going to claim that I am the first person to think of this (but I am too lazy to look through 58 pages on the forums and the rest of the internet). I may also be grasping at any hope that this is not the ending Bioware had intended to go out with a bang on (pun not intended). It could also be attributed to sleep deprivation (not linked to the ending of Mass Effect 3), but please bear with me.
What if the entire point of the current ending was indeed to generate conversation. By having the fans discuss and present the ideas that we would like to see in the ending, the devs are able to create a more fulfilling ending to this (until the end) amazing game. Not only will the devs be listening to the fans, but the fans will in turn be having an effect on the entire story line (which is what most people who did not like the ending want). So the devs are polling the fans for idea, not because they are lazy or run out of ideas, but because they want to end the story on the term of the fans. Again this could just be completely wrong and I do miss the days where we were sold complete games, but I have faith that Bioware will try and rectify this situation (hopefully not at the expense of us the fans). I just hope that my faith and trust is not misplaced.
Some other thoughts for Bioware:
What are the possibilities of doing a poll to see the numbers of people in favor of a re-write or not do the re-write? It would obviously have to be something fair where there was little to no possibility of people voting multiple times (using Mass Effect 3 keys to register for voting?). This would be an interesting stat to see because both sides claim to be the majority.
I can’t say that there was a favorite part of Mass Effect 3, but the most defining moment might have been the attack on Cerberus Headquarters because I finally felt like I was sticking it to the Illusive Man, though he did stay a step ahead yet again.
I am not going to claim that I am the first person to think of this (but I am too lazy to look through 58 pages on the forums and the rest of the internet). I may also be grasping at any hope that this is not the ending Bioware had intended to go out with a bang on (pun not intended). It could also be attributed to sleep deprivation (not linked to the ending of Mass Effect 3), but please bear with me.
What if the entire point of the current ending was indeed to generate conversation. By having the fans discuss and present the ideas that we would like to see in the ending, the devs are able to create a more fulfilling ending to this (until the end) amazing game. Not only will the devs be listening to the fans, but the fans will in turn be having an effect on the entire story line (which is what most people who did not like the ending want). So the devs are polling the fans for idea, not because they are lazy or run out of ideas, but because they want to end the story on the term of the fans. Again this could just be completely wrong and I do miss the days where we were sold complete games, but I have faith that Bioware will try and rectify this situation (hopefully not at the expense of us the fans). I just hope that my faith and trust is not misplaced.
Some other thoughts for Bioware:
What are the possibilities of doing a poll to see the numbers of people in favor of a re-write or not do the re-write? It would obviously have to be something fair where there was little to no possibility of people voting multiple times (using Mass Effect 3 keys to register for voting?). This would be an interesting stat to see because both sides claim to be the majority.
I can’t say that there was a favorite part of Mass Effect 3, but the most defining moment might have been the attack on Cerberus Headquarters because I finally felt like I was sticking it to the Illusive Man, though he did stay a step ahead yet again.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:45
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Vanguardor wrote...
.Some other thoughts for Bioware:
What are the possibilities of doing a poll to see the numbers of people in favor of a re-write or not do the re-write? It would obviously have to be something fair where there was little to no possibility of people voting multiple times (using Mass Effect 3 keys to register for voting?). This would be an interesting stat to see because both sides claim to be the majority.
Last poll I saw on this site had 60,000 votes, with 92% saying that the ending was a complete let down, gave them no closure, and made them feel that their decisions in the three games counted for nothing. It's not scientific, but I think that about sums it up.
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 05:55
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What was the infamous quote - about the game being memorable - unfortunately what will be memorable is the galactic foul up of the ME3 ending... not the kind of memories I would want of a game title that I claim to be so proud of and so deliberately in telling us the ending is how he intended it.
#1449
Posté 21 mars 2012 - 06:15
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So long story short, Penny Arcade and the New York Times,which some who has something to do with gaming, loved the game. And a small amount of your are upset because we dropped the ball at the end and did not answer all the questions. We have heard what you ,have said, now please buy DLC that will have nothing to do with your questions. NEW HATS FOR THE GETH IN MULTIPLAYER, DID I HEAR YOU SAY BIG HEAD MODE! My reply;Save the DLC and bury this game where it fell. Try to learn something fromValve and Bethesda on how to treat your players and write a good ending. Its called Skyrim, try looking it up. And don't make DA3 suck, DA2 was bad enough. Call DA3 your last chance with me!
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Posté 21 mars 2012 - 06:30
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I really appreciate what he wrote. The fact that he outright stated that the ENTIRE third game was the conclusion to the series, and the decisions from past games culminate in the ENTIRETY of the third game, rather than the very end, makes a lot of sense to me, and has been something that I have been thinking about ever since I got the game. I mean in Mass Effect 2 all you could control was who lived and who died at the end. It was basically the same way with ME1.
Every ME game has basically had the same ending though. Sovereign was defeated the same way. The Collector Base was blown up the same way, and now this. I didnt really expect anything less.
And the fact that the CORE of ME3 is changed so much up until the final battle really speaks to me. I mean all those different outcomes concerning the Genophage, and how past decisions have a huge effect on what happens concerning the Genophage, it just blows me away!
anyway, I really appreciate what Casey wrote, and I do hope that at least some compromise is made for the fans who ended up feeling disappointed. I on the other hand am having the time of my life.
Every ME game has basically had the same ending though. Sovereign was defeated the same way. The Collector Base was blown up the same way, and now this. I didnt really expect anything less.
And the fact that the CORE of ME3 is changed so much up until the final battle really speaks to me. I mean all those different outcomes concerning the Genophage, and how past decisions have a huge effect on what happens concerning the Genophage, it just blows me away!
anyway, I really appreciate what Casey wrote, and I do hope that at least some compromise is made for the fans who ended up feeling disappointed. I on the other hand am having the time of my life.
