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[Malice1979]

Been lurking for a while now.

I'm still attempting to work out how the ending works at all without resorting to invoking space magic as an answer.

Biggest let down since The Matrix Revolutions.

[Mandrakar]

Again more questions

[Getorex]

Nicely done Hudson. Perhaps you should have waited until you recovered from your stroke or head injury before you worked on the "ending" to ME3. That or you shouldn't have turned the writing of the ending over to a bunch of 9 year old kids.

I got my money back. I'll buy ME3 again...MAYBE...when it is selling for $10.

[Getorex]

Malice1979 wrote...

Been lurking for a while now.

I'm still attempting to work out how the ending works at all without resorting to invoking space magic as an answer.

Biggest let down since The Matrix Revolutions.

That's part of the full retard problem.  You CAN'T escape "space magic".  Changing everyone over to "new DNA" via a mere green broadcast signal with synthesis ending...leaving aside just what the f*ck "new DNA" means.  I mean, wow, you don't even need to be anywhere near any Reaper or synthetic or anything and POOF!  Magic DNA change. 

BRILLIANT!  And another act of PURE GENIOUS is to have the superretardkid spout full retard statements like, "synthetics will always turn on their creators" when you just spent good portions of 2 games proving precisely the opposite!  Seriously, that is some....wow...genious retardation right there.  And they are going to DOUBLE DOWN on the full retard and simply EXPAND on it rather than tossing it into the dungheap where it belongs and try again.

Frickin' full retard morons.

[Zhuinden]

I think this discussion pretty much resolves itself to what this comic is trying to say.

[Getorex]

Seriously people, you need to get your money back NOW. The window for refund is fast closing. Wait until this loser is $10 and buy it then if you just really have to have it. It wont be long...

[Getorex]

Zhuinden wrote...

I think this discussion pretty much resolves itself to what this comic is trying to say.

Pretty much except you CAN get your money back (Amazon will refund) OR you can exchange the game for something totally different (NOT from Bioware) from EA Games.  

[ragnorok87]

Getorex wrote...

Nicely done Hudson. Perhaps you should have waited until you recovered from your stroke or head injury before you worked on the "ending" to ME3. That or you shouldn't have turned the writing of the ending over to a bunch of 9 year old kids.

I got my money back. I'll buy ME3 again...MAYBE...when it is selling for $10.

well if the me3 ending was done by 9 yearolds it would be a thousand times better then the current me3 endings. ive actually shown the endings to my little brother even he says they sucked and he could do something better.

[ragnorok87]

casey hudson also said that multiplayer will be the focus of all future mass effect series games and that they are more important and that story doesnt matter as much compared to the multiplayer.

[Getorex]

ragnorok87 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Nicely done Hudson. Perhaps you should have waited until you recovered from your stroke or head injury before you worked on the "ending" to ME3. That or you shouldn't have turned the writing of the ending over to a bunch of 9 year old kids.

I got my money back. I'll buy ME3 again...MAYBE...when it is selling for $10.

well if the me3 ending was done by 9 yearolds it would be a thousand times better then the current me3 endings. ive actually shown the endings to my little brother even he says they sucked and he could do something better.

Point taken.  Perhaps a kindergartener would be more appropriate.  That or I must assume that Hudson has suffered a stroke or TBI and is no longer capable of coherent thought (and writing). 

[Getorex]

ragnorok87 wrote...

casey hudson also said that multiplayer will be the focus of all future mass effect series games and that they are more important and that story doesnt matter as much compared to the multiplayer.

Christ on a crutch.  Hadn't heard/read that.  THAT sucks.

Multiplayer "more important". Well.  How much story is in multiplayer?  NOT A LICK.  It is ENTIRELY run and gun.  That's it.  

Full retard.  Absolutely full retard.

[ragnorok87]

i think casey is suffering some mad cow disease. thats where the brain turns into a sponge. he should be in the hospital not making games.

[mds-1965]

Hi to all Fans of this great game,
For me, and I think for many more Fans, Mass Effect Saga is one of the best stories, best RPG games ever made since 2006. Is so reach in all aspects (desighns, arquitetures, storie, characters, visual, concepts, etc...) that I really would like to congratulate Casey Hudson (if possible in person) my self.
Well... I finish ME-3 w/ John Sheppard as soldier and followed the paragon path (most of it), the storie was so serious, intense, a lettle dark, and very exiting, but... when you face the Ilusive Man in the real end, than that "Light Child" appears... hummm i really don't get it, the storie line become more speritual and was a sad end for Sheppard, was a petty. All Mass Effects games was so glamorous, so gorgeous, that the end I expected more. May be the destroction of the Reapers a really big finale for a Hero, but... the main characters die.... Geeeeezzzz.
So... ??? The Reapers was the left hand of God (The Creation) ??? I would like to shere these thoghts with others fans and receive the opinion of the understanding of the Conclusion of ME-3.
NOTE: I hope ME never end....
Cheers from Brazil !!!

[Travie]

Casey Hudson says a lot of things.

He said ME3 wouldn't have an A,B,C ending.

Casey Hudson says a lot of things.

[wintervale]

Travie wrote...

Casey Hudson says a lot of things.

He said ME3 wouldn't have an A,B,C ending.

Casey Hudson says a lot of things.

This.

Does anyone else giggle when reading the ME3 account description on twitter? Specifically, it says "decide how it ends".

[ragnorok87]

wintervale wrote...

Travie wrote...

Casey Hudson says a lot of things.

He said ME3 wouldn't have an A,B,C ending.

Casey Hudson says a lot of things.

This.

Does anyone else giggle when reading the ME3 account description on twitter? Specifically, it says "decide how it ends".

i dont giggle i cry and vomit. it makes me sick.

[kkr]

I think everyone who is opposing the thought of the endings needs to take a minute and relax. I humbly ask all fans to be a little more considerate to the developers especially, Mr. Casey Hudson, for even considering fans important enough to listen to. I also have stated before on a different forum and will state now on this forum a vast majority of fans have approached the developers in the wrong way. I believed the fans should have asked the developers kindly, instead of instigating a petition to force people to edit their work on an extraordinary game series, even though many will judge this course of action as being meager and soft. I am not condemning anyone’s ideas or attempt to bring shame down upon anyone, I just believe that a compromise among the developers and fans should be civil and, to some degree, friendly. I would also like to personally thank any Bioware staff members and fans for reading the perspectives of just another simple uncomplicated fan.

[ragnorok87]

bioware is deserving of neither pity or mercy

[kkr]

As a faithful fan to bioware, and as a person who believes in the fact that mistakes and oversights are almost unavoidable on projects the scale of mass effect 3, I feel that it is crucial that i stand on both sides of the field with both the developers on one side and the fans on the other. (1) On the first side (the developers), I feel that it is in the end the developers who have the last words in the making of their creation, and that the fans should have respectfully and kindly requested additional endings instead of trying to violate a companies as well as individual free will by demanding ,with little to no respect at the behest of the fans for such a outstanding game series, they create new endings.(2) On the other side (the fans), I believe that the mass effect franchise is not a simple collaboration of games, but an individual experience for each and every gamer. For this reason, I believe that the fans are not as outraged as they seem, but confused, saddened, and believe it or not heartsick that the endings were what they were, very identical and spotted with uncertainty. The fans would love descent closure to multiple oversights in many different ways, whether it be to only correct the issue of the plot holes, insure more hope, or for those who are inclined to be stubborn and a little unrealistic (myself included) wanted an ending that had Shepard and his/her friends( including love interest) survive, go to a bar, get treated like the heroes they are and get blind drunk because of their victory over the reapers. I speak for all the fans, who will allow me to speak for them, when I say that as the fans who still respect the staff of bioware we ask bioware with all possible kindness of them to consider the idea of refined endings. Even if this ideology is not considered, I KeAaron Roberts would like to thank any bioware staff member and fan for reading the perspectives of just one simple Mass Effect fan.

[Filurija]

ParagonGreg wrote...

Honestly, what IS so bad about a happy ending? Is it really that bad for the audience to feel good about themselves at the end? Even if Shepard dies, why can't everyone else have a happy ending? The Dragon Age Origins ending was better.

I agree at least give us a choice for a happy ending.

[ExplosiveMage]

hey guys, im not a mod or anything, but Casey is still human, lets keep the insults to a minimum and keep the discussion respectful

[kkr]

I completely agree. I've been trying to lead people on different forums towards more accepting and civil ways to voice their opinions.

[alx119]

Some days ago I wrote a little something "On Casey Hudson's words", and I see it fitting from this thread. I thought this thread was locked for some reason, so here it is anyways: 

I would like to do my final "vent" about the ending of Mass Effect 3 by doing a bit of an analysis of what Casey Hudson said about the Conclusion. Because reading it, feels sort of a tad insulting and I -need- to get it out of my chest. No offense to Mr. Hudson, I'm -not- going to attack him, but merely to -question- his words regarding the conclusion. 

It's going to be long, so to make the thread a bit more interactive and in case TL;WR, what do YOU think of his statement regarding the ending and whole movement #ReTakeMassEffect3 and Hold the Line? As always, please be respectful and adress to ideas and opinions, rather than insults and attacks towards Casey himself. 


Let's go by parts! 

There’s been a lot of discussion and debate about the conclusion of Mass Effect 3, so I thought I’d share my  perspective with you here. I’ll avoid outright spoilers, but I’d still recommend finishing the game and experiencing it for yourself before reading this.  

For the last eight years, Mass Effect  has been a labor of love for our team; love for the characters we’ve created, for the medium of video games, and for the fans that have supported us.  For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made as a player since the journey began in 2007. So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of your actions.  You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey.

First fatal error, from his statement. It DOES NOT feel nor acomplish any of the stated. The decisions you take throughout the three MEs are in fact, rather pointless. After the ending, you feel like you could have rushed ME3 without problems. What are the assets worth? Nothing. What is uniting the whole galaxy worth? Nothing. Where do you show the consequences of your actions? No place. Which knowledge do you carry after the final moments of your journey? NONE! Because you don't know what the hell just happened. You can make theories, and there's already a lot. And that's fun! If you want to continue the damn series (not recommended if you KILL the protagonist btw and it's whole galaxy btw). But you are saying this game provides, as of now, all of those features, when in fact, it does not, and very clearly so. 

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way.  Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.

This is what infuriates me the most in the whole adress. I now see how the logic of the Catalyst AI works for you guys, because that has a very twisted one. So, let's get it straight, you are saying that basically, all the agonizing decissions that Shepard had to make along the way makes him deserving of dying/dying/almostdyingkillingfriendsandwholecivilizationsandprobablythewholegalaxy. 
Gee, yeah, it would be insulting to give Shepard a happy ending. He has suffered a lot, so we have to kill him, and all what he fought for. The logic hurts. 

And again, it does not feel as no victory. It feels as complete defeat, as we follow the plan laid out by a selfish AI with god complex. It feels like you have no choice. There is no place for sacrifice, it's a forced choice. And we don't even know if the sacrifice is worth it, we only see everything blowing up and every civilization being wiped out. If that's what you wanted to acomplish, then mission acomplished. But don't talk about reflection, because this ending only leads to one reflection: No matter how much you struggle, in the end it means nothing. You are forced to choose, and you won't be able to make your own path. I think the philosophy backfire here.

Quoting Saren Arterius: Isn't submision preferable to extinction? 
Shepard answer was simply: We can beat them.  Not even a yes or no. 

What we got? Extinction via ultimate submission.

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the ] declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to[/color] Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received.   

Did they even finish the game? But, no matter, undoublty there's people who's bound to like the endings. And hey, good for them. I'm not even kidding, anything better than feeling depressed for a damn videogame because you got a, excuse the language, ****ty ending. 

But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series.

Again, the flaw is that we don't get closure, nor answers, nor time to say goodbye. We get external choices rub in our faces, and a short cinematic that explains nothing. (And feels like another insult, "You doomed the whole galaxy, but hey at least they made it out alive, aren't you happy? Eh? Aren't we good?). 

I am extremely proud of what this team has accomplished, from the first art concepts for the Mass Effect universe to the final moments of Mass Effect 3.  But we didn't do it on our own.  Over the course of the series, Mass Effect has been a shared experience between the development team and our fans—not just a shared experience in playing the games, but in designing and developing them.  An outpouring of love for Garrus and Tali led to their inclusion as love interests in Mass Effect 2.  A request for deeper RPG systems led to key design changes in Mass Effect 3.  Your feedback has always mattered.  Mass Effect is a collaboration between developers and players, and we continue to listen. 

Ok, this one is personal. As a story-teller myself, I wonder, how do you feel proud by killing your protagonist, and all what he fought for? How is it possible to feel proud of pretty much destroying your whole universe, the whole thing the people in your universe called Mass Effect? I will never understand when creators kill off their protagonist for the sake of story telling, unless very well done (which is rare) it's a useless resource that's bound to make people unhappy and leave a disappointment feeling overall. It's like you don't really mean when you say you love your characters. You make them go through hell, and back, and back again to finally let them see dying without their chance to enjoy their success. Or hell not even letting them succeed at all (THIS CASE).
I understand, however, that it must be really overjoying to see how you created three incredible games, and how well was the overall reception of them. 

Up to the ending. 

ME3 is brilliant, simply brilliant, up to the ending. It honestly feels like they got tired of Mass Effect, and are getting rid of it the best way possible: By blowing everything up with no possibility of reconstruction. I'm -sure- this is not the case, but the feel is there. 

So where do we go from here? Throughout the next year, we will support Mass Effect 3 by working on new  content.  And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.  

We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work together to shape the remaining experiences in the story of the Mass Effect trilogy.

Thanks for taking this journey with us.
 
Casey Hudson

 
Only time will tell when and how do we hear of Commander Shepard again. 

You're very welcome of course, but the journey is sure ending in a way that leads to let it rot and be forgotten. Doesn't feel like a worthy journey, in other words. I'm honestly forced to "forget about it". 

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And done, I just needed to let it out. I do hope I don't get banned, and please take not that I'm discussing with -my- own opinions his words, I'm questioning them. I am not attacking anyone, and I do this out of respect and love for the franchise that this man has brought us. With the hopes that it can become something better, and get as far away as possible from the "forgetable" lable. 

Modifié par alx119, 25 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[Ihatebadgames]

ragnorok87 wrote...

casey hudson also said that multiplayer will be the focus of all future mass effect series games and that they are more important and that story doesnt matter as much compared to the multiplayer.

Wow what a ,guess I can save money,time and blood pressure meds.This makes who gets my money real easy.

[Eylos]

bioware since dragon age 2 have been disapointing me a lot =/
me 3 is a excellent game but the ending just ruins it, i hope the developers see the mistake they have done =(