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Less marketing lies, more work into the game.

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lukasevening wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Your confidence is misplaced. Noone would do this as a marketing stunint. It has cost them more than they can regain in half a decade even if they do everthinng right.


I simply can't believe that they ruined half a decade of great work in 15 minutes of crappy ending by mistake. There have to be a logical explanation.


They did the same thing to DA...

In any case, perhaps they are tired of doing the game and want to focus on the Uwe Boll movie version!  From other tidbits it sounds like they are more interested in the EASY game: action-focused.  No more worries about dialog, tracking dialog choices, relationships, etc.  Just action.  Easy.   Makes for easy MP too.  There is some comment out there about them being focused more on DLC for ME MP than the real game...

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 Why does joker exit the Normandy wreckage with a grin in any ending? Same epilogue?
That seems to undermine the journey and the promise of wildly diverging endings.

If seeing Shepard breathing is the best possible ending, then why can't we get an EMS high enough in SP to get it despite reassurances that u can get aforementioned ending sans MP or apps?)

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No matter what he said he would have been attacked. It's a lose-lose situation and be content that they are working on it.

Give them a chance to correct these mistakes.

I personally hated the endings but I am going to wait this out. In the long scheme of things it hasn't even been a month and they are already in the works to correct their mistakes. (We will see if they truly listened or not in a few weeks...) Plus it is natural to try and defend himself, his staff and his brainchild.

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Plumwinebunny wrote...


I personally hated the endings but I am going to wait this out.


There is wisdom in your words. I squirt my approval all over them.

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This is what i have a problem with reguarding the curent ending for mass effect 3

No1 If i chose to destroy the reapers which should be classed as a paragon ending not a renegade one why should it lead to the destruction of the geth afther you have gone to all the trouble of creating peace between the geth and the quarians who now live on the same planet together helping each other and have vowed to help you defeat the reapers it means that when the starchild or whatever u whant to call him says all synthetics will attack organnics it is a lie cause any one who played ME1 and ME2 knows that the geth there only attack organnics cause they were being controlled by saren who was indoctrinated by the reapers therefore the reapers were in control then we have EDI gain a synthetic with no intest in attacking organnics in fact in my play throughs shes in a relations ship with one so therefore if i chose to destroy the reapers it should destroy only the reapers .

No2 Why dose the normandy apparently run away from the battle what did joker suddenly decide to go for a joyride in the midle of battle it makes no scense like much of the ending .

There are more questions but i hope they will be sorted out if the rumours are true that we may be gettin somekind of answer in the form of DLC but theres a lot for them to answer like if we get the ending were shepard lives show us dont just show a person takin a single breath show us shepard being found alive being reunited with his or her LI . show us what happened to the rest of the squad to the other races that surviveed and and the mass relays should not be destroyed in any ending as doin so makes no scense at all if these and other questions and plotholes could be fixed then i would consider paying for the DLC if it is worth it . Mass effect 3 is a briliant game one of the best i have played in long time excluding ME1 and ME2 but it is let down by a riddiculus ending that ruins the whole game and means what ever choices you made before hand mean nothing .

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Starbrat: "Synthetics will always turn on their creators."

Shepard: "Uuuhh. No. See, I was on this little planet called Rannoch not too long ago where I did get into a dustup with Geth and, yes, they are synthetics, BUT...it was the organics, the QUARIANS, that started that little tif. In addition, I met up with my best synthetic bud Legion there, my man, and he showed me the actual history of the Geth:Quarian argument. Know what little sh*t? The QUARIANS, the organic CREATORS of the Geth started it back then too! Pow! Two directly contradictiing examples that invalidate your assinine statement! But there's more so keep yer yap shut punk. See, after meeting up with my man Legion, we set out and altered the Geth so that they are virtually living creature now rather than 'just' synthetics. AND THEY MADE PEACE WITH THE QUARIANS! That's right brat, they made peace with the Quarians who were hellbent on totally wrecking them! Yet another counter-example to your asinine statement! They are not only friends now, but they are SHARING Rannoch AND the Geth are helping the Quarians re-acclimate to life on Rannoch without their environment suits! Holy sh*t! What does THAT do to your thesis kiddo? But STILL there's more! See, we got this AI on my ship the Normandy. She has recently acquired a physical synthetic humanoid body and guess what? Go ahead mouthbreather, guess...OK, give up? She not only does NOT want to attack and kill us organics, she is currently IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE! She's also doing her damnedest to BE one of us organics! POW POW and POW! Your idiot statement that 'synthetics always turn on their creators' is a LOAD OF SH*T."

There's more that Shepard could say to totally destroy the little starbrat's moronic statements but I'd say just that alone would have made the little bastard crap his diaper and run to mommy crying. Like Shepard COULD go into how the Geth that were a problem for organics before? In ME1 and ME2? They were UNDER FULL CONTROL OF THE REAPERS! They were not doing their "natural thing", they were influenced to attack organics BY THE REAPERS. That's right, the Reapers are influencing a SUBSET of Geth to attack organics...becausethey wont do it on their own! WTF? Isn't that the purpose of the Reapers? To PREVENT such synthetics from attacking organics? So why are they USING those selfsame synthetics to do exactly what the Reapers are supposed to prevent?

Good, epic ending my @SS. Full on retarded ending is more accurate.

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In short, ME3 is an INCOMPLETE good game because it is only good before the final assault.
"No closure, plot holes, similar ending scenes + DLC ad"
What is this? This is something really insulting.
Bioware didn't complete ME3 and we are just reminding you.
I won't buy any more game from Bioware until ME3 is fixed.
(And I did give up DA series last time.)
I hope Bioware won't get more failure next time.

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I look at this as being less on Bioware and more on EA however I will say that I was disappointed. I liked DA2 but I'm guessing I was it. This time it just sort of fells like they stopped the game before the end every moment was awesome right up till ghost kid started. I really hope Bioware releases the rest of this game.

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ragnorok87 wrote...

casey hudson also said that multiplayer will be the focus of all future mass effect series games and that they are more important and that story doesnt matter as much compared to the multiplayer.


You wanna provide a link or a quote to back that statement up?

I only ask because I don't believe a single letter in that sentence. It is all complete conjecture on your part.

The verbal venom on this forum is downright pathetic. These developers are doing what they are paid to do...yes...but at the same time they absolutely LOVE the ME universe as much as we do.  I  agree that the ending was a punch in the gut, and I think it could have been handled better. But they aren't done yet, and it's actively known that they are working on providing closure to the greatest "single player" experience in gaming today. They want to correct this not only because they want to pad their bottom line, but also because I've never seen developer that actively incorporates player feedback like this company does.

Full disclosure here, I believe in the Indoctrination theory.
www.youtube.com/watch

I believe that Bioware gave us "their fans" too much credit in our ability to unravel the ending they provided. Some on the internet have now done so, but it's happened too late in the game (I.e. after teh angry fanboy blowback) and the damage to the franchise has been done. I think I anticipated a little discussion and confusion, but this anger did catch them off guard. It turns out that "their fans" might not be the trusting highminded philosophical gamers they thought.

I seriously think this is a case where they overestimated our ability to read into things...

At the end of the day I'm still happy knowing that they are working on more story content and that I can spend just a little bit longer with this world I enjoy. I do think that they'll do right on this conclusion, we just need to be patient.

In the meantime PAX east is quickly approaching. Let's see what comes of that.

Modifié par mcgreggers99, 26 mars 2012 - 12:33 .


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This thread is moving slower than the rest of the forums, so this is probably a good place to not get lost in the shuffle.

First off, I want to thank Bioware for making an awesome game trilogy, and the third game is even better than the first two, in my opinion. There are some relatively minor gripes I have with the conversation system, and some of the Citadel fetch quests were bugged (couldn't complete the Hanar Diplomat one on my playthrough, for example.) But by and large, the atmosphere, the setting, the squad banter, all was great. I really liked the fact that conversations with your crew happened other places than on the Normandy. I'm even ok with Zaeed/Kasumi style dialogue for your crew if it allows this level of interaction. They move around the Normandy, talk to each other, have conversations over the com, etc. I would prefer a larger amount of traditional conversations like ME1&2, but again, that's a part of the minor gripes I have with the conversation system in general. I'm saying this so you all can realize that your hard work is appreciated. I LOVED this game, from start to...well, almost finish.

And there's the problem. If the Indoctrination theory is correct, then you shipped us an incomplete game, where the battle with the reapers is still ongoing. Thus, the reapers haven't been defeated, the story hasn't ended, and all of that. I would actually be more angry if the Indoc. Theory is correct, simply because of this fact. You didn't sell me a complete game, and I bought the game on the premise that it was complete and an ending to Shepard's story.

If the Indoc theory isn't correct, (my personal belief, btw), then you've given us a set of endings that are full of plot holes and inconsistancies with established lore. In short, it's sloppy writing, sloppy execution where the plot holes weren't filled like they should have been or whatever the case may be.

I want to let it be known officially that I have no need for Shepard to have a rainbows and unicorns fairy tale ending. I would like there to be an option to get something along these lines, but I don't need it. I'm fine with Shepard dying, sacrificing herself to save the galaxy, or the LI dying and Shepard living (a sadder ending, in my opinion, actually). I don't need happy, I need it to make sense.

The plotholes and inconsistancies have been addressed multiple times and in multiple places, so I won't go over them too much here, but I wanted to point out the two big ones I have the most problem with. Namely, the Catalyst's very existance as the guy behind the Reapers, and the entire scene with Joker, the Normandy and your crew.

The Catalyst completely destroys the plot of Mass Effect 1, and by extension Mass Effect 2. If the Catalyst controls the reapers, and the Citadel is a part of the Catalyst (as said in game), then why does Sovereign need to send a signal to the keepers to activate the Citadel Relay to dark space? Why can't the Catalyst do it himself? This is not explained in any kind of way, and I'm not sure there's a satisfying way to explain it. I hope you prove me wrong if you address this in any potential DLC, but the Catalyst himself negates the entire point of the series.

Secondly, how did Joker end up in the mass relay system to be hit by the beam going from relay to relay? How did the Normandy crash on a garden world, when the engines had been destroyed by the beam (watch the cutscene), not to mention the huge gaping holes in the hull of the ship? How did the entire crew end up on the Normandy, when they were on Earth during the final battle? You also had 2 crew members with you on the final run to the beam, and only you and Anderson survived (according to radio transmissions, everyone died). How did they end up on the Normandy? Why even have the Normandy running from the battle before the Crucible fired, destroying the relay network? Joker would have had to turn and run away from an ongoing battle for the entire sequence to make sense, and Joker wouldn't have done that. His actions at the first Battle of the Citadel vs Sovereign, and his appearance at the airlock door at the end of ME2 prove that he's no coward, and will do what he can to help his team win. He wouldn't have run.

There are more issues with the similarities of the ending cinematics when we were promised widely diverging endings, but those I can ignore, if not happily. The two points above are my major beef with the ending. What I've seen from Bioware over the last two weeks seems to be defending the ending when it's clear to many fans that the ending really isn't defensible. I won't say any more for fear of resorting to hyperbole, but Bioware, hear my last thoughts on this, please.

The entire game was a masterpiece. The ending ruined the entire series for me. I have 3 more Shepards that I had planned to run through ME3, and I just can't get them past Mars. I'm playing the MP as of now, because that is fun, but the SP as it stands is ruined. I replayed ME1 and 2 at least 8-10 times each, and I finished ME3 once.

Take this criticism as intended, and even if you do nothing about ME3's endings, please, please don't do this in a future game. We the fans, your customer base, the ones who buy your games and pay your salaries, don't want to see this travesty again.

Modifié par Khevan77, 26 mars 2012 - 06:09 .


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I just finished ME3 and the game is perfect but the end sucks!!!! I hope someone is going to change something.....in the near future

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AMEN Khevan77. Exactly my words. I LOVE this Universe. I read every ME comic, every ME book. Everything was PERFECT. But all endings were some king of sacrifice for Shepard. I know, It's relatively ""GOOD"" end. I know, it's strong emotion feedback to let him die(sacrifice). ...BUT... after so many bad things what happend all over the ME game, comics, oh my... in books, that I really expect GOOD END. Anyway, I really hope, then Bioware HIDING SOME SURPRICE. Maybe naive, but i want to believe.

NOW, JUST SUGGESTIONS:

1. As once said before, DLC(for example) with side missions for squadmates would be wonderfull.
2. DLC "Take Back OMEGA". Story and Aria self calls for it. "Queen of pirates takes back what's her"
3.Deeper explanation what happends with other squadmates. Or is it hide in words of that man, witch speak to the child at the end: "......OK, ONE MORE STORY ?"

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mcgreggers99 wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

casey hudson also said that multiplayer will be the focus of all future mass effect series games and that they are more important and that story doesnt matter as much compared to the multiplayer.


You wanna provide a link or a quote to back that statement up?

I only ask because I don't believe a single letter in that sentence. It is all complete conjecture on your part.

The verbal venom on this forum is downright pathetic. These developers are doing what they are paid to do...yes...but at the same time they absolutely LOVE the ME universe as much as we do.  I  agree that the ending was a punch in the gut, and I think it could have been handled better. But they aren't done yet, and it's actively known that they are working on providing closure to the greatest "single player" experience in gaming today. They want to correct this not only because they want to pad their bottom line, but also because I've never seen developer that actively incorporates player feedback like this company does.

Full disclosure here, I believe in the Indoctrination theory.
www.youtube.com/watch

I believe that Bioware gave us "their fans" too much credit in our ability to unravel the ending they provided. Some on the internet have now done so, but it's happened too late in the game (I.e. after teh angry fanboy blowback) and the damage to the franchise has been done. I think I anticipated a little discussion and confusion, but this anger did catch them off guard. It turns out that "their fans" might not be the trusting highminded philosophical gamers they thought.

I seriously think this is a case where they overestimated our ability to read into things...

At the end of the day I'm still happy knowing that they are working on more story content and that I can spend just a little bit longer with this world I enjoy. I do think that they'll do right on this conclusion, we just need to be patient.

In the meantime PAX east is quickly approaching. Let's see what comes of that.


Let's assume that IT is correct.  Still, nothing short of the FREE DLC will save the image of BW/EA.  Ship something with paid DLC the first day.  Then not to include the true ending and charge more money to conclude the game.  Real business smarts.  I would bet that the majority of people on this forum would still pay for the epilogue DLC, but I, personally, from that point on, would never buy BW/EA game on the first day.  Wait till it has all the DLCs and and all reviews in and is discounted by 50% and I will pick it up used at GameStop. Or not pick it up at all. 

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everyone should just relax, we know there will be dlc cause EVERYONE is complaining about the ending, seriously should just be thankful for what we got for now, it really is'nt even that bad of an ending besides that it doesn't explain enough about your choices and thats what the dlc will be about i bet...

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Just finished Mass Effect 3.

After being a fan of all three titles I am bitterly disappointed with the ending. It is not an exaggeration to say it has ruined the whole experience for me.

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If Casey Hudsen did write the end, as it is rumored, then it is time to defend the supposed ART Image IPB

Be proud of your work and stop hiding in a hole.

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If that was the intended ending then it's an embarrassment.

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New Universe wrote...

In short, ME3 is an INCOMPLETE good game because it is only good before the final assault.
"No closure, plot holes, similar ending scenes + DLC ad"
What is this? This is something really insulting.
Bioware didn't complete ME3 and we are just reminding you.
I won't buy any more game from Bioware until ME3 is fixed.
I hope Bioware won't get more failure next time.


^

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An word on how much of the ending DLC will be changed? Like will Anderson live? Will they get red of that crap with the Normandy fleeing the battle? Or are they going to address this at that conference in April?

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Worst sequel ever!!!

Fortunately,I did learn a lesson...or 2.

Never buy EA....never buy Bioware.

It is a lesson that has cost me....lots of money,over the years.
I'll not make the same mistake again.

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Well, I finished the game yesterday...

And it still is haunting me today. I thought it was a beautiful ending.

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Jonwes wrote...

Well, I finished the game yesterday...

And it still is haunting me today. I thought it was a beautiful ending.


It haunted you? I beat it five days ago and I've developed a minor case of insomnia since then. Every night the ending invades my consiousnous and asks all the terrible questions it's forced upon me.

Only slower and over the course of three hours before my brain implodes from exhaustion.

I've barely made it a week and I have until mid April until these questions will (oh god hopefully) be addressed.

The ending still haunts me today. And it will for a while longer........

((edit: I realized I was in the non-spoiler section- its corrected now))

Modifié par LockeHunter, 27 mars 2012 - 05:01 .


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finally beat ME3 again. had to go back thru the first two games and fix a few [significant] canon issues before tackling a completionist run. the effort was well worth the investment

still deciding how best to leave more detailed feedback. ego says start a new topic, intellect says send an email or type a letter. regardless, screaming at the wind will still feel good

Mass Effect 3 is fantastic

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I love ME3, it really lifts you to another level, grows to a crescendo, but... well you know... :?:blush::o:crying::(
Just imagine if you had done this to SWTOR... but maybe that's why you did it to ME3, run out of time and resources huh?

BioWare, if you are looking for damage control read these excellent articles:

Warning! Spoilers ahead!

"Why we are right"
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

"Why you/we enjoy art and the one problem with Mass Effect 3"
http://www.themetaga...oblem-with.html

BIOWARE, A HAPPY ENDING IS NOT THE ISSUE. STICK WITH YOUR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY AND FREEDOM BUT KEEP THE ABOVE MENTIONED ARTICLES IN MIND!

Modifié par Josen, 28 mars 2012 - 08:17 .