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#1751
TommyNg

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I am a hardcore ME fans played nearly 10 time in ME2 and . I enjoy playing so much even though the ending sucks.
I cant understand why let 1 % of mistake ruined the entire game. Fixing the ending is just easy considering the effort put in the whole game, just delete the last 5 min,
Then make a reasonable , conclusion , (not necessary a happy one ) as the ending not make sense. Make a final boss fight , explain the consequence of renegade paradon choice more detail.
I will buy the DLC if the DLC can affect the outcome of the ending.

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Dreez

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bla bla bla, save my face, bla bla bla save my face, bla bla bla we will make DLCs with still crappy endings that you have to pay for so satan can get more money, bla bla bla....


took out the wall of text and printed what he really said.

Modifié par Dreez, 29 mars 2012 - 05:42 .


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superantwan

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Can we at least see wat happens to our crew! And love interest. Plezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Valorefane Dragonwinter

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So Casey Hudson kicked all the other writers out, wrote his own ending and didn't get any kind of sign off from anyone else? Nice.... And they wonder why a majority of fans are mad?

#1755
Space85Cowboy

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Have played all three games from day one. Personally I thought the ending was fine. Get over it and get angry about something in this world that actually matters...

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Space85Cowboy wrote...

Have played all three games from day one. Personally I thought the ending was fine. Get over it and get angry about something in this world that actually matters...


No because the ending was NOT fine.

It was objectively incoherent.  It is self-contradictory and illogical.  It is not fine.  You cannot simply slap any old ending on any old story (and the game series IS a story) and say, "Ta-da!  Done."   Nope, not done.

A blind and deaf retarded infant could see the ending made NO SENSE, was totally off the wall, violated EVERY rule of storytelling/narrative since Socrates and earlier.  

They do not get a pass on this.

#1757
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ile_1979 wrote...

Shadewe wrote...

Fprte wrote...
3. Forcing people to play a half(word for butt) multiplayer just to get the "best colored ending"


Just to inform you, but on my first play through consisted on not playing the Multiplayer and I got the best ending.

I was disappointed in the ending myself, but the game was great to play.


How did you get 4000+ EMS without MP?


Likely "cheating" with edited coalesced file.  It is easy to jack up readiness, etc, with gibbed editor and similar.  Doesn't count though.

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http://www.tampabay....o-games/1222399
Mass Effect 3's ho-hum finale is now a low point in video games

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To clearify things.


The damage is done Bioware.  You created possibilities for  the greatest gaming triology,
built up a lojal and almost fanatically devoted fanbase. You invented and created characters for
the game which intrigued and engaged millions of players.

When Mass Effect was released, it was an Epic game of epic epicness.
The story was jawdropping, as was the graphics.  You made us longing for the sequel, which
was recieved with somewhat less cheering, but none the less well received.

You gave us options and made us feel a part of something grand, to make decisions which
would affect not only the game at hand, but the story in the sequels. No developer had ever
given the players that kind of engaging gameplay and driven story.

You probably made some players re-play the entire game because they had gotten so
attached to a crew-member that they wouldn't have it that said member died or was removed
due to some options and decided to restart and build a better chanse to save him/her.


And then you released ME3.  Stupified gameplay, less story and the ending which was of
epic proportions, in a bad way, where none of our choices really had an affect of the grand finale.
AND you release a DLC on the very same day you release the game, which is the final insult to
the fanbase which you built up over the past 5-6 years.


So. To conclude this.   Nothing, and i repeat, NOTHING you do in the future, will repair the
damage you have done to your reputation.  You will always be known as the developers who
had the chance to create the greatest saga ever experience in a game, and you flushed it
down the toilett, and you don't even have the courtesy to apologize to your fans.

Before ME3 was released, i had made up my mind, i was going to buy the entire collection
in the big box, if it ever were to be released as a ME-collection.  But now, after seing how
you literally STOMPED on your fans with both DA2 and ME3, i have decided not to buy one
more game from you, unless it's on PC-best buy 10$..... maybe, just to have them.


One question i would really love to get an answer to, or actually 2 questions.

1:  Did you really believe that your Mass Effect Fanbase would be happy and satisfied with the ending?.
2:  If you didn't, then why did you release the game in that shape?.

And if you did believe we would be happy about the ending, you clearly haven't been paying
attention to, or listening to your ME-fans at all.



/Diggot out.

#1760
venom56321489

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Well said Dreez!

#1761
ITA_Xenos

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Dreez it's right, nothing more to add.

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ditto

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Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...

So Casey Hudson kicked all the other writers out, wrote his own ending and didn't get any kind of sign off from anyone else? Nice.... And they wonder why a majority of fans are mad?


Actually this is incorrect and is based on some internet fake story. Sadley a lot of people believe it to be true which speaks volumes about how BW have just messed up in resent times.

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Dreez, thank you, well said, nothing to add.

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How's about a reply Mr Hudson to Dreez's comment!!

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bip78 wrote...

How's about a reply Mr Hudson to Dreez's comment!!


+1

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I have to disagree with both Penny Arcade and New York times on their review of the game, but that's for a different thread.

This was the first time I had ever heard of a fundraising campaign for a game, strictly with the intent of having the endings redone. That alone should say how, epicly the endings failed to satisfy a large number of players.
 
can understand the desire to make ME3's endings bittersweet, given that the whole premise behind the game was the survival of every major species in the galaxy. Bittersweet endings especially for a series, are next to impossible to pull off.... The problem with bittersweet endings, is that critical mix. Too much of one or the other throws it off completely. ME3 had endings. They weren't Good or Bad. They weren't even bitter sweet. They were endings that really didn't seem to belong to the series at all. It felt like they were thrown in there at the last minute strictly to meet deadlines. These endings nearly kill the feelings not just of ME3, but the rest of the series. You are left with feelings of "that's it?!". This is compounded by the questions brought up by the cutscenes during the credits.


On a side note, I truely hope those cutescenes aren't indicative of the possibility of there being a ME 4. I would prefer that Mass Effect stayed true to it's idea of being a trilogy and not falling to sequilitis. Though if ME 4 is slated, I just hope it does not deal with the Reapers or Collectors, as that would in my mind cheapen Commander Shepard's story. There were plenty of other things that were brought up that could be the basis for a fourth game.

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I hope bioware is listening to us because i see no need for more feed back required at this point and i agree that i would rather have bioware stay true to their previous works than give us the yo dawg meme. God those endings were terrible

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Umm 98% of the game was amazing...the last 10 minutes taken at face value sucked! You people saying the story and gameplay are bad, are on some serious drugs....get over yourselves

If they planned this all along(who knows?) Then I can understand people being mad about buying an unfinished game....but maybe you should be patient and wait til April, when they announce whatever it is they are going to announce....and then maybe you can decide whether to Rage or not

ME1 is one of the best games ever made.....and its my favorite....and I can say without a doubt that ME3 "can" be better than ME1 if there is in fact more to the ending that is yet to be released.....taking the last 10 minutes at face value is just a downer though....other than that, it has the best combat, gameplay, and squad banter out of the entire series....

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There was no sweet to this "bitter sweet" ending. No mass relays = no galactic community. No mass relays = no Mass Effect. Everything accomplished throughout the games amount to nothing if the galactic community is severed and all the races are thrown back into the space exploration dark ages. I would rather the Reapers had succeeded knowing that other species would rise to the Citadel than the current races survive but unable to leave their home systems. The galaxy suddenly became a very lonely place.

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So did Casey Hudson apologise yet? Not necessarily for the appalling ending (although that would be nice), but for the numerous misleading pre-release statements about the ending?
I think we at least deserve that much.

Modifié par DigitalAvatar, 30 mars 2012 - 04:08 .


#1772
PaxtonFetel

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Look at this man. It was he who killed the most successful science fantasy universe.
A good resume Casey Hudson. :whistle:

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Vincent Rosevalliant

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capncraycray wrote...

There was no sweet to this "bitter sweet" ending. No mass relays = no galactic community. No mass relays = no Mass Effect.  The galaxy suddenly became a very lonely place.


Agreed. it was just bitter.
Standing at the graves of your fallen comrades, or vice versa, is bittersweet. Knowing the galaxy is a better place cause you were in it is bittersweet. Losing, but never giving up so no regret, is bittersweet.
This was just horrible, illogical, nonsensical  writing. And it shames not just the fans for buying it, but mostly the people involved in it's creation, wasting all that time and effort on a throwaway game.

Bioware, you were sitting on a gold mine. All you had to do was take your time and finish your "art" properly. Given it an ending worthy of the series. The fans would have waited another year. We don't expect you to match games like FIFA or COD with releases every year. Those are throwaway games. We expected a good story. We expected Mass Effect.

Instead we got bugs that start before even playing the game (face import). No patches still. We got endings that take away the joy of playing the series. Broken promises about what's in the game and why. And a company that won't apologize or even respond more then "we're listening, please go away".

You thought we would like this? You thought we would not notice or care? We asked you to rectify that book that made no sense, didn't we?


It all leaves the impression that you do not care.


For comparison Priority:Tchuchanka == awesomesauce.
It had everything. Closure, sacrifice, betrayal, loyalty, continuation of a storyline presented in the first game (continuety),
decisions from previous games that mattered, new choices to be made that tie back in with the main plot, new perspective from a new character (Eve), LARGE SCALED Battle (trying to avoid spoilers here, but we all liked this one),  different outcomes -> replay value.

It was in the same game so what happened?

#1774
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Indeed 98% of the game was amazing, but the last 20 minutes taken at face value sucked! We want a REAL ending and more variables in the game. ME1 and especially ME2 were masterpiece in this and there is nothing wrong if we wish an epic and coherent ending for ME3. I'd like have choices in the ending. For example, I don't need to destroy all the mass relays for destroy the Reapers. Because there is no Mass Effect without the mass relays.

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Vincent Rosevalliant

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To be honest, I did not like the Earth mission either. So for me it was 90% enjoyable.

*Spoilers so stop reading spoilers*


The mission was short and anti-climactic.
All that advertisement of: "Take Earth back" just to guard a truck and then charge a reaper on foot............ Turians left their burning homeworld for that plan? Also the Citadel being back at Earth made no sense so it's never explained and the bit with TIM was just  a rehash of Saren for people who missed ME1. I liked Anderson being there, though.

Only good to come out of that mission was Marauder Shields.