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[Petrikles]

I hate to say it, but it came to me that the ending of ME3 is almost as bad as the one from KotOR2 (yeah, yeah, made by Obsidian, but that´s not my point). In both games, things happen to you and your squadmate which you cannot really explain or put into context with the story until that moment...

[Xenite]

Kailord wrote...

I hate to say it, but it came to me that the ending of ME3 is almost as bad as the one from KotOR2 (yeah, yeah, made by Obsidian, but that´s not my point). In both games, things happen to you and your squadmate which you cannot really explain or put into context with the story until that moment...

I didn't play it, but that's exactly what my wife said about it. For me it seems like a complete relapse to the same criticism DA2 had from many players, regardless of what you did and which side you picked the end was always the same.

Thats why it boggles the mind that they made the same mistake and magnified it x10 this time around.

Modifié par Xenite, 30 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[dfstone]

I dunno. People made the exact same criticisms of DA2's ending and Bioware assured that there would be DLC to clear it up. It never happened.

[ile_1979]

Vincent Rosevalliant wrote...

To be honest, I did not like the Earth mission either. So for me it was 90% enjoyable.

*Spoilers so stop reading spoilers*

The mission was short and anti-climactic.
All that advertisement of: "Take Earth back" just to guard a truck and then charge a reaper on foot............ Turians left their burning homeworld for that plan? Also the Citadel being back at Earth made no sense so it's never explained and the bit with TIM was just  a rehash of Saren for people who missed ME1. I liked Anderson being there, though.

Only good to come out of that mission was Marauder Shields.

Wish there was a like for this post
Anywyas....here is one from me:
LIKE^_^

[levyjl1988]

There is way to much clutter in this PR response. Get to the core of the information already. Everything I've heard from Bioware is sugarcoated in many ways.

Keep the information concise and to the point.
For those wondering, here's the top 10 reason we hated the ME3 Ending:


That is all!

[CSly]

I finished my playthrough of ME3 this past Monday, having started it about a week earlier.  Of course, before I ever so much as peeled the wrapper off the case, I had been alerted to the fact that the game's conclusion was controversial.  However, prior to playing the game for myself, I had assumed that the controversy was emanating from a minority of heavily-invested fans whose every subjective expectation had not been fulfilled.  Now, having actually experienced ME3's mind-blowingly ill-conceived conclusion for myself, I recognize and share in the true depth and magnitude of the disappointment that fans are feeling.  I've tried to let it all go, to stop thinking about it and move on, but over the past four days since finishing the game (it's now Friday), I've caught myself repeatedly brooding on the subject.

I don't know why I'm adding my voice to this discussion, or what exactly it is that I have to say, or even if this is the appropriate thread.  Probably like everyone else, I'm just hoping that by expressing myself here in some fashion, I will find some sort of cathartic outlet for the energy I seem to be accumulating on this.  Please bear with me.

First let me say that I recognize that you, the ME development team, are composed of human beings who have dedicated not an insignificant amount of your time, effort, and talents to bring the ME universe to life for all of us to enjoy.  You, no doubt, have as much of an emotional stake in the ME experience as the rest of us, and I'm sure that the fallout over ME3's ending must be as painful and disappointing to you as it is to even the most passionate and invested members of the fan base. With that in mind, I'll try to be as honest, constructive, and straightforward as I can in my remarks.  I have no desire to hurt anyone's feelings.

In these past several weeks ME fans have, undoubtedly, expressed a great deal of anger towards you. It may appear to you, as I'm sure it does to those on the sidelines of this controversy, that we are a mob of overly-invested malcontents with enormous entitlement complexes whining about how we didn't getting everything we wanted, exactly the way we wanted it.  That is not the case. I realize that I don't speak for everyone here, but if I might, let me attempt to clarify and help you to understand the true source of the frustration and disappointment that we are feeling.

If we were to poll everyone here, asking them what their primary emotion is in all of this, I'm of no doubt that the answer would be "sadness".  After a 4 year journey, to watch the ME universe come utterly undone in it's last 10 minutes was to witness a terrible tragedy.  This protest is a reaction to that tragedy, a reaction to what we felt in those final moments.  Our anger is a primal anger, the anger you feel when you witness a stark and brutal injustice.  It is the outcry that bursts forth from a broken heart.  This protest isn't motivated by us not getting everything we wanted, exactly the way we wanted it.  This protest is about the ME universe and the wonderful characters who populate it not getting the kind of send off that they rightly deserve.  Within the maelstrom of negative emotions that ME3's ending has provoked, you can at least feel gratified that your fans care enough about your work to intervene on its behalf when they perceive that it has been mistreated.

Again, I don't mean to be disparaging, but I can say without hyperbole, and on a purely objective level, that ME3's ending is the worst conclusion to any work of fiction I've ever experienced, in any medium, by a wide margin, and I've watched, played, read, and even written a lot of nonsense in my life.  With Mass Effect 3, you had the opportunity to conclude the most memorable science fiction epic since Return of the Jedi brought the original Star Wars trilogy to a close, but 50 feet from the finish line you inexplicably jerked the wheel and rammed the whole thing head-on into a brick wall.  Fortunately, you work within a medium where it is within your power to fix all that.  I urge you with all sincerity to avail yourself of the opportunity to correct your mistake.

Because, Bioware, I'm telling you in the most honest and straightforward way that I am capable of, directly from one human heart to another, that the final scenes of ME3 are not a fitting conclusion to the wonderful story that you been telling us for the past 4+ years.  The ending utterly betrays and destroys everything that preceded it.  It does a complete disservice to everything that you worked so hard to build.  It can't be salvaged.  It can't be clarified.  It is the worst kind of cynical.  It is without integrity.  It is wrong.

Others have already made the specific case for why the final scenes of ME3 desperately need to be scrapped and rewritten, and with far more compelling arguments than I am capable of crafting.  Other than to say I completely agree with them, I will not rehash those arguments here.  Nevertheless, in closing, I would like to post a link to this video.



I believe it be the most succinct and insightful deconstruction of the grievous failures of the game's final scenes.  I realize this video has already been posted numerous times on this forum, but I figure the more times this video is posted, the more likely it is that you will take notice of it, and act upon it's suggestions.

[Twenben]

I'm sure comments like mine have been heard already, but I wanted to let the team behind Mass Effect 3's plot know that not everyone hated the ending to the trilogy.
I'm not "the biggest fan" of Mass Effect (or much anything for that matter), nor do I have a secret agenda or whatever, I simply enjoyed playing all 3 games, and there wasn't a second of it I regretted. The story kept me on the tip of my toes the whole time I was playing and the scenes leading to the conclusion were just so gripping. Maybe it's just me, but it was a beautiful and quite philosophically interesting ending to a fantastic series.
Shun the naysayers, and keep doing good work!

[Getorex]

Until there is a proper, real, reasonable, intelligible, rational, logical ending, we can make due with this one:

MY Shepard ain't no dummy. MY Shepard found a way to survive.

[oxyman1o]

I concur with CSly's statement, the ending gave no real sense of closure to the cast of characters or thr various races that inhabit to mass effect universe.

[Meteor_Tesh]

Just finished my playthrough of mass effect 3. I choose the send reapers back option, and then my crew crashed somewhere, and the galaxy was just as bad as when the reapers were there. I had seen the other endings online, and it seems that the few endings avaliable are quite similar. I am a little dissapointed that there are no more other endings or thst the endings currently avaliable are not drastically different. I though all the choices I made in all ME games would have opened up more optional endings but there isn't. I am sorry to say that I paid over £70.00 on pre-ordering the Special edition version of ME3. I do hope that maybe other endings could be made, and maybe even show us what happens after. What happens to my crew, they just crash, do the ydie later? Do the Krogan get a new home worlds? Do the Geth and quarians live together after etc. It feels as if the story got to shepard dying, and then that was it, nobody cared what happaned next.

[BradPoker]

dfstone wrote...

I dunno. People made the exact same criticisms of DA2's ending and Bioware assured that there would be DLC to clear it up. It never happened.

Good point, but I think DA2 did by far not attract as many people as the ME-Series. I for my part loved DA Origins, saw DA2 and the big reduction of the role play/freedom elements and decided not to play it at all...So I really really hope all that fuss about the ME3 ending will indeed give us the DLC. H*ll, what better thing there is for a comoany than fans willing to spend more money on a game simply for a GOOD way to end a trillogie?

[Dreez]

I would say that the absence of Casey's direct response to his own "quoted" thread is nothing but a show of disrespect for the fans of the ME-universe. No apology, no nothing....

[Dakota Strider]

I have played Bioware RPG's since Baldur's Gate. But I had never played an RPG from any company that was not a swords and sorcery/dungeons and dragon style setting. Because of a friend, who had played previous ME games, and because it was a Bioware game, I broke my pattern of avoiding SciFi games, and bought and played ME3. And I was disappointed, long before the ending.

I will assume that the story-telling/character development was much better in previous ME games, otherwise, the fanbase would not be so large. In ME3, the amount of "choices" were so small, when that it felt like I was on a one way train ride from the beginning. The combat was mildly interesting, but the battles were just as forced as the roleplaying..

I do not think I can add any more to what people have said about the ending, that has not already been said. I will say, that it seems that while the technology in Bioware games have gotten better over the years, their story-telling has gotten worse and worse. The old Baldur Gate games, you could play over and over, because of the wide variety of role play choices available, and the many different ways combat situations could be won. As the games become more flashy, the actualy story telling and game skill required to play the game has diminished in almost equal proportions.  Trying to replay a game has virtually no entertainment value, as you have explored almost all the choices in the first time around.

It would be great if Bioware created some DLC's to fix the ending of ME3. However, it would be like putting a bandaid on an amputated leg. Not enough to fix the game. And that DLC ending, had better be free. I will not pay one more dollar to the ME3 franchise, unless I know the quality is improved. I will hold out hope that DA3 will be improved after all the complaints from DA2.

Bioware, as much as I enjoy your voice actors, it is not voice acting that makes a great game. Spend more time with writing, and take more advice from players, not from writers from newspapers.

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 31 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[snakeboy86]

Prepared statement Fail.god did this sound so robotic, sounds more like a press release...

[Yves Goyette]

Dakota Strider wrote...

I have played Bioware RPG's since Baldur's Gate. But I had never played an RPG from any company that was not a swords and sorcery/dungeons and dragon style setting. Because of a friend, who had played previous ME games, and because it was a Bioware game, I broke my pattern of avoiding SciFi games, and bought and played ME3. And I was disappointed, long before the ending.

I will assume that the story-telling/character development was much better in previous ME games, otherwise, the fanbase would not be so large. In ME3, the amount of "choices" were so small, when that it felt like I was on a one way train ride from the beginning. The combat was mildly interesting, but the battles were just as forced as the roleplaying..

I do not think I can add any more to what people have said about the ending, that has not already been said. I will say, that it seems that while the technology in Bioware games have gotten better over the years, their story-telling has gotten worse and worse. The old Baldur Gate games, you could play over and over, because of the wide variety of role play choices available, and the many different ways combat situations could be won. As the games become more flashy, the actualy story telling and game skill required to play the game has diminished in almost equal proportions.  Trying to replay a game has virtually no entertainment value, as you have explored almost all the choices in the first time around.

It would be great if Bioware created some DLC's to fix the ending of ME3. However, it would be like putting a bandaid on an amputated leg. Not enough to fix the game. And that DLC ending, had better be free. I will not pay one more dollar to the ME3 franchise, unless I know the quality is improved. I will hold out hope that DA3 will be improved after all the complaints from DA2.

Bioware, as much as I enjoy your voice actors, it is not voice acting that makes a great game. Spend more time with writing, and take more advice from players, not from writers from newspapers.

Same for me..I buy most everything since Baldur's Gate from Bioware.I know the new generation, now is on multiplayer and DLC ( and i respect this) but most of the old players is out now ,,i think.
 
I play the trilogy of ME (600 hrs total approx) and my best is the first one. When i play  ME2 , we see GREAT play and a massive upgrade to the action of play  but big degradation on RPG style and dialogues,,, in ME3 there is no dot of the turn they make...Sorry but ,i`m happy that i play most games in the past because there are more constructive,more dedicate and most of all more respect for the gamers who buy that thing.Now it`s just another form of marketing....ME3 is a good game but.......
For the ending of ME3,like Dakota said,we discuss everything about it and i don`t resume, but i think it`s a vicious turn now and for me,, we live sad days for gamers and (somehow) good for producers ,,,but  that`s enough for someone like me who see what`s really happen.

For finish,i`m gonna buy most of yours "coming DLC" because i`m to invest in the saga and you got me,but for SURE, I `M OUT AFTER THAT,but it doesn`t matter,i`m  just a old guy who LOVE and plays for many,many hours,month and years of fantastic and emotional gaming that Bioware can making ,,,and thank you for that..
but now this time is over...

Thank you to read. 

[illusive crayon]

[Teelana]

First of all, let me say, ME3 is really great.

The story is amazing. Tuchanka, Rannoch, .... many other places and characters made this game special.

and then, there's the ending....
in my opinion, its the worst game ending ever.

Please, don't let the greatest trilogy in gaming history end in such a way.

[wunsleh]

Teelana wrote...

First of all, let me say, ME3 is really great.

The story is amazing. Tuchanka, Rannoch, .... many other places and characters made this game special.

and then, there's the ending....
in my opinion, its the worst game ending ever.

Please, don't let the greatest trilogy in gaming history end in such a way.

War asset gained: +250

[CerberusRhetoric]

Teelana wrote...

First of all, let me say, ME3 is really great.

The story is amazing. Tuchanka, Rannoch, .... many other places and characters made this game special.

and then, there's the ending....
in my opinion, its the worst game ending ever.

Please, don't let the greatest trilogy in gaming history end in such a way.

"in my opinion, its the worst game ending ever."
You probably haven't played Sniper: Ghost Warrior, then.

Modifié par CerberusRhetoric, 31 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[Getorex]

CerberusRhetoric wrote...

Teelana wrote...

First of all, let me say, ME3 is really great.

The story is amazing. Tuchanka, Rannoch, .... many other places and characters made this game special.

and then, there's the ending....
in my opinion, its the worst game ending ever.

Please, don't let the greatest trilogy in gaming history end in such a way.

"in my opinion, its the worst game ending ever."
You probably haven't played Sniper: Ghost Warrior, then.

I have.  What's wrong with it?  I do not recall a ghost child dicking anything up and I don't remember 3 primary colors to choose from.

[Getorex]

The ending was all deus ex machina. Out of left field comes the god kid ****** with his primary color wheel of doom.

I say, if we are going to get a deus ex ending, then make it a REAL deus ex ending by USING Deus Ex to end it! That's right...replace the Hero, Marauder Shields, with Adam Jenson from Deus Ex: Human Revolution! Just as Shepard is approaching that beam out pops Adam who quickly does one of his WAY COOL nonlethal takedowns on Shepard. Adam turns and walks away and Shepard never makes it into the beam, wakes up later to see the face of his LI as she holds his head on her lap, stroking his face.

Booya! Game save, franchise save. Deus ex ending the right way!

[BAC PARTY CITY]

yeah I don't think I'll be investing in another bioware triology again. And this supposed DLC that I'll believe after I see it, is going to cost money right?


If they wanted to leave the ending vague fine. But give us some closure, show use the effects of our choices a little more. I thought the worst part was that all 3 endings were virtually the same. I found that to just be............lazy to be frank here

[perezrj]

Very disappointed in how the series ended. Furthermore I am also disappointed that many had to pay extra for a character that should have been included in the original release. I am sure that if they do make a dlc to fix the ending, you will have to pay extra for it. Will not recommend a bioware game again.

[Zerox Z21]

I have to agree, the reply was vague. There are very particular reasons why the majority of fans are upset with the endings, and saying that reviewers say it's "good" just annoys us all more as the majority of fans who've been playing since the beginning are disappointed (to put it mildly) with the ending, therefore the majority of players and people who give Bioware money for their games, so trying to degrade our comments by quoting 'official reviewers' who said nice things is rather insulting, especially as they take into account the whole game.

For the whole I really did enjoy the game, but the ending is just wrong. All this campaigning, signatures should really be saying something to you? The development team should not be offended. We feel this way because we absolutely loved the rest of the games, all 2.9 of it.

In the comment was mentioned how parts of the story were meant to be closure, like seeing how the Tuchanka and Rannoch situations end. Except they don't. They may foretell positive ideology, but there was never the guarantee of those situations lasting, and we didn't see any progression afterwards. Besides this, the endings destroy any possibility of those having been worthwhile, due to (among other issues) the destruction of the mass relays. As such, even if you do save the krogan, and they are given the chance to rise again and perhaps become a sensible race of the galaxy, the lack of mass relays means even if they now did, it's meaningless. And the same goes for every single other choice Shepard made, and all the effort Shepard put into solving problems for these years since Mass Effect 1. Even the War Assets themselves in ME3 have such little impact on how the ending plays out. And definitely, any story following Shepard and a love interest (or other couples, such as Joker and EDI) remains unseen and ruined as well by the ending.

Also, I've seen discussions relating to the ending, about it's ruination. For example, the prevous games hinted at dark energy, such as the sun in ME2 on Haestrom, and other factors in ME1. Apparently these hinted at later events/the ending but after ME2 it was completely forgotten about. Such arguments (alongside the completely nonsensical ending) make me think it was a rush job, due to time constraints. ME3 was already delayed once, but why the rush release date at all? Because of EA, I suspect. Such developers are causing such problems, forcing release dates on companies for no good reason other than having money sooner rather than later or something. I'm also an Oddworld fan and saw how that got ruined by Microsoft and consequently EA, and only now after 7/8 years are they finally making a comeback, notably avoiding such relationships as those they had with Microsoft and EA. I worry that the influences of such developers is slowly ruining some games, in this example the Mass Effect series. I know that EA forced multiplayer into what always has been (and for very good reason) a single player game. One can't complain about it being alongside the Shepard story, but I worry that, also considering the forced release date, resources were spread to create a decent multiplayer, which then means less effort put into the main story, which is the last thing we need for an RPG that has, and necessitates, the details ME does.
And it's been discussed better by others, such as some Youtube vids, but some specifics from the ending make me particularly dubious. The sudden appearance of space kid, and the totally nonsensical points he makes, particularly that synthetics and organics are doomed to fight forever, despite this being something you spend the series fighting against, trusting EDI and reuniting the quarian and geth. Doesn't make any ruddy sense if Shepard fought for those issues all the games, and was made a real point of plot wise, especially in ME3 where EDI ROMANCES Joker, and you finally succeed (possibly) in creating peace between the quarian and geth. I find it hard to believe Bioware planned that aspect of the ending all this time. Also, the idea of savig organics from their inevitable death to their synthetic creations by, uh, making synthetics to kill them repeatedly. Come on, Bioware, we're not retarded, and neither are you. You can't expect us to take this seriously? The only ending that makes sense (destroying the reapers) also apparently kills the geth and EDI, which is clearly a bad thing. Just...argh. Hard to describe the angst here.
We were also promised many different, varied endings based on decisions, even a precise number of 16. That did not happen, more evidence that this was not the intended ending. Why not just admit it rather than beating around the bush like this?
I wouldn't mind DLC correcting (not improving, correcting) the ME3 ending, if it at least included some other things because it wouldn't be free. I play it on the 360, lacking anything resembling a good computer, and following Team Fortress 2 learned that Microsoft completely disallows free DLC on the 360. Valve wanted to give the 360 version the same free updates (new weapons, maps etc.) the PC version did, but Microsoft prevented this, hence it's stuck where it is. So the free DLC ending changes some fans demand are implausible, or otherwise they'd be free for PC but not Xbox which seems unfair. I wouldn't mind paying if it's reasonable, but then that creates the questionable territory of deliberate abuse from the company to try to make us buy DLC. There was already some issues concerning the day one DLC, which is perfectly sound. Why not in the game if it was ready THE SAME TIME AS THE GAME WAS, other than getting even more money out of the loyal fanbase, which is pretty abusive if that's the case. Certainly, the From Ashes content seemed almost too conveniently intertwined with the game's plot that I can scarcely imagine playing without it, making me possibly believe it was developed along with the rest of the game and hence...why DLC?

Sorry such a long rant, but the comment does not really answer our concerns and the fact that Bioware seemingly won't apologise or admit the ending just plain sucks is rather insulting to the fanbase. We may be whiny, but whiny because we care, and have done for three games and spent significant cash on this interest. We trust Bioware, but we also expect some respect. Trying to justify the ending to us who complain is really not respectable but rather insulting. The ending is, among other things, just so completely contradictory to the what we've been fighting for and believing in for three whole games. Doesn't make any sense. Trying to say that it does and that it was fine, when it completely defied and destroyed the principles of the whole series, ME3 itself included, just makes us angrier and more upset. Bioware is meant to be a company we trust to listen to us, not try to justify their actions with some PR junk. Maybe I'm being melodramatic here, but this thread is dedicated to a response specific to the ending issues that does nothing to answer or questions or emotional upset at it, just tries to justify it with official review quotes and saying that DLC is planned. We're not stupid, treat us with some real respect. At the moment it just feels like you're avoiding the question until the issue blows over. But many of us are not going to forget if you try to allow the issue to fade.

I really do feel like I've been overdramatic, but really, the ending was simply atrocious and reply comments like this are doing nothing but making us angrier, to be honest. I'm just really upset as I've loved Mass Effect for a long time and this sudden ruination of an amazing series is pretty devastating. The fans know best what they want, and what they want is not this, just look at all the (definitely improvements) ending rewrites on the forums here alone. Please just take our damn word and stop dodging the questions and accusations.

Modifié par Zerox Z21, 31 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Aslanasadi]

Teelana wrote...

First of all, let me say, ME3 is really great.

The story is amazing. Tuchanka, Rannoch, .... many other places and characters made this game special.

and then, there's the ending....
in my opinion, its the worst game ending ever.

Please, don't let the greatest trilogy in gaming history end in such a way.

This expresses very much my feelings about the game.