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[AGGELLOS]

Dridengx wrote...

True, but you forgot two things to consider.

1. These publications are read by thousands which in turn can bring sales. Your opinion means nothing and at best effects plus or minus a couple sales.

2. Sure, 20,000 plus fans hate the ending and it's their opinion but consider the Millions who didn't make such a claim and love the ending?

who buys games based on reviews ?..me and everybody i know check forums, fan sites etc..i never miss a yahtzee review over at escapist...but i would never buy a game based on his misanthropic mubblings but they are funny and a good watch even though i disagree with pretty much most of his ramblings.

Critics dont care about the actual people that buy..look at the hurt locker oscar love child 11 million to make and only took 16 million in a limited release it made more chasing down BT pirates than from people watching the film and in my non critic opinion was a vacumus pile of well edited garbbage and the general public seem to agree not the best film.

Or take C.A 's empire total war ..i could quote some of the usual stupid sites like IGN or PC gamer 5/5 9/10 great game ..fantastic, lets not mention the fact that the lead developer was so ashamed at the state of the game on release he hid the free copies he had for friends because the game was "not fit for release" his words not mine, from minor issues all the way through to game breaking bugs, the fans and players where not slow in pointing out the problems helping fellow gamers aviod a turkey.

Sites like IGN or the new york times games reviewer  are now redudant in the age of social media we do not need them those paragons of the old media system , and because they see them self as part of the games industry they are locked in this daimetric cold place which only exists in the past, each site and reviewer feels coerced by their peers scared to give a proper review because someone like EA may strike them from their lovies list, and remove early access to new titles and freeze them out of the massed PR and marketing hype that seems to over shadow the actual products.

I have not met a single person face to face or spoke to anyone online who i can vouch is an actual person that feels the Ending of MASS Effect 3 is anything less than extremely poor, why break a formula that worked so well in ME1 and ME2 only to discard it within sight of the finish.

I love the Mass Effect universe and all the great gaming it has given me over 5 yrs, So to the Good Doctor, Casey and the Team thank you for such a great title and the good times...such a pity to see all the Chaos over such a small but important part of the journey. (maybe the reapers should visit bioware, j/k)

Modifié par AGGELLOS, 02 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[Dreez]

Casey does not care enough to reply to this thread, personally.

Shows exactly what he's made of.

[abaris]

Dreez wrote...

Casey does not care enough to reply to this thread, personally.

Shows exactly what he's made of.

That's one thing noone should expect or blame him for.

In companies noone can speak their mind. They issue official statements but can't enter into any kind of discussion.

Just think of your own workplace. What would your bosses think if you go on the internet to discuss internals?

[Escocido]

abaris wrote...

Dreez wrote...

Casey does not care enough to reply to this thread, personally.

Shows exactly what he's made of.

That's one thing noone should expect or blame him for.

In companies noone can speak their mind. They issue official statements but can't enter into any kind of discussion.

Just think of your own workplace. What would your bosses think if you go on the internet to discuss internals?

Then his bossess are fools, and he should eat them.

[Super.Sid]

Escocido wrote...

abaris wrote...

Dreez wrote...

Casey does not care enough to reply to this thread, personally.

Shows exactly what he's made of.

That's one thing noone should expect or blame him for.

In companies noone can speak their mind. They issue official statements but can't enter into any kind of discussion.

Just think of your own workplace. What would your bosses think if you go on the internet to discuss internals?

Then his bossess are fools, and he should eat them.

No, it is not right to speak negative about the company and product whatever the case and he did just that but in reality he knows that the team messed up.

[abaris]

Super.Sid wrote...

No, it is not right to speak negative about the company and product whatever the case and he did just that but in reality he knows that the team messed up.

Even if he did, he would get the sack and a lawsuit on the side for speaking out.

Everything you read on this board or any other internet source is screened by the PR or press department, which is usual procedure with any company. So it's to be taken with a solid grain of salt.

[Super.Sid]

abaris wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

No, it is not right to speak negative about the company and product whatever the case and he did just that but in reality he knows that the team messed up.

Even if he did, he would get the sack and a lawsuit on the side for speaking out.

Everything you read on this board or any other internet source is screened by the PR or press department, which is usual procedure with any company. So it's to be taken with a solid grain of salt.

I meant to say that he presented it in a positive way highlighting "certain" things that could have been better.

[OlympusMons423]

I hear a lot about what is blocking a fix being about being an artist. Being an artist (well Graphic artist now)...I'd blame business minds more. If anything its the artistic side in me that is having so much trouble with this...Well, the emotional side too...

I hope they fix it.

[adembroski11]

EDIT: NVMD

Modifié par adembroski11, 02 avril 2012 - 07:57 .

[Gweedotk]

I think this game received a lot of hard work from the developers and the endings reflect that. I'm not much of a gamer but I can play these games several times over and not get tired of them.

The endings were all very emotionally intensive and that's more than what I can say for any video game out there.

[Brynj]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Sure, 20,000 plus fans hate the ending and it's their opinion but consider the Millions who didn't make such a claim and love the ending?

Statistics. This person needs to learn.

Truthly, neither side can make any claim to a 'majority'.  Internet polls don't validate the retake side anymore than, 'well, anyone not complaining loves the ending' validates the fans of the ending.  It's pointless steering the arguement in that direction. 

I do however find it interesting that most gaming *and other* forums I visit regularly seem to fall on 'the endings are horrible' side of things.  Anecdotal I agree, but there it is.  Also the majority of the defense of the current endings, especially from professional reviewers, has nothing to do with their worth and enjoyment, but more along the lines of, 'you can't change art'.  Not defending the actual ending, just the developers right to end it however they want.  That is the key difference in my opinion.

I hate the ending.  Its rushed, thematically inconsistent with the Mass Effect story up to that point, and either a VERY simplistic attempt  at being 'deep and thought provoking' or Bioware realizing they didn't have the talent, money, or time to give it a proper ending.  (Knowing EA, I believe it was money and time personally).

Now having said all that, It's time to lay down some harsh truths.  Bioware is not going to change the ending.  I have no faith they'll spend the money and time to do so, especially after digging in as much as they have on the issue.

And I'm fine with it.  HATE HATE HATE THE ENDINGS, but I'm not a retaker.  I don't expect, and won't demand, Bioware change it.  I will however vote with my wallet and Bioware is no longer a day one or full price purchase.  A Deus ex Machina ending was the last thing this game, a game that promised an ending based on the choices you made, should have had.  If Bioware can't see that, or EA wouldn't let them do it right, I think its time we part ways.  Such a shame.

[FutureBoy81]

I think we can all stop speculating now, its pretty odvious that this game was rushed to meet the deadline, everything from the Tali face debacle to the silly endings that gave no pay off to the day One (Removed content), oh yeah forgot the missing face import feature, thats the only reason this once respected games developer would sell themselfs so cheap .....

Modifié par FutureBoy81, 03 avril 2012 - 02:47 .

[CARL_DF90]

With the rumor of a PAX reveal flying around I will hold out a modicum of hope that these things will get corrected since they are saying they are listening. We'll see.

[Fenderbaum]

Carl..

I listen to lots of people...it's deflames their anger...I rarely do what they ask of me though....

[gibsonsg71]

Gran finale!!

Great end. really!

thanks bioware

[Artemis_Entrari]

It seems BioWare's in "weather the storm" mode. They're staying silent, hoping that eventually the anger will die down -- like it currently is; there's not nearly as many negative topics or outright raging going on as a week or two ago -- and waiting for the angry mob to leave, so they can eventually come out and announce their new DLC (that has nothing to do with the ending) and pretend there was never any uproar to begin with.

[Projectxero]

Well, Not that my singluar opinion matters much, but...I enjoyed the game for what it is/was. I was not as invested in the story..I only have played the third. However, I agree that I honestly don't think there will be a new ending. It is time and money that make the difference, and Niether Biowear or EA is obligated to put any more of either into a product that has already made the bulk of its money. Yes, people will continue to buy the game, and play MP. "Bad Endings" will not stop game sales.

In the end Biowear is an EA department, and EA is bigger then any one game. They could honestly care less. In a few months this game will be in the back of people's minds. Invested player will see it as a disappointment, due to the ending. Others with have enjoyed the game and moved on to the next hyped up epic...that will eventually let them down because their expectations got WAY too high.

On a personal note though..the ending made no sense. At least they could have made them make sense in the smallest fasion. However the game was fun, and I have played through a few times. I will suggest it to others as a must play as well.

[abaris]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

It seems BioWare's in "weather the storm" mode. They're staying silent, hoping that eventually the anger will die down -- like it currently is; there's not nearly as many negative topics or outright raging going on as a week or two ago -- and waiting for the angry mob to leave, so they can eventually come out and announce their new DLC (that has nothing to do with the ending) and pretend there was never any uproar to begin with.

As is usual procedure when it comes to damage PR. It's not even original. In fact it's taken directly from PR 101.

[HolmesLovesGuinness]

If the indoctrination theory (or some variant thereof) is true and this turns out to be the biggest 'gotcha suckas' in video game history I will officially throw myself at Bioware's feet and acknowledge their undisputed awesomeness. The sheer *cojones* it would take to do this, especially in the face of overwhelming Nerd Rage at the current 'endings' would defy comprehension. Of course some people would be ticked off about having to pay extra for the 'real' ending but I'd certainly get over it.

If they put out some half baked DLC that tries to explain the unexplainable ending I'll just shrug and start freeing up some drive space by deleting ME1 - 3. Game over.

[OlympusMons423]

This is tragic stuff. This game did show a lot of effort, and then..well we all know. You would think that customers and a fan base you built up all these years would have been front and center. I hope they come to their senses. As mentioned many of us will vote with our money down the road.

[Gweedotk]

As constructive criticism, I was simply disappointed with the lack of closure and the massive cliff hanger at the ending. This being a no-spoiler thread, it's difficult to point where I have my issues without giving away a spoiler; but I suppose they are aware of the possibilities after the Arrival DLC and what came of the Bahak system in it's aftermath and why I would be confused after the ME3 ending. The lack of closure with many of the characters is pretty monumental, I have no idea what happened to just about all of them. That's really my only grief, the endings themselves beautifully illustrated the hard-work put into them and I respect that.

I will say this - the endings tore me up. (in a good way)

Modifié par Gweedotk, 03 avril 2012 - 09:54 .

[Artemis_Entrari]

HolmesLovesGuinness wrote...

If the indoctrination theory (or some variant thereof) is true and this turns out to be the biggest 'gotcha suckas' in video game history I will officially throw myself at Bioware's feet and acknowledge their undisputed awesomeness. The sheer *cojones* it would take to do this, especially in the face of overwhelming Nerd Rage at the current 'endings' would defy comprehension. Of course some people would be ticked off about having to pay extra for the 'real' ending but I'd certainly get over it.

If they put out some half baked DLC that tries to explain the unexplainable ending I'll just shrug and start freeing up some drive space by deleting ME1 - 3. Game over.

Why would you throw yourself at BioWare's feet if they CHARGE you for an ending they had planned all along?  If Bio had planned some sort of indoctrination ending that was going to be released for free all along, then yes, they deserve credit for "fooling" the fanbase.  But if it's going to cost money, then it's no longer about "shock value", and all about money.

Modifié par Artemis_Entrari, 03 avril 2012 - 10:37 .

[ile_1979]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

It seems BioWare's in "weather the storm" mode. They're staying silent, hoping that eventually the anger will die down -- like it currently is; there's not nearly as many negative topics or outright raging going on as a week or two ago -- and waiting for the angry mob to leave, so they can eventually come out and announce their new DLC (that has nothing to do with the ending) and pretend there was never any uproar to begin with.

Heh! It is their right to do so, as is our right not to buy any of it

[signum8711]

 I’m surprised that gamers are failing to see what the real
issue is here and the REAL threat for future gaming.

I am extremely disappointed with the ending of mass effect 3
as well as thousands of other people, I’ve even heard the indoctrination theory
and even though I think the idea is extremely brilliant what gamers are failing
to see is as the paying customer we demand and expect a complete game.

You cant release a game that’s only 80% complete with such a
huge cliff hanger at the ending that clearly led to more questions when Bioware
promised that all questions would be answered 
and then say we will be releasing dlc that explains all the questions
you have, so in that statement that then means that they already had it planned
made and in mind, then release it with the game don’t hold back on content and
then say right if you want the rest of the game you have to pay extra for it.

DLC is meant to be when you release a game and you’ve done
everything  in entirety, but rather than
release a new game you just want to add to what you’ve already released and
make the fans happy. Obviously it’s a marketing ploy to make more money from
the customers, if you  pay £50 for a game
(yes I’m British) you expect to receive it 100% complete, but if they release
only 80% of the game for them then to say to see the remaining 20% that we have
waiting in store for you, you now have to spend an extra £10 just to get the
remaining 20% that should rightly belong to the paying customer in the 1st
place. 1st account I can think of is what they did with assassins
creed brotherhood where weapons and sequences were purposefully removed from
the game itself only to have you pay for it via dlc afterwards. It’s like going
to a cinema only to be told towards the end of the movie with only 15 minutes
left that you now have to pay extra to see the ending of the film people would
be in uproar, its robbery and most gamers can’t see it. If you accept it now
then in future games at what point will they stop. Imagine if mass effect then
turned round and released disc 1 for £50 then disc 2 for another £50 even if
its less its still a disgrace and this is the future that’s heading towards us.

 
Let simple math explain : 1 million gamers purchase Mass
Effect 3 game released 80% complete



Game has to be released at set price = £50 x 1m gamers = £50
million

Remaining 20% released as dlc = £10 x 1m gamers =£10 million

Total amount made from game released at 100% = £60 million

An extra £10 million made from thin air by you the gamer for
them to release what is rightfully ours as dlc.

I loved the whole mass effect series and am desperate to
know how the story ends however I will simply stick to youtube and refuse to
buy the dlc through principle and encourage other gamers to do the same, we
have to let these companies know that we demand to have the games released in
its entirety otherwise we wont purchase any dlc released, I personally will go
as far as to say I wouldn’t buy any future games from those series I don’t
expect other gamers to do the same but I feel cheated