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[Shelled]

I won't be buying any dlc and I won't be spending any money whatsoever on another bioware game for as long as I exist.

[Gweedotk]

signum8711 wrote...

 I’m surprised that gamers are failing to see what the real
issue is here and the REAL threat for future gaming.

I am extremely disappointed with the ending of mass effect 3
as well as thousands of other people, I’ve even heard the indoctrination theory
and even though I think the idea is extremely brilliant what gamers are failing
to see is as the paying customer we demand and expect a complete game.

You cant release a game that’s only 80% complete with such a
huge cliff hanger at the ending that clearly led to more questions when Bioware
promised that all questions would be answered 
and then say we will be releasing dlc that explains all the questions
you have, so in that statement that then means that they already had it planned
made and in mind, then release it with the game don’t hold back on content and
then say right if you want the rest of the game you have to pay extra for it.

DLC is meant to be when you release a game and you’ve done
everything  in entirety, but rather than
release a new game you just want to add to what you’ve already released and
make the fans happy. Obviously it’s a marketing ploy to make more money from
the customers, if you  pay £50 for a game
(yes I’m British) you expect to receive it 100% complete, but if they release
only 80% of the game for them then to say to see the remaining 20% that we have
waiting in store for you, you now have to spend an extra £10 just to get the
remaining 20% that should rightly belong to the paying customer in the 1st
place. 1st account I can think of is what they did with assassins
creed brotherhood where weapons and sequences were purposefully removed from
the game itself only to have you pay for it via dlc afterwards. It’s like going
to a cinema only to be told towards the end of the movie with only 15 minutes
left that you now have to pay extra to see the ending of the film people would
be in uproar, its robbery and most gamers can’t see it. If you accept it now
then in future games at what point will they stop. Imagine if mass effect then
turned round and released disc 1 for £50 then disc 2 for another £50 even if
its less its still a disgrace and this is the future that’s heading towards us.

 
Let simple math explain : 1 million gamers purchase Mass
Effect 3 game released 80% complete



Game has to be released at set price = £50 x 1m gamers = £50
million

Remaining 20% released as dlc = £10 x 1m gamers =£10 million

Total amount made from game released at 100% = £60 million

An extra £10 million made from thin air by you the gamer for
them to release what is rightfully ours as dlc.

I loved the whole mass effect series and am desperate to
know how the story ends however I will simply stick to youtube and refuse to
buy the dlc through principle and encourage other gamers to do the same, we
have to let these companies know that we demand to have the games released in
its entirety otherwise we wont purchase any dlc released, I personally will go
as far as to say I wouldn’t buy any future games from those series I don’t
expect other gamers to do the same but I feel cheated

You make a good point. I was fairly happy with what I had and I thought Bioware honestly put some hard work into this. I'm still torn as to whether Bioware truly did this for the sales and got sloppy or if they really did try to make something great and made an honest mistake.

It may be best if someone from Bioware made a personal statement to clear the air. I have read (somewhere) that game developers suffer unpleasant working conditions such as irregular and long hours, rushed deadlines, etc and so I'm usually all in for giving moral support to the devs.

That stops when I realize I'm being sold an incomplete product. I spent a lot of money on this, I don't want to spend more just to finish the story. So honest mistake or intentional market ploy?

[signum8711]

personally I feel that if bioware were truly sorry for messing up the end and making it incomplete then by all means bring out a dlc to fix it, but it should be free to the fans to dl, it was biowares ****up so they should be the ones to fix it, not use it as an excuse to charge the gamer to have a better ending. Thing is with all the people saying "back in my days things were different" well we will be saying the exact same thing years down the line because we will be paying through the nose to buy a single game, can you imagine, you buy a zelda game and you have to pay to unlock the master sword as a hidden weapon because they deliberately gave you a cheap imitation then say if you want the genuine thing which has been known to the franchise since the word go then you have to pay for it via dlc. This my friends is the future that lies ahead of us. which is why I am refusing to pay for the dlc for me3, i paid for a complete game so im not paying any more tough luck to the company, and as a not so complete game it has put me off purchasing any future products as I will know that I will have to pay extra for crucial content, stuff that

edit- as for the long hours so called unbearable conditions I call crap on that, im a post uni graduate who studied motion graphic designs working in software such as after effects and 3d studio max, I worked around the clock pulled 4 all nighters in a single week just to get a project done, I loved it personally and the only reason why I worked as hard as I did is because I loved what I did. Same with the bioware crew they love what they do and do bring out some amazing games, however if so called fatigue kicked in towards the end which caused them to get sloppy with the ending and release it, again its biowares fault not the customer so dlc should be brought out to correct the problem FREE OF CHARGE, otherwise im just paying for a company to bring out sloppy made games that always need dlc just to fix it

Modifié par signum8711, 04 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[TweedleDee66]

All I know is the ending of ME3 sucks, period. It makes no sense with certain scenes especially concerning the Normandy and a Mass Relay just to name 2 things I can without giving any spoilers for anyone who still doesn’t know how the game ends out of curiosity or by playing the game. I would dare to say even the Mystery Science Theater 3000 team would be baffled by the ending.

If you buy into the indoctrination theory idea (and if that idea is used for the game as a story download) then the game is an unfinished product. Again I cant go into details but the final mission is left unfinished. Lets just say the war isn’t over.

If they release any kind of download that adds another chapter to the ending to finish the story and charges for it, then EA/BioWare is ripping off their customers.

Consider this:
If this story patch thing costs $5.00 how many people do you think would buy it? 100? 1000? 10,000? More? Lets go with 1000 buying it. Do the math, EA/BioWare just made a quick $5000 on something that should have been in the game in the first place.

You wouldn’t buy a book and pay extra for the final chapter or pay extra to see how a movie ends. So why pay to see how this game ends.

If Return of the Jedi suddenly ended with Vader watching the Emperor electrocuting Luke followed by a very bad and out of order re-editing of the remainder of the film into a 2 minute bit, you would be a bit pissed and likely demand a refund. That’s how I feel ME3 turned out.

Mass Effect 3 was to be the end of a trilogy. You don’t end a trilogy with a cliffhanger ending or worse yet something that Ed Wood would be proud of and only understands.

[Gweedotk]

It was definitely one of the biggest cliff-hangers I've ever seen. Is it just me or the more money a company makes off a product, the more disappointing a product it churns out?

I guess the question is, could Seth Green or any of the other voice actors play all three of the games and be satisfied with the ending? Or were they, and everyone else on the dev team, simply like "whew, glad that's over"?

Agreed, ME3 could definitely be better and it seems either Bioware or EA are simply looking to cash in.

Modifié par Gweedotk, 04 avril 2012 - 01:51 .

[signum8711]

Free DLC is the only way I will see this as a happy ending and all things forgiven, otherwise a boycott it is and not just on dlc but anything with a label with bioware on it

[greatgoodness]

 This game was probably one of the better games i had the opportunity to play.  The entire play through I went sentinel and was always enjoying running around and exploring the world.  

The story and how you get people invovled in it is well crafted.  Many times you guys made me stop and think.  

You did an outstanding job on such an epic game.  The ending was a tough choice, but I understand it wasn't meant to be easy.

Great Work overall!  I look forward to more epic stories like this in the future!  Thank you.

[Gweedotk]

greatgoodness wrote...

 This game was probably one of the better games i had the opportunity to play.  The entire play through I went sentinel and was always enjoying running around and exploring the world.  

The story and how you get people invovled in it is well crafted.  Many times you guys made me stop and think.  

You did an outstanding job on such an epic game.  The ending was a tough choice, but I understand it wasn't meant to be easy.

Great Work overall!  I look forward to more epic stories like this in the future!  Thank you.

The Mass Effect trilogy is the best gaming experience I've ever had by a long shot, I can't underscore that enough. I'm just concerned it may be lessened by the influence of EA and fiscal gain. I'm not alone in those concerns.

[AlanC9]

Gweedotk wrote...

It was definitely one of the biggest cliff-hangers I've ever seen. Is it just me or the more money a company makes off a product, the more disappointing a product it churns out?

Is cliff-hanger the word you're looking for there? I thought the problem was that the ME universe fell off the cliff. Or re you an I-theory supporter?

[Lilaeth]

I was disappointed that some 'quests' (the Elkor homeworld one springs to mind) didn't actually involve landing on the planet. Just scan and run. There was too much of that, and I felt short-changed even before the end of the game. All in all it felt like some of it was rushed, and skimped on. Not the epic conclusion ME deserved.

[Fenderbaum]

Lilaeth wrote...

I was disappointed that some 'quests' (the Elkor homeworld one springs to mind) didn't actually involve landing on the planet. Just scan and run. There was too much of that, and I felt short-changed even before the end of the game. All in all it felt like some of it was rushed, and skimped on. Not the epic conclusion ME deserved.

Not to mention the cheap and lazy....missed something in a quest?  No worries, just buy what you need to complete the quest from the Spectre Computer....

[Getorex]

Lilaeth wrote...

I was disappointed that some 'quests' (the Elkor homeworld one springs to mind) didn't actually involve landing on the planet. Just scan and run. There was too much of that, and I felt short-changed even before the end of the game. All in all it felt like some of it was rushed, and skimped on. Not the epic conclusion ME deserved.

You can't land on the elcor homeworld.  High gravity.  Humans, asari, turians, quarians, etc, aren't built for high grav.  Simple physics rules.

[Getorex]

The original (and WAY superior ending) to ME3 as revealed by the MAIN WRITER: http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

[SalsaDMA]

Getorex wrote...

Lilaeth wrote...

I was disappointed that some 'quests' (the Elkor homeworld one springs to mind) didn't actually involve landing on the planet. Just scan and run. There was too much of that, and I felt short-changed even before the end of the game. All in all it felt like some of it was rushed, and skimped on. Not the epic conclusion ME deserved.

You can't land on the elcor homeworld.  High gravity.  Humans, asari, turians, quarians, etc, aren't built for high grav.  Simple physics rules.

Mass effects

[steej]

Come off it.
You all know you'll buy anything they offer us. I know i will.

[signum8711]

mate I have a brain of my own, im not gonna sit there and go ahh they deliberately held back on content just so that they can release it as dlc and charge us extra for it, the majority of gamers are there bent over with their lube and their wallets open with a huge smile on their faces saying help yourself.

I am not going to be extorted and even more worrying which gamers like you cant see is like i said if everyone buys the dlc then other game companies will see that it worked, and they made a bigger profit by holding back core material, now your looking at a future of having to pay for core material. We need to take a stand and boycott the dlc that way their sales flop and in future they'll be forced to release it alongside the game, otherwise people like you are the ones that lay the red carpet for a ruined tomorrow, what good has ever come from sitting back doing nothing, you have to fight for any thing decent in life but because too many people are infatuated with the me3 series they dont care that they just been robbed blind they just wanna know how it ends and people like you sir ruin it for everyone else. we must take a stand and boycott the dlc

[Getorex]

steej wrote...

Come off it.
You all know you'll buy anything they offer us. I know i will.

Nope.  ME games are the ONLY Bioware titles I've owned or will own.  I don't do the same-old same-old sorcerors and sword crap.  There's a gazillion redundant sword and sorcery games out there and that is ALL Bioware ever does...except for ME.  Now they've gone and borked ME so, no, nothing in the future from Bioware will I purchase.  

[Metalrocks]

if they bring out DLCs that has to do before the ending, they will not see my money. if they create an ending that makes sense, this better be free.

[Getorex]

steej wrote...

Come off it.
You all know you'll buy anything they offer us. I know i will.

Yes, and since the EA CEO is on record stating things like how he'd like to see YOU cough up money for ammo during game, etc, then you are going to be OK when Bioware releases ANOTHER broken game that lacks an ending.  You will spend $50-80 for the trunk of a game, bare bones.  You will play for 20-25 hours and get to the "end" only to get a message, "We hope you've enjoyed the game so far.  Now if you'd like to enjoy the ending, buy the Ending DLC for $15!"  You will fall all over yourself to buy that Ending DLC.  You will fall all over yourself to cough up money for extra ammo during the game.  You will fall all over yourself to buy other DLC that is actually core game material that was cut out of the main game just so you could be charged to put it back in. 

You do that.  A fool and his money is soon parted.

[Getorex]

Another good review of the horrible ending of ME3 by the "professional" class critic: http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players

[signum8711]

good to see others who can see the reality of it all, I believe if we stand strong together, boycott the dlc and future games from bioware then we will all see the benfeifts and it also prevents other companies from trying to follow suit because now they will look upon that decision as financial suicide,come on now we want them to know "what you want to hold back content to release as dlc later, we cant do that no one will buy our dlc or any future games its financial suicide!" That is what we need to get through to them, not lay back and take it so instead they now say "wow did you see the turnover in profits from the dlc thats great, what da hell do you think they are doing right this second they are creating games with dlc already in mind, it screams all about the money.

See I now have to start realising my age because I am not of the new gen consoles generation, my 1st console was an atari that loaded games by waiting for hours for 1 cassette to load. There was no online, no multiplayer, no internet even, so what did they do, they had to release a game and made sure the campaign and multiplayer was a s perfect as could be otherwise it wouldnt sell, so games were as honest as could be and showed itself in entirety. But now what, are you teling me that ME3 was a game that was completed to entirety and to customer satisfaction, id say the feedback alone screams that the community wasnt happy and what peoplpe were failing to see is what was biowares response........................... crap like "hang in there" and save your reps or whatever crap they started spouting suggesting they already planned on releasing a crappy ending to force customers to BUY and spend your hard earned money on the crap they decided to do half arsed just to make more out of us.

As I said I loved the whole ME series, it sent shivers up my spine, as a pianist as well I love the music and can even perform an end once and for all on piano, a company has decided to throw away all that made them so great and loved by the community, THEY have turned their backs on us by putting profits ahead of customer satisfaction, if they were truly sorry the dlc will be free but we shall all see their response and how little they really care about the community and what really matters to them is only 1 thing, sales and profits

[PaxtonFetel]

This is not something that I've been waiting since 2007.
Forgetting as a nightmare and is no longer communicate with Bioware games :\\

[signum8711]

update: The future is already here guys, but we're still in the stages of being able to do something about it. TekkenXStreetfighter, im sure you guys are all aware, they held back on releasing the full roster of characters and costumes to release them as dlc, go on xbox marketplace and look at the add on section, then figure out when it was released and when the add ons came out then tell me they are not trying to rob us blind we have to stop this NOW before its too late. boycott is the only way that we can affect them hit em where it hurts,their wallets

[Artemis_Entrari]

AlanC9 wrote...

Gweedotk wrote...

It was definitely one of the biggest cliff-hangers I've ever seen. Is it just me or the more money a company makes off a product, the more disappointing a product it churns out?

Is cliff-hanger the word you're looking for there? I thought the problem was that the ME universe fell off the cliff. Or re you an I-theory supporter?

I think when people refer to ME3's ending as a cliff hanger, they mean because we're left wondering WTF just happened, without any real answer to that question forthcoming.

[The Train]

signum8711 wrote...

update: The future is already here guys, but we're still in the stages of being able to do something about it. TekkenXStreetfighter, im sure you guys are all aware, they held back on releasing the full roster of characters and costumes to release them as dlc, go on xbox marketplace and look at the add on section, then figure out when it was released and when the add ons came out then tell me they are not trying to rob us blind we have to stop this NOW before its too late. boycott is the only way that we can affect them hit em where it hurts,their wallets

I totally appreciate the notion that we should be given a complete game.  I think it's devious to ship a game without the complete ending and then ask players to download an ending DLC and to pay for it.

BUT

Part of what we're rejecting here is a fundamental economic shift that's been happening throughout all sectors of the global economy.  We've shifted from a commodity model to a subscription model and that happened a long time ago.  You can't buy a car anymore without it being required for you to take it back to the dealer for service:  it's the same thing there.  Auto companies need the revenue stream.  If they saturate the market with cars, how can they continue to make money?  Not by selling cars.

Same for gaming consoles.  Gaming consoles do not turn a profit for the company.  The games do.  That's why you can often get a company to do an inexpensive repair of a console:  the longer your console doesn't work, the longer you aren't buying games.

In sum, there will come a day when you will buy games in piecemeal fashion.  Somehow.  Services like Steam and Origin are simply this trend continuing to work itself out.  Buying discs with music, movies, and games on them is a practice tied to a form of capitalism that is all but dead and once that's gone the idea of "a complete game" goes too, in favor of an experience that never has to end.  (I'm talking purely in terms of the commodity itself;  clearly, from an artistic perspective, the experience would probably need to end at some point).