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[Edrick1976]

This makes me want to drop Star Wars....

[KingDan97]

syllogi wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I challenge any member of Bioware staff (and their supporters) to defend that ending with regards to the its coherency.

Did you see those links to the NY Times and Penny Arcade?  Well, there you go.

Yeah, the Penny Arcade "report" ignored any points it couldn't refute(and even those it thought it could) and NY times was just the review. Maybe you should actually take a look at the links before you claim they cover anything.

[comanche warior]

I think the only big name sites and magazines that have supported the gamers is Forbes and Gamerrant. The biggest thing that gets me is that the NYT and PA dont have people that actually play the series through. They have a different person play the game each time. Im going to go off topic but the critics loved MW3 and that game was a $60 map pack. I have to say that I loved the game and the series with that said I also dont like the endings but if they dont change them oh well Ill live with it.

[ShinsFortress]

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories"

Some? SOME!?!

*sigh*

*shake head*

[Anthadlas]

Casey Hudson wrote...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

I simplified it for you

[Craigonator]

Ticondurus wrote...

They know about the situation. I wish he would have addressed the endings issue, specifically. Glad to hear we can expect more from Commander Shephard. Not sure how though... Time portal?

Space Magic is how.

Btw great Post BwFex.  I am too upset to even come close to posting everything as nicely as you have.  You hit the nail right on the head.  We all feel betrayed by the people who promised us so much.  This is probably why the anger in the community will not go away.

[djspectre]

I agree with earlier sentiments that this is a cleverly disguised non-answer, though I think his hands were bound somewhat because he didn't want to have any spoilers in his message.

There isn't much Bioware/EA can really do, short of releasing the mother of all patches that basically rewrites half the game so that players can have the ending they 'want'.

We already bought the game and have played it through to the end, which is really all that matters. None of us are getting refunds and the trilogy is over so what's the point in complaining at all.

[crazygrinner]

To Hudson:

That is not a proper response to our issues with the game. Personally, I'm willing to wait for one though.

As to your offer of DLC, no thanks. Not without a proper ending. Although it shames me to admit it, I probably would buy a proper ending (for THIS story at least).

I wish you luck, I have no desire to see the Mass Effect universe be destroyed, despite (or perhaps in spite of) the currently portrayed ending.

[TheSteelArcher]

I just wish someone would directly acknowledge what all of us already know, that fans, for the most part, were extremely unhappy with the endings. I appreciate that he said something, but he didn't say anything we didn't know nor did he address the real issue here. If someone at BioWare will acknowledge the outrage for what it is, all of us will be better off.

[jsog]

I don't really consider myself a hardcore fan. Sure, I've played all 3 games, but I didn't even like ME2 all that much.

I really did enjoy all of ME3 right up until the ending.

I'm not upset because I'm someone who has lived and breathed the saga from day 1, I'm someone who is irritated that a company I respected would put out an ending that seemed to try to be more "epic art" than it did closure to a story. I am also very surprised that Bioware completely lost what seemed like a major theme in Mass Effect 3; that if you work hard enough, you can have a reasonably happy outcome to a situation. There really was very little "reasonably happy" about any of these endings.

I felt like the game was epic right up until the very end. Disappointing to say the least... I'm not sure I will bother buying any additional DLC. The only reason I am even posting in this thread is because I was linked to the OP by a very upset "hardcore fan," and I felt like the statement linked in the OP was implying that the only people unhappy with the ending were "hardcore fans." That is not the case.

[wolf99000]

Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival

just thinking when he says this which ending is the inspiring uplifting one last time I checked they all pretty much stuffed the whole universe

[ziloe]

So, wait. Did you just deflect the issue? People don't care about playing further, if it still culminates into a terrible ending.

[Getorex]

comanche warior wrote...

I think the only big name sites and magazines that have supported the gamers is Forbes and Gamerrant. The biggest thing that gets me is that the NYT and PA dont have people that actually play the series through. They have a different person play the game each time. Im going to go off topic but the critics loved MW3 and that game was a $60 map pack. I have to say that I loved the game and the series with that said I also dont like the endings but if they dont change them oh well Ill live with it.

And Amazon.com and Metacritic.  Those are USER reviews not paid hack "professional" reviewers that play a bazillion games a year as quickly as they can to rush off glowing reviews because the game company paid them add money.  Whipping through ME3 is NOT any way to get a feel for it.  These reviewers see it as practically a stand-alone game in a shooter genre and don't have any connection of history with the full series.  To them a bit of  run-and-gun and some nicely rendered ****** and ass is all it takes to make a "good game".  Ending schmending.

USER reviews count most and Amazon comes in at a solid 2 stars, last I checked, and Metacritic is FULL of 0s and 1s and both sites hit on the same themes: love for the game series, the universe, the characters, the play but having all of it, even retroactively back to ME1 and 2 ruined by the ending of ME3. 

I have advised my sister and father, both otherwise fans too, to NOT play ME3, or if they must, play until just before entering the beam at the end and just make up the ending they want and deserve (because what they get will spoil the entire series for them).

I myself and unregistered both ME2 and ME3.  No point to playing ANY of them ever again, DLC or not, with the ending to ME3 as it is.  I'd rather replay Crysis and Crysis 2 go into Modern Warfare.  Those games don't stick a stilleto in your back - they are just simple run-and-gun games...like professional reviewers at the NYTs and such consider things like ME3 and who gives a damn about the ending to a run-and-gun?

Modifié par Getorex, 17 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[yearsago]

558 words and still managed to really not say anything

[comanche warior]

I think the only big name sites and magazines that have supported the gamers is Forbes and Gamerrant. The biggest thing that gets me is that the NYT and PA dont have people that actually play the series through. They have a different person play the game each time. Im going to go off topic but the critics loved MW3 and that game was a $60 map pack. I have to say that I loved the game and the series with that said I also dont like the endings but if they dont change them oh well Ill live with it.

[Altered Idol]

jsog wrote...

I don't really consider myself a hardcore fan. Sure, I've played all 3 games, but I didn't even like ME2 all that much.

I really did enjoy all of ME3 right up until the ending.

I'm not upset because I'm someone who has lived and breathed the saga from day 1, I'm someone who is irritated that a company I respected would put out an ending that seemed to try to be more "epic art" than it did closure to a story. I am also very surprised that Bioware completely lost what seemed like a major theme in Mass Effect 3; that if you work hard enough, you can have a reasonably happy outcome to a situation. There really was very little "reasonably happy" about any of these endings.

I felt like the game was epic right up until the very end. Disappointing to say the least... I'm not sure I will bother buying any additional DLC. The only reason I am even posting in this thread is because I was linked to the OP by a very upset "hardcore fan," and I felt like the statement linked in the OP was implying that the only people unhappy with the ending were "hardcore fans." That is not the case.

Well said. I dont begrudge people their choice of ending, why should I not have mine? Now we've been told that it was never an option, that a happyish ending was never going to happen. so much for choice. Really disappointed by this news.

[tfKR3W]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Casey Hudson wrote...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

I simplified it for you

hahaha so true

Modifié par tfKR3W, 17 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[Slapdaddy]

sjay449 wrote...

Jesus Christ people, it has only been a week since the game launched.

Give them sometime to asses their situation and see if they will do a broken steel(which is what I am hoping for) change the ending completely or leave it as it is.

I get it, and Bioware probably gets it that we are all pissed of at the ending, but give them sometime. One can't just use pixie dust and all that other mystical stuff to add to a game.

It takes time to make decisions and time to make that content.

So lets just give them sometime

Time is something they don't have much of at this point.  It's been almost two weeks since launch, the endings are beyond horrible, the endings ruin the entire franchise, and his reply seems to be formal and well-written enough to serve as some sort of "official company response".  And regardless of his intentions on the matter, people will still take it that way. 

As well-written as it is, all this response does is cite a couple of pristine reviews to use as an excuse for "what we did was right!" and then casually brush off the angry customers who want a better written ending to the trilogy.  Oh and come buy some DLC.  This is basically a bunch of pretty words surrounding absolutely no substance.

BioWare has betrayed the trust of it's customers and it's loyal core of fans.  How can anybody trust this company after this?  It's mind-boggling that such an awful ending can be green-lit after such a beautiful game and trilogy.

If this situation is not properly responded to in a positive manner, and/or rectified quickly, I will not be buying anything Mass Effect or BioWare related...

Ever. Again. 

Modifié par Slapdaddy, 17 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[jessielou]

Udindoctrinated wrote...

Why do you complain right now?
At least he said something ... still better than nothing

What he said is the equivalent of nothing.  So, no it's not better.

I think this quote from the PA article is deliciously ironic- "  Here’s the rub: You don’t know that they won’t wreck you again."  

Because this is in fact the only certainty I've walked away with.  I'm done with this mess, and I'm done with Bioware/EA.

[Getorex]

Every relationship, every kill, every ally gained or lost, every side mission, every problem solved, every resource recovered, every ship added to the armada, every galactic readiness percentage point all counted for naught at the end. Do everything right and get the best possible results to every issue in 1, 2, and 3 or do everything wrong and blow everything and you still get funneled into ONE ending with 3 different colors. What could go wrong with that?

[Craigonator]

ziloe wrote...

So, wait. Did you just deflect the issue? People don't care about playing further, if it still culminates into a terrible ending.

Agreed.  I do not want anything else to do with Mass Effect now as it stands.  The only thing I can do is try to keep up the fight for those who felt as betrayed and upset as I have.

-I can No longer look at Mass Effect merchendise becuase of the ending.  Any other projects such as a Movie, DLC, Artwork,  Novels.  comic books.  None of it interests me anymore. 

-I was happily planning on playing through ME1 ME2 and ME3 a few more times to change up the storyline a bit  buying more DLC then buying more crap that i didn't need but had to have. But since the endings it means nothing for me to do so.   To me not even a few nights of heavy drinking could shake the bad feeling.  ( I really tried)

-Do not get me wrong.  I loved 99% of the game all the way up to the last 1%  (won't say anything here since they are spoilers)  I am sure you are aware of the issues by now.   

-That 1% was more than enough to ruin the universe for me and so many others.

Finally I was really looking forward to buying an SR2 Hat if there was one.  But now it would just be a reminder of broken promises.

[Deepo78]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Casey Hudson wrote...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

I simplified it for you

I get much less angry reading this version.

[Edrick1976]

What this guy said....

bwFex wrote...

Casey wrote... 

There’s been a lot of discussion and debate about the conclusion of Mass Effect 3, so I thought I’d share my  perspective with you here. I’ll avoid outright spoilers, but I’d still recommend finishing the game and experiencing it for yourself before reading this.

Casey, good. I'm glad you could finally join us.

Casey wrote...  


For the last eight years, Mass Effect  has been a labor of love for our team; love for the characters we’ve created, for the medium of video games, and for the fans that have supported us.  For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made as a player since the journey began in 2007. So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of your actions.  You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey.

And to an extent, I would say that this plan was successful. The vast majority of the overarching storylines (the genophage, the migrant fleet, etc.) were dealt with over the course of Mass Effect 3 in a way that was beautiful and satisfying. If the ending had been better, and had offered just a little bit of extra closure (in the form of a DA:O epilogue slideshow), your plan may have worked without a hitch.

Casey wrote...  

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way.

As many of your fans have stated, we agree with this goal. Sacrifice has been a huge element of the Mass Effect franchise, and none of us wanted a perfect ending with rainbows and butterflies. Almost everyone walked into that final mission expecting sacrifice. Most of us didn't expect Shepard's survival to be an option at all. 

In fact, as many of your fans have made perfectly clear in the feedback thread you started (you have been reading that, right?), most of our favorite moments are instances of meaningful, satisfying sacrifice. Mordin. Thane. Legion.

Casey wrote...  

Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.

Unfortunately, this is where you and your team began to fail.

What you have mistaken for poignance and heroic sacrifice comes across as trite, cliche, amateur writing, disconnected from the entire franchise in theme, scope, and credibility. I am not a writer, an artist, or some brilliant 
connoisseur of literature - I am only a humble paying customer. But what I saw in the final five minutes of this 5-year-long experience has essentially convinced me that the galaxy I thought I loved so much never existed at all. That it was all a cruel joke, a lesson in nihilism and meaninglessness: an excuse for some writer to make some deep, philosophical statement at the expense of alienating and disappointing the millions who supported him and the world we thought he created.

There is no sense of victory here. There is no sense of hope. The only positive feeling I walked away from this ending with was "at least the next cycle of evolution isn't as screwed as we are." Meanwhile, the squadmates I had grown to love are either dead or on the path to extinction. The galactic civilization I had grown to love is in a technological apocalypse not likely to be broken any time in the foreseeable future. The victories I earned over the course of the game - curing the genophage, uniting the quarians and geth, teaching a Prothean the power of a unified alliance - are all invalidated by either extinction or synthesis.

There is no hope here, and we were given no platform for reflection. Instead, we got a hue-shifted cinematic and a 30-second recital from Buzz. (I'm sure that must look awesome on your resume, by the way.) Now, we're left to imagine for ourselves all of the reasons our galaxy is screwed.

Casey wrote...  

We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received.

I'm sure you're very proud.

Casey wrote...  

But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series.

First of all, thanks for corralling us into a minority. That's always appreciated.

Closure is the smaller issue at hand, here. Please don't misinterpret that as "it's a small issue," because that's patently false.

I literally cannot even tell you which of my squadmates are dead and alive. I'm not even sure if Shepard is dead or alive. To the best of my knowledge, the destruction of the relays caused a supernova-scaled extinction event in every known star system in the galaxy. And if this isn't true, half of the galactic races will go extinct because there is no support for dextro life in the Sol system, and the other half will be eaten by the krogans as earth's post-apocalyptic resources dwindle, then they'll go extinct because all of their women are back on Tuchanka.

Or maybe my favorite color is green, and the entire galaxy was magically transformed into husks. Because clearly, the best way to avoid being turned into a husk by the Reapers is to willfully be turned into a husk by the Reapers. And don't get me started on how this completely invalidates the entire genophage problem. 

So yes. You could say closure is an issue. But I digress.

This... star child. If he was not an attempt by Harbinger to indoctrinate Shepard, then I genuinely want to know where I can buy whatever your writers were smoking. Thanks to the Final Hours app, we know indoctrination was originally part of the plan. What happened? Why can't you just come out and tell us that you ran out of time, that you need a few more months to make things right?

I just. I'm disappointed, and thanks to the rest of this amazing community, you've seen the exact reasons I'm disappointed a couple hundred times in the past twenty four hours. (Which, looking back, is about the only positive experience I've had with Mass Effect since the ending.)

The point I'm trying to make is that "some of your most passionate fans" aren't just looking for catharsis. We're looking for the real story. How was this really supposed to end? We paid for the story we were promised: one that would leave us satisfied, with all of our questions answered, where we weren't simply picking A, B, or C. You promised that, mere weeks ago. You do remember that, right?

I've been let down before, but never betrayed like this. I hope you're ashamed.

Casey wrote...  

I am extremely proud of what this team has accomplished, from the first art concepts for the Mass Effect universe to the final moments of Mass Effect 3.  But we didn't do it on our own.  Over the course of the series, Mass Effect has been a shared experience between the development team and our fans—not just a shared experience in playing the games, but in designing and developing them.  An outpouring of love for Garrus and Tali led to their inclusion as love interests in Mass Effect 2.  A request for deeper RPG systems led to key design changes in Mass Effect 3.  Your feedback has always mattered.  Mass Effect is a collaboration between developers and players, and we continue to listen.

Apparently, you should have consulted with us a little earlier on this ending.

I am proud of what your team did in ME1, ME2, and the first 99% of ME3. Playing those games was some of the most fun I've ever had in my entire life. All it took was one giant mistake to not only leave a sour taste in my mouth, but to actually ripple back in time and invalidate all of the wonderful things I enjoyed about ME1 and ME2.

You were so close. This was supposed to be the big one. Where did it go wrong?

Casey wrote...  

So where do we go from here? Throughout the next year, we will support Mass Effect 3 by working on new  content.  And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.  

Your words are hollow and meaningless until they are backed by actions. You've already broken promises, and you have lost my trust, my business, and my recommendation to friends and coworkers. I'm as sorry as you are. I can only hope this isn't doublespeak for a meaningless content pack where we can exercise even more futility in the face of a hopeless galaxy. If the ending isn't fixed, there is absolutely no motivation to participate in this universe any more.

Casey wrote...  

We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work together to shape the remaining experiences in the story of the Mass Effect trilogy.

Thanks for taking this journey with us.
 
Casey Hudson

I look forward to seeing your solutions, instead of your damage control.

[Craigonator]

ziloe wrote...

So, wait. Did you just deflect the issue? People don't care about playing further, if it still culminates into a terrible ending.

Agreed. I do not want anything else to do with Mass Effect now as it stands. The only thing I can do is try to keep up the fight for those who felt as betrayed and upset as I have.

-I can No longer look at Mass Effect merchendise becuase of the ending. Any other projects such as a Movie, DLC, Artwork, Novels. comic books. None of it interests me anymore.

-I was happily planning on playing through ME1 ME2 and ME3 a few more times to change up the storyline a bit buying more DLC then buying more crap that i didn't need but had to have. But since the endings it means nothing for me to do so. To me not even a few nights of heavy drinking could shake the bad feeling. ( I really tried)

-Do not get me wrong. I loved 99% of the game all the way up to the last 1% (won't say anything here since they are spoilers) I am sure you are aware of the issues by now.

-That 1% was more than enough to ruin the universe for me and so many others.

Finally I was really looking forward to buying an SR2 Hat if there was one. But now it would just be a reminder of broken promises.