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[Kloreep]

Esquin wrote...

YOu have no idea what you're talking about. Kindly go educate yourself.

We don't want a happy ending. We want an ending that makes sense and gives us closure.

How about simmering down a bit. Who is this "we?"

Part of the problem Casey & co. must have faced trying to put a statement together for this is there is not a united group. None that I've seen. Some people are unhappy with the bittersweet nature of the ending (whereas others, like me, might have complained if it was happier). Others feel they were robbed of closure, wanting at least a DAO-style epilogue. (Can't say I'm among them either, though I can see where they're coming from.) Others cringed at the lore reveals or other aspects of the last ten minutes (Yo! *raises hand*). Some complain on more than one of those accounts.

So who, exactly, should Casey be addressing? In large part, he seems to be talking to the Closure group rather than the others, so I personally can't say it spoke to my complaints. But I don't expect him to, certainly not so soon after the game's release. Especially if he's decided he doesn't want to talk spoilers yet - a reasonable stance this soon after the release of such a big game.

I'm certainly curious to hear more about the ending from Casey, the writing staff, or other involved people on the team, but that's probably better left for another day when both the devs and fans have more distance. I'm certainly not among those who think they're going to just up and change the ending because it's been criticized. Many people may not be happy with it, I may not be happy with it, that does not automatically mean they must change what they've crafted.

Modifié par Kloreep, 17 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[Iconoclaste]

They sure have you all hanging around, happy or not with the ending, eh? Well, that's business as usual, and ranting some more will not change anything to that. I guess they must be used to this by now, and revealing any future intent would be commercially suicidal. The response of Mr. Hudson seems perfectly tuned-up to the kind of "feedback" we can all read here.

Respect.

[LinkSnake1016]

I understand "they" wanted a BITTERSWEET ending and it depresses me. I feel like many people just want resolution but I'm being selfish and want a happy ending! My poor Shepard only had 2..3 months tops with Kaidan but fraternization got in the way, then 2 years of him morning her death, 6 months with her in Cerberus, 6 months with Alliance isolation/trials, Kaidans doubts and almost death before they said to hell with everything and actually decided to be with each other. I've had bitter for a long time and I feel like they want to make my Shepard a martyr. I fought like hell to be with Kaidan and "He's fighting like hell to hold me in his arms again"!

I've lost a lot of members of my team, who were friends almost family, to me and my Shepard! I hope you listen and I hope that for my Shepard and her Kaidan they can beat the odds! This story has mad me cry so much that my husband actually thought someone called me and told me someone died! I've laughed and gotten angry with my team.

Is it so wrong to want that happy ending? I agree that if Shepard were in anyway free the continue with serving the Alliance or the Council, society would make her. I can see them also using her as a Symbol to rebuild Earth and the galaxy and she'll never get rest (or peace with Kaidan). She'll be cursed (?) like Jon Grissom was and I don't want that for her. Also, as per similar situations between games her team broke apart due to outside sources (mostly Alliance and some self continuation of their old life) I understand the ending would need to prevent things like this or Shepard's story will never end b/c she won't have rest but I am begging for a way to make things possible. For her, for Kaidan, for her team, and selfishly for me and the fans.

[RinuCZ]

Thanks for the statement. Although it wasn't concrete, it gave me an ETA - Bioware'll express their attitude via working on a content of DLC which can be seen this year. Either by relating it to the finale (altering) or not (confirming). That's what I wanted to know. I'm going to wait for DLC's feedback before considering a try, anyway. I mean a feedback from people who actually played and finished it, not a hearsay from a paid reviewer.

I still have a hope in you, Bioware. 

By the way, I think a vast majority of unhappy ME fans is aware that 99.5% of ME3 is a great product as a result of years of hard work. Even if it gets lost in occassional more aggressive posts sometimes.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 17 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Miashi]

What of load of magic sparkles in ones eyes. That post was quite pointless.

[Wompoo]

Mr Hudson, this response is damage control only. The ending was a nonsensical husk... no closure, no emotion, no imagination (how long before the team at DX:HR knock at your door). I see a PR response to an issue that has gone viral on the internet... with a very real potential to costing you millions not in plain sale but in DLC as well. I have not seen such a negative response to an other wise "outstanding game". I finished the game and have to say I was dumbfounded with the lack lustre incomplete ending (only one ending in this game, changing the colour does not equal closure). The ending was a fiasco and it will bight you the backside if not fixed.

[Lucy Glitter]

syllogi wrote...

Sigh.

So basically, "the critics had no problem with it, deal with the endings, ignore the fact that "deeper RPG elements" apparently means large swaths of auto dialogue, and buy our upcoming multiplayer DLC."

Well, it was a great trilogy right up to a few feet before the finish line.

I unfortunately have to agree. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 17 mars 2012 - 03:03 .

[comanche warior]

Getorex wrote...

comanche warior wrote...

I think the only big name sites and magazines that have supported the gamers is Forbes and Gamerrant. The biggest thing that gets me is that the NYT and PA dont have people that actually play the series through. They have a different person play the game each time. Im going to go off topic but the critics loved MW3 and that game was a $60 map pack. I have to say that I loved the game and the series with that said I also dont like the endings but if they dont change them oh well Ill live with it.

And Amazon.com and Metacritic.  Those are USER reviews not paid hack "professional" reviewers that play a bazillion games a year as quickly as they can to rush off glowing reviews because the game company paid them add money.  Whipping through ME3 is NOT any way to get a feel for it.  These reviewers see it as practically a stand-alone game in a shooter genre and don't have any connection of history with the full series.  To them a bit of  run-and-gun and some nicely rendered ****** and ass is all it takes to make a "good game".  Ending schmending.

USER reviews count most and Amazon comes in at a solid 2 stars, last I checked, and Metacritic is FULL of 0s and 1s and both sites hit on the same themes: love for the game series, the universe, the characters, the play but having all of it, even retroactively back to ME1 and 2 ruined by the ending of ME3. 

I have advised my sister and father, both otherwise fans too, to NOT play ME3, or if they must, play until just before entering the beam at the end and just make up the ending they want and deserve (because what they get will spoil the entire series for them).

I myself and unregistered both ME2 and ME3.  No point to playing ANY of them ever again, DLC or not, with the ending to ME3 as it is.  I'd rather replay Crysis and Crysis 2 go into Modern Warfare.  Those games don't stick a stilleto in your back - they are just simple run-and-gun games...like professional reviewers at the NYTs and such consider things like ME3 and who gives a damn about the ending to a run-and-gun?

Oh ya man I agree I belong to a gaming community and I have really held my tongue as far as spoiling it for the others in it. I absolutely loved the game right up until the end will I take my copy back for the ending no I wont its not smart. Will I not play the others no those were great as well will I still be a little irritated about the ending ya if they dont change it. I think that the people at G4 TV and others like it need to peel their lips off of BioWares butt and say hey WTF like the rest of us. No they put a article saying that we dont like the endings because they are too dark and all we want is sunshine and rainbows. I can go on and on but thats my take on it.

[KawaiiKatie]

As a fan who was disappointed with (and more than a little enraged by) the ending of ME3, I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to take away from Casey Hudson's statement. The bottom line seems to be: "Buy our DLC!"

I'm hurt and confused, Bioware. Wasn't ME3 supposed to be the end of Shepard's story? Wasn't it supposed to have closure? That is what you promised for months and months before the game's release. You promised closure, you promised multiple endings, you promised a satisfying conclusion to Commander Shepard's story, and you did not deliver.

But I'm supposed to take heart in the fact that DLC is forthcoming? I'm supposed to smile and take solace in the fact that I'll be asked to spend even more money on the franchise that has already let me down so spectacularly? I really don't think I can trust you any more, Bioware.

Please stop jerking us around. Please be completely transparent and honest with us. Stop making us guess and hope and pray... Like I said, I just can't trust you any more. I can't give you anything on faith any more. If I'm going to trust you again or buy any of your products, I'm going to need a damn good reason to believe that I'm not just going to get burned.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 17 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Getorex]

It has been days since I finished (forever) the ONE run I did through ME3. No interest in playing anymore and I am looking for something else from some other company to fill the hole I expected to fill with repeated plays of ME3.

I'm driving home from work today and start thinking about the ending and what was done to the franchise and started getting furious all over again. I thought I was past being furious and was stable with disgusted and disillusioned. But there's the rage. I kept wishing I could face Hudson face-to-face to scream my rage in his face because he did not merely wreck one game, he wrecked ALL of the series. He wrecked my desire to see the movie. He wrecked any interest I had in the books.

Well done. You are a genious Hudson. I'm sure you tell yourself that every morning, noon, and night when you gaze at yourself in the mirror. Don't indoctrinate yourself though Hudson. It isn't really true.

[Mariyanna]

I call PR double-talk. His statement tells us nothing, other than more DLC is on the way. It doesn't say they're actually going to do anything to address our concerns about the ending.

Watch, all we'll get are some DLC missions to add more war assets and extra multiplayer content. I'm not buying any of it and I'm sure I won't be the only one ignoring it.

[OverdrivenI]

 So he basically said nothing?

All of this we already knew. Would really appreciate a solid answer from bioware.

[Rasaf]

Can someone tell me who Casey Hudson PR advisor is because i never gonne hire him.

[Kitteh303]

You know what? Thanks Chud. I'm glad he was man enough to say something. Regardless of where they go from here, I'm behind bioware 100%. Maybe I'm a rabid fantard, but I appreciate their work and I acknowledge how difficult it had to have been to please the fanbase. We're picky, but that's because our expectations of BW are so high. They've given us great games and we expect no less.

[Altered Idol]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

As a fan who was disappointed with (and more than a little enraged by) the ending of ME3, I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to take away from Casey Hudson's statement. The bottom line seems to be: "Buy our DLC!"

I'm hurt and confused, Bioware. Wasn't ME3 supposed to be the end of Shepard's story? Wasn't it supposed to have closure? That what you promised for months and months before the game's release. You promised closure, you promised multiple endings, you promised a satisfying conclusion to Commander Shepard's story, and you did not deliver.

But I'm supposed to take heart in the fact that DLC is forthcoming? I'm supposed to smile and take solace in the fact that I'll be asked to spend even more money on the franchise that has already let me down so spectacularly? I really don't think I can trust you any more, Bioware.

Please stop jerking us around. Please be completely transparent and honest with us. Stop making us guess and hope and pray... Like I said, I just can't trust you any more. I can't give you anything on faith any more. If I'm going to trust you again or buy any of your products, I'm going to need a damn good reason to believe that I'm not just going to get burned.

Well said. exactly my feelings too. 

[addiction21]

Some spoilers follow

!. Give us a info dump. The Reapers have been this big mystery we have been fighting thru three games and we get "they are order you are chaos"
Give us the meet. I dont care if its a blatent infodump. How did they come to be? Why did they become neccaseroy?
Where the F did the kid come from, was he real, and what is the meaning behind those dreams? Please dont tell me this is coming in a paid DLC.

2. Epilogue

3. Epilogue

4. Epilogue

5. Epilogue

9. Sorry I am a chicken we cant count past five.

Anyway give us some damned closure on the people and races so many have come to love. I dont need a new ending. I need to know what happens to these characters. Thats the testament to the group that made these games. Things blow up okay... what happens to the rest of our friends, our home world, the planets.

[Dolphin FFetus]

Its over, you might as well mourn for Mass Effect. Everyone on the internet, this forum, other boards, etc etc could all work on a bullet point list of why the ending is bad but gabe or tycho would say the ending was fine and we'd just get Omega dlc or some multiplayer pack. Its seriously over. This is damage control, nothing more. You've been trolled by a man who has made enough sells to get away with it.

You know what you do to show him your angry? Don't buy the omega dlc or anything else. Its highly cathartic for us to voice our opinions, outrage, disapointment and ideas but at the end of the day it is nothing but our very own catharsis. Your opinion doesn't matter. I'm just saying this because in 5-7 months Bioware will release some war assets or maybe the omega dlc and the same people who complained will go buy that begrudginly. Seriously, don't do that. That's how you show the man you're angry, that his ending is awful.

Move on, if you haven't already, but don't forget.

Modifié par Dolphin FFetus, 17 mars 2012 - 03:08 .

[Oldbones2]

I really hope I don't get banned for what I say next.

Oldbones2 on why what Casey Hudson said is completely wrong.

I understand that you clearly meant ME 3 to be a series of endings, and that each part of the game is in fact part of the story ending. This is fine. It actually makes a lot of sense.

But you could have told us that months ago BEFORE we bought the game. As it stands NO ONE KNEW that was what you intended for us. In fact many of your comments indirectly contradict that.

You did however promise us a completely happy ending that would be pretty much rainbows and sunshine. While that it is pretty damn hard to deliver that to EVERYONE because tastes vary from person to person. It's equally clear from the production notes and your comments just a few hours ago that this was never going to be the case.

If so, you should have told us in advance. This would have quelled much of the discontent that we now see spreading like wildfire.

Lastly regarding your choice of ending. The production notes make it clear that you did not in fact have an ending in mind beyond, bittersweet and awesome. They also make it clear that eventually you just settled on the ending we now have.

This is also rather unacceptable. You guys had a perfectly viable ending already in the tubes. If ALL of ME 3 is an ending then why did we need a choice at the end that creates so many problems and causes so much hatred? You wanted to create speculation, fine, you wanted to make it feel personal ok, and you wanted the ending to reflect back on the player as best it could.

WHY not simply let us die on the platform with Anderson as the Crucible fires and destroys the Reapers. Why not let him keep his AWESOME extended dialogue that could be personalized to greatly reflect the choices you have made throughout the game.

This ending would have had it all. Anderson and Shepard dieing gives us bittersweet. While the excellent Keith David makes it personal. The lake of a Reaper God Child keeps us from creating massive plot holes for no reason at the end. And the fact that the Reapers motivations are extensively hinted at but never truly revealed means that there will be speculation for YEARS to come.
Best of all this ending, while HIGHLY tailored to each player gives Bioware a fairly solid platform for ME 4 set oh say 200 years in the future.

This is IMO (and that's not worth much) an ending of equal quality to yours. I came up with it in five minutes as I wrote this down and I'm not a professional writer. Yet it delivers on MOST if not all of the promises you made and the customers trusted when they bought your game.

Sorry Casey Hudson but your excuse for broken promises and a bad ending comes too late for me. If you had just manned up and said what needed to be said months ago we could have avoided most of this.

I want a new ending.

[Getorex]

Littledoom wrote...

So nothing is going to change, we are stuck with this pile off stinking dog **** you call a end? If nothing change I sure as hell not going to buy any DLC for ME3, don't see the point, the game have 0 replay value to me and if I hear a BW employee say it's the journey thats important not the destination I will give them a brick wall to the face one brick at the time.

It's so damn sad as the game is good but the end destroyed it together with the whole trilogy and the ME universe. If BW would announced a new game in the same universe I would not give it a second thought as it is now.

No, it's also pretty much the destination that matters too. 

Yeah, gotta say, the destination has a lot going for it.  I'm not going to enjoy my walk to the gallows even if the path is bordered by fragrant flowers.  Why?  BECAUSE THERE'S A GALLOWS RIGHT THERE AT THE END.

[Craigonator]

It is a common tactic for people to say nothing in the first statement. Understandably he does not want to give out spoilers and he does not want to say anything until they can (if they ever do) get people together to discuss what happened. The loss of millions of dollars of revenue for a series that could have been a juggernaut like Star Trek and Star Wars should be a big thing for them to worry about.

[iAlex59]

I would be banned writing this post how I'd want to.

Basically he says we're sitting it out, we always listened to you (RPG Elements in Mass Effect 3 huh? class Weapon restrictions are now completely gone, no inventory and you call upgrading weapons "RPG element"?), Mass Effect is a team effort, the press liked it (Oh ****, the referenced press probably never played ME1 or ME2)

"Please go **** yourself"
- You know who I quoted.

Modifié par iAlex59, 17 mars 2012 - 03:13 .

[Getorex]

Mariyanna wrote...

I call PR double-talk. His statement tells us nothing, other than more DLC is on the way. It doesn't say they're actually going to do anything to address our concerns about the ending.

Watch, all we'll get are some DLC missions to add more war assets and extra multiplayer content. I'm not buying any of it and I'm sure I won't be the only one ignoring it.

But...but...you can flush those extra war assets down the toilet with all the rest of it when you choose a color at the end!  More turds to flush!  What could be more fun than that?

[Pyewacket]

My, what an articulate and well written bunch of bull ****.  Kudos to you, Mr. Hudson.

Oh, and also, deeper RPG elements?  Where the hell were those hiding?  Jesus, I must have missed them when I was Gears of War-ing my way across the screen 90% of the time.

[Mikk016]

This is my first and last post on this forum.

After all these years, BioWare.. I'm not coming back. This is not a dagger in the back. This is a gunshot to the spine.