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[Ticondurus]

In case they actually read this, here are my thoughts, and possible solutions to the ending, again.

- THE ENDING.  I'm actually okay with the decision you were faced with at the end, and I thought it was pretty epic in scope that your Shephard was about to make a choice that would effect the future of all life.  Totally felt like it was akin to rebooting 'The Matrix' with the Architect/Oracle- which is fine.  And I fully expected Shephard to die so that's not the issue.  It felt a bit tangential story-wise since the Synthetic vs. Human theme was such a small part of the larger ME Universe/Story.  ME, at least to me, was about exploring strange worlds, relationships between different species and getting different species to work together for the common good.   Though the final decisions were a 'gray' area, the Synergy ending seem to be the "Paragon" one to me since the Catalyst said that was the 'next step' in evolution.

ENDING RE-VAMP SUGGESTIONS:

  A) For me, one thing missing was showing how your crew, former crew and the war assets you acquired were all involved in the final fight.  I would have been SO PLEASED to see things such as: Jack and her biotic squad in a fight, Miranda and Jacob fighting some Reaper forces, THE RACHNI QUEEN (where was SHE?!?) laying the smack down on a Reaper, the Geth (who you freed) attacking the Reapers, Aria and her team of Mercs, et cetera.  Also the Volus, Hanar and Elcor were missing. Would have be much more of a WIN if you showed the various forces and friends you had amassed in a montage of fighting while you are on the Citadel.  Especially the RACHNI QUEEN.  The time with her on that one ME3 quest was it? Boo! Fans have been waiting for her assault for two games!

  Also helpful, take a page from the ending of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (Special Edition) and show celebrations on planets besides Earth (like Palaven, Tuchanka, Thessia, etc.) to make it feel like a more epic, emotional victory, not just Earth but galaxy-wide.  Mass Effect's charm was really how humans interacted with other races, and the other races and homeworlds felt left out in the endings. We get humans in every other game.

  C) Also, clear up the confusion about destroying the mass relays and thus destroying all life in each system (a la Arrival)? If so, then everything dies and your final decision wouldn't matter.  I didn't read the ending that way but a lot of people want that cleared up.  I am okay with having some unanswered questions at the end.  Just needed to feel more emotionally satisfying, it would if my suggestions were included.

Modifié par Ticondurus, 17 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Ruari]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

Jessica! Only ever seen you on Twitter, good to know you're posting here too.

Thank you for trying to calm things down. Maybe it's just the raw emotions of the moment, but  I hope that you (Bioware) mean what you say. Because honestly I think you'll find that the main thing people want is some kind of ending DLC. We'll probably say that plenty more in the coming days, so please don't just sweep it under the rug. The Take Back Omega DLC really can wait.

[Jessica Merizan]

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

[rorako]

crimzontearz wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration. In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational. Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening. This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

Jessica...with all due respect but......are you blind?

Not exactly how you wanted to phrase that line.

I think what he means is that we've posted all that you've asked for already.  Aside from the indoctrination theory, there is that humongous poll asking for a better ending.  There are topics upon topics of threads saying what fans want: explanation to plot holes and/or a better ending.  If you want more specific then that, there are also doezen's of topics based on fan fiction.

Perhaps a mod-based stickied thread, where a moderator updates with threads they see as "constructive" feedback towards the endings (i.e. Not complainign or theorizing, but what people want to see).

[OchreJelly]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

I get what you're saying, however, most of the feedback is buried in the main megathread, and I think some unfortunate staffers will have to comb through that themselves and gauge the community responses and balance the workable vs. the unworkable. Else there is really no point to keeping that thread in play...

Also would like to state that besides the final ending and some overlookable goofs, most people seem to absolutely love 99% of the game. I hope BioWare realizes this.

Modifié par OchreJelly, 17 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[RLesueur]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

Thank you!

This is all I (and hopefully most of us) wanted to hear. Real hope that our feedback might be implemented!

[Narayan23]

Ah the snake oil salesman is making a statement, why should i trust anything you say?
Trust comes by foot and leaves by horse

Hold the Line

[Bendok]

Well, Casey, thanks for addressing the fans.

Still not sure what to make of it though. I mean its obvious Shepard's adventures aren't over. We knew there was going to be DLC. I would not take this as an admission any of said DLC will have anything to do with the ending though. It's carefully worded.

[SamFlagg]

Ahem, and folks.  You can both not agree to terms and still have a civil discussion.  That is the stage we are currently at.  Anger and rage should be used as fuel to power the marathon.  Not weapons to direct at bioware at this particular juncture.

Even if we think they are meeting with us in poor faith, we must meet with them in good.

[Rulycar]

Wow, I find those two links just plain insulting.
I think you are too close to the trees to see the forest.

RE:
...  New York Times
...  Penny Arcade

Modifié par Rulycar, 17 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Haiyato]

 

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration. 

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational. 

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening. 

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). 

THere has been plenty of feedback submitted for the past week,. This to me tells me you guys are not listening on the boards, twitter, or Facebook. It seems like Lip Service at its finest now  

[crimsontotem]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

Ms. Merizan

I know you have been listening to forum Indoctrination theory, I think you can find plenty of evidences why we can't accept the ending as it is. I will just list personal desire from the ending.

1. Closure 
2. Last boss 
3. My own unique ending
- Three endings with different colors doesn't cut it. all the choice i made in 2 games basically useless as well as in third game. This is not the reward that 5 years old fans have been looking for. 

[VonVerrikan]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

But you already know, Jessica. Do you want us to literally build the positive ending we require ourselves so you can impliment it? There needs to be closure, there needs to be a positive ending to this that does not destroy everyone and everything we tried so hard to save.  

Just give us an ending where we live, our LI's live, and the universe survives to rebuild, and I think everyone would be happier. Show us that all our decisions can ammount to doing the impossible! Just make it very, very difficult to attain. Sunshine and bunnies need only be reserved for players who stive their hardest to do the impossible!

[Vaktathi]

 I appreciate that Mr.Hudson took the time and effort to acknowledge and respond to the controversy here regarding the endins. That is greatly appreciated I hope to see more such interactions with development staff.

That said, it amounted to a non-answer, and especially quoting two mainstream media sources which have largely remained silent or actively look down on player efforts in this instance, seems to simply be saying "well, the big names like it, that's what was really important".  

It doesn't take a literarary scholar to immediately pick up on the endings plot holes, inconsistencies and violations if reader-writer contract. This isn't a tiny insignficiant portion of the playerbase here feeling this way, it's a fairly widespread chunk of the playerbase. In fact, it's rather difficult to find *anyone* outside of a Media source that found the ending to be anything near on par with the rest of the game in terms of execution and writing quality. 

Really, I'm sure you got this feedback on the endings being a disappointment before the game shipped from your own testing and internal sources, I'd be shocked if you hadn't, too many people are having immediate reactions to the ending encounter before it's even finished and finding signfiicant issue with it for most of us to believe otherwise.

At this point, you've had almost a full week of public feedback that trends astoundingly similarly no matter its source on the issue on how the playerbase feels and why it feels that way. I'm dead certain that you guys have the resources and talent to interpret that data, especially on top of your internal development and testing feedback.

You know what's wrong, you know this isn't a small thing. Don't quote us Penny Arcade and the like, they aren't who you need to be thinking about and their stances are already known. They're a red herring in this issue. Please, do the right thing.



Give the Mass Effect Trilogy the ending it truly deserves. 




The ending needs to actually be inclusive of player choice. As is, we basically have a color filter with a couple tiny tweaks on the same core ending. We had this same ending with the very same 3 core choices (control/destroy/merge), color coded red/blue/green and everything, in the game Deus Ex 12 years ago. They actually took that into 3 distinct endings rather than one. 

The ending should be reflective the choices the player has made. It should have a much broader expanse than those given. It should not functionally destroy the Mass Effect universe. It should not have a flimsy excuse for the Reapers actions. It should not leave us having to come up with wild conspiracy theories and conjecture just to find a way to make it make sense and not seem to open up more plotholes and questions than existed in the game beforehand. The ending should inform us what happens to those we interacted with and the general state of the galaxy following the Reaper attack, give us an Epilogue. 

As is, the Starchild is corny. It's a bad plot device that feels hamfisted and forced. The current ending feels like it was written by a different team for a different game and included by mistake at the last minute. LIke ending Saving Private Ryan with the last 5 minutes of the Matrix Revolutions. 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 17 mars 2012 - 02:44 .

[WildcardCharlie]

HOLD TEH LIONNN!!111!

[cinderburster]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

Thank you, Jessica, for being a voice of reason.  This is actually more reassuring that what Casey had to say, even though I can understand why it was said the way it was.

[Risselda]

I believe that we have given bioware a very clear and in depth view of what we felt was an issue with the ending and more than enough things we would like to see. I dont understand why they seem to be acting like they dont know what we want oO

We have been clear, and most of us calm and rational.

Buying time maybe?

[ArcanistLibram]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

Here's a video explaining all the problems: 

Here's an article explaining all the problems: http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[rebo_tfc]

What do we want? It's simple re-write the ending with 16 different conclusions based on what we did during ME1 2 and 3. Give us an option to defeat the reapers in a way that makes sense. Get rid of the star-god-child crap.

[Fame-KIllz]

LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE GUISE

amirite?

good way to end a trilogy, guys, isn't it?

guys?

[crimzontearz]

RLesueur wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...Jessica Merizan wrote...Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration. In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational. Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening. This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). Jessica...with all due respect but......are you blind?

That's the first thing I've read that's given me hope.

how can she ask us what we want? it's rather obvious.....look at the omnipresent megathreads

[shepskisaac]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

I only wish the teleporting squadmates and Normandy's inexplicable actions in the endings were changed/fixed/explained. I'm fine with everything else.

And if it's possible to somehow have your Love Interest NOT get stranded on the jungle planet and separated from Shep then it would be perfect...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[AxisEvolve]

 >Use PennyArcade like it's a legitimate website.



When will someone from Bioware speak to us like we aren't children? I don't get why all the dev's insist on trying to come across like White House spokespeople.

Be straight with us guys. Reach out to us on a human level, there's been enough robotic press releases. 

I understand professionalism, but let's be real with each other. The relationship between developers and fans doesn't have to be like the relationship between gods and men. If we speak as equals then maybe we can find an equal ground. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 17 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

I'm fairly certain that the general feel is "Great game...except for the endings".

Which is too bad if they had had any other ten minute segment of the game suck it wouldn't have seriously changed anyone's perceptions.

But to have the very end, the very last things we see be that?

Is there any wonder so many of us have such a sour taste in our mouths?

[Kiara]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Is this really all we get in terms of a response? No one here cares if there will be DLC, we already know that. We want to know if you'll consider adding new endings, how is that not obvious enough? I want a yes or no, not a "you'll see what we do throughout the year". What an empty "announcement".

Agreed.

More answers confirmation on things.. not a whole lot of nothing....