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Casey Hudson Addresses the Conclusion of ME3 (OFFICIAL)


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Sam Anders

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


No offense intended, but this board has been doing a lot of that.

I liked the whole game up until the end.

Now what I didn't like about the end? Everything after Harbinger's laser hits near Shepard. Now, there was some good stuff like the conversation with the Illusive Man and with Anderson, but if the Indoctrination Theory is used to write off everything after Harbinger as a dream/hallucination, then I could sacrifice those. But everything starting with the glowing elevator in the Citadel... The "choice" you're given, everything Starchild says, the cutscene endings that are the same with variations in color, I hate all of those.

So how can it be fixed? Easy. The "red" ending has Shepard (presumably; no real reason for it be anyone else) taking half a breath on Earth. That's him waking up after breaking the indoctrination. His squadmates are still there with him, Joker comes in and shoots at Harbinger and distracts him, Shepard and squadmates and possibly Anderson run into the Conduit and get to the Citadel, fight off some Reapers or Cerberus, trigger a control panel that temporarily disables or weakens the Reapers, whatever. The Alliance and everyone you helped over the course of the game is shown blowing up Reapers, you get a nice epilogue, yay new ending that doesn't have mystical crap.

Modifié par Sam Anders, 17 mars 2012 - 02:43 .


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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


I just want an ending that makes sense, isnt riddled with plot holes and WTF moments.

Not asking for much. Dont care if characters die or not, as long as it makes sense.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


Id like to see a real ending. I mean one that makes sense.  A final dialogue with our LI's, a chance to say goodbye for real once when Shepard knows what she  is about to do (sacrifice herself to save everyone) if the 'bittersweet' ending must happen, to tell them we want them to move on and be happy - That's a true bittersweet ending. At least let her say goodbye.

Id like to know where ALL the crew is. If they lived or died. If Anderson is dead or just passed out. How they got from the earth's surface to the Normandy and where they are now. If the Mass Effect Relays are in fact destroyed or not.

Unless there is going to be another Shepard full Mass Effect game where we will find all of this out going on the indoctrination / dream theories. In which case ME3 is perfect just how it is.

Modifié par Nykara, 17 mars 2012 - 02:41 .


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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


Hiya Jess!  Same twitter handle as username.  We've spoken a couple of times.
I think that the most logical solution to the ending would be the indroc theory.  It would be the easiest to code (since it seems that you guys have to do that) and I think it would be the most satisfying for most of the fans.


For me, like I've told you on twitter... closure is important.  What happens after the climax of the series.  What happens with the Krogan, what happens with out squadmates, etc...

For me the ending of the game would be the same as if Harry Potter ended this way...

Harry and Voldemort face off and in the battle they both die.  This in turn causes magic in the entire world to cease.  The End.  We know nothing of what happens to any of the other characters.  The screen and/or page goes blank.

See how unsatisfying that would be as an ending?  That's my biggest complaint with ME3's ending.  It's such a GRAND huge game and then it kinda just goes out with a whimper.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


Assuming you aren't asking for more ending feedback, I would love to see all the main characters from the series be treated with equal respect in terms of their plot lines and character arcs. ME3 did great jobs on characters like Kaiden, Liara, Garrus and Mordin to name a few, but so many others fell short, especially when it comes to fully realized storly lines related to LI's that weren't part of the Big Three (Liara, Kaiden and Ashley). There are lots of people on the character forums who have fleshed out the problems and I hope you guys are reading over there, too.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.


Post-end content.  No godchild.  Have it make sense.

Thats all I want in the entire world.  I dont care if its happy or sad.  Just have an ending that isn't stupid and ill have a smile on my face.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


We have been screaming Alt ending DLC! We wanted our choices to mater in the end.

1. We want to be able to have a happy ending, sure we would have to fight for it but we wanted an ending worth fighting for.

2. We want the endings to make logical, the ones that are there are full of plot holes.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 17 mars 2012 - 02:42 .


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Do we have some good threads we can point them to on this? If everyone keeps re-iterating what we want here it's going to get really spammy.

I actually feel hopeful about this for the first time since I completed the game.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


I would like to thank BioWare for aknowleding that we feel this way. What I want is an ending that doesn't rely on destroying the mass relays as I feel that it destroys a universe that we have all come to know and love. I do not want a lovey dovey ending as I believe there is nothing more for Shepard to do. Also, please eliminate the Normandy Crash, jungle planet thing. Also, I realize that BioWare is a company and could have just said tough, but thank you for taking the time to assuage our fears. I trust that BioWare will remedy this with something that fans will like.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

I'll happily oblige once more:
http://social.biowar.../index/10027091
There's plenty other posts explaining the issue much better than I could, of course.

Modifié par pjotroos, 17 mars 2012 - 02:41 .


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If they would have just not destroyed the Mass Relays, the ending would actually be pretty good. That kinda ****ed up everything.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.


http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/6/

Please address the ending with what is said in this link. Make the ending congruent with everything Mass Effect was up until the ending.

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Kiara wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Is this really all we get in terms of a response? No one here cares if there will be DLC, we already know that. We want to know if you'll consider adding new endings, how is that not obvious enough? I want a yes or no, not a "you'll see what we do throughout the year". What an empty "announcement".


Agreed.

More answers confirmation on things.. not a whole lot of nothing.... 


Or just a straight answer on the indoc theory.

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They have the GUY who LIED TO US for 6 months release a statementÉ Im even more pissed off then before. Screw this, give us something specific, or we keep it up.

Hold the Line. I`d say Bioware has lost my business, but they don`t really exist anymore.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


Although I (as well as countless others) have stated this numerous times in loads of other threads and mediums, all we want is closure and choice. We want to have control over the outcome of our endings in Mass Effect 3 and we want to know how those choices end Shepard's journey, including his friends. If this is really meant to be Shepard's end, let it be such an end as to deserve absolute finality. Right now we have too many questions, too much dissatisfaction, and most importantly too little incentive to replay. Mass Effect 3 was incredible, I loved every minute of it....just not the last five minutes

Mass Effect has always been about the characters and the choices. Make the endings worthy of those assets

Modifié par ChampDude, 17 mars 2012 - 02:45 .


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i want an ending that isn't full of plotholes the size of texas

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There are literally a hundred threads with in-depth desires and theories on how the ending DLC could play out. Have a browse of the forum. Everything you need is there along with multiple articles like the one from gamefront and multiple youtube videos.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.


Multiple ending, all distinct depending on choices throughout the series. That ranges from good to bad.
Continuity, the ending we have is full of plotholes.
Closure, we need an Epilogue at least. What happens to everyone?
Free, charging us for the real ending to a Trilogy 5 yearrs in the making is CRIMINAL.

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WildcardCharlie wrote...

HOLD TEH LIONNN!!111!


Like this?
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In response to Ms. Merizan i would like to see:
- Endings that reflect your war assets and the choices you've made
- A bossfight (optional if possible since not everyone likes them)
- Closure, as an epilogue

That's pretty much all i want ^_^

Modifié par hector7rau, 17 mars 2012 - 02:47 .


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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


Thanks for responding Jessica.

Here's what we need(Everyone please correct me if I'm wrong)

1.)An ending that makes sense
2.)A choice of our final fate and the fate of the galaxy
3.)No plot holes
4.)I really think it would be easy for you all to go with the indoctrination theory. It would be a fresh start on the endings that you could include via DLC which takes place after the current ending and shows you waking up from the dream.
5.)MOST IMPORTANT: Closure. We need confirmation on what we accomplished during the ending and what affect it has on our squad mates and the galaxy as a whole. I understand the devs were going for a LOST style approach with more questions introduced than answers, but in a game where our choices have shaped countless missions and outcomes, we need to see concrete proof of our decisions coming to fruition.

I truely enjoyed the rest of the game, which is why the ending felt so horrible to go through.

I also believe that at this point, fans would like to see some goodwill from Bioware. Whether you release this DLC as free, or at a reduced price or just showing some sort of gesture that you do in fact care about fans reaction and that we aren't really considered the minority.

Personally, my faith in Bioware has been shaken. At this point I do not want to purchase anything with the EA/BW label on it. I believe that you guys can still redeem yourselves by showing some good will towards fans. I believe it would be a good investment.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


With all due respect, we have. but no one seems to be listening.

-1 We want closure

-2 We want to know what impact our choices actually made.  What did Shepard giving his/her life get for us?  
     Use you imagination, its what you want it to be is not closure or answers.

-3 We want something that makes sense. Being told this is it, choose, and Shepard just believing it all makes no sense .. unless some theories are true.  In which ase back to point 1 and 2.

The endings would be OK as they are, if these things were present.

4- More than 1 ending that helps show how these choices mattered.    The said truth is, ragradless what spin is put on it there is only 1 ending, ina  different colors.  Minus that 1 brief clip of a half a breath.


Again, no disrespect intended. but we have all been very vocal about what we want. 
Closure, answers, a sensical ending.

After all, we were specifically promised these things as well as no typical A,B,C ending.
  Instead we got "Lots of Speculation"  and a A,B,C end.

Thats not right no matter what spin they want to put on it.

Thank you for responding.

Modifié par jess05, 17 mars 2012 - 02:44 .


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thejoyrider wrote...

Casey is throwing some passive aggressive realness at all y'all. I don't think that could have possibly be more condescending. The choice of articles to site, the downplaying of the disappointment, the lack of any sort of information and not actually addressing anything.... what a bummer.


I agree. The whole statement was typical PR garbage. If they really intend to fix the ending, why not come out and say that? It would, pretty much, instantly turn all this negative attention around.

To me it just seems like they want to give people false hope that they might add ending DLC sometime in the next year or so, thus stopping or rapidly slowing the growing number of rightfully discontent fans.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.


Then actually have the devs talk with us, rather than brush us off and say that everything is okay because of New York Times, IGN, and Penny Arcade. The "vocal minority" in this situation is now starting to become a majority. I want bioware to actually survive, not get forever soiled because of mislead endings. 

That's my major complaint. Where are those 16 definitive endings Gamble and Hudson promised? I want to see a ton of outcomes on how ME3 ends, not 3 endings that came from the Holy Grail's "What's your favorite color?" crap. 

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).


Okay I am game I want endings that reflect the choices I made in all three games.  Mass Effect has always been about hope I want a hopefull ending that I don't need to play multiplayer to get.  I want Shepard's bringing the galaxy together to mean something.  There should be an ending where bringing all the races together leads to a new golden age not a new dark age.  I want an option for Shepard to die saving the galaxy with out destroying everything he built over three games.  Also think there should be a reward for staying faithful to his LI for three games in that one of the endings should involve him walking off to raise a family and help rebuild the galaxy. You don't need to get rid of the endings you have but you told me I would have options and I want those.  if I worked hard in all three games to keep people alive and bring them together there should be a way to save the galaxy and have a happy ending that is what I have been working for since 2007 and I should be able to get it with out having to play mulitplayer.  This may be hard for you to believe but about 10% of the country doesn't can't get highspeed and can't get multiplayer so i think it is really unfair to require it to get all the endings in teh single player game. Please listen all we want is more options Mass Effect has always to me been about how if people come together they can find hope even when it seems hopeless,i think there should be at least one happy ending and one bitter sweet ending.  It's late and that is all i have for now please listen.

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Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.


The entire game, the dialogue, the cutscenes, the characters everything was bloody perfect until that one last scene.

It invalidated everything we'd fought for up until that point.