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[Spyritus]

But we also recognize that some of our most
passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say
goodbye to their stories

Does this mean that we have to deal with the endings?
He wants us to say goodbye and to give up!

Hold the line!

[WildcardCharlie]

People keep saying "is this only the response we get?" She just said it's not!

Read her posts. Wow.

[mpgeist]

I want to know how my Shepard even lived and ended up on Earth after the Destroy option. If he's truly alive you can't just end it there. I don't even know if anything has actually been saved.

Modifié par mpgeist, 17 mars 2012 - 02:44 .

[Linus108]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

We want an ending that makes sense. One that doesn't rely on a new character being introduced in the last 15 min of the game that we know nothing about. One that doesn't tell us a half assed reason like: the reapers kill life, so life doesn't create synthetics to kill life. 

We don't want the series to end on cut up footage that is incoherent and makes no sense. How did your squadmates go from being on earth, to magically being on the Normandy? How? Why? For a 100+ hour trilogy, why would this be an acceptable way to end it?

An ending that doesn't force you to destroy all the mass relays, becuase it undermines all our past choices, and what makes the Mass Effect world special.

We want an ending where Shepard is..Shepard. Shepard would not blindly follow what this character says. At the very least he/she would question what is being said by this star child. Would make the argument to pick none of the options being forced on him/her. In the end we got, Shepard rolls over, and just gives in. Accepting a fate that is completely out of character.

And finally, we want closure and resolution. 

Modifié par Linus108, 17 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[Priss Blackburne]

A thought has crossed my mind..what if we have reached a point where they are truthfuly asking for our opinions on the endings. So as a collaboration with the fans we create the ending to the series that we will not forget. One that we all as a community help create.

Would this be so bad?

I think I'm done wallowing in deep depression over the ending, I want to Believe ( contrary to my previous post a short while ago heh. This has been a crazy roller-coaster ride of emotions )

I'll have to think long and hard about what ending I would like to see to this chapter of the Trilogy

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 17 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[DieHigh2012]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

I really want to believe you, but it's just hard after ME3.

Guess I'll just keep acting like I'm not extreamly pissed/sad, and bite my tounge and hold the line.

Reading what he wrote does nothing to make it any easyer though.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

Ma'am, with all due respect there have been TONS of posts, threads, and polls stating what we want already. There's even a huge poll on what we'd like to see in an alternative ending. At least it will give you some clues, hopefully.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 17 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[snakesalvation]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!).

I think the answers/data to this are going to be pretty unanimous in what everyone wants. I introduced two new players to the Mass Effect franchise through ME3, and both finished the game scratching their heads, asking ME what happened in the end.


I just want answers to all the questions the game didn't answer and answers to the questions the game raised in the final moments.

What happened to my crew? Why was Joker on the run? Why did my squad, who was with me on the run for the Conduit, end up exiting with Joker on the abandoned planet? What happens post-Reapers if the relays are destroyed? What happens post-Reapers if I choose to control or synthesize? 

I'm sure there's more questions.

I just wanna know... something. 

Thanks Jess. We appreciate it.

[WazTheMagnificent]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

There's plenty of things I'd like to change, but one really stands out: the star child. Just get rid of him, please. That whole sequence is an embarassment. Sorry Dev team, but you are not Stanley Kubrick. It takes a certain kind of subtelty to pull that kind of thing off, and Mass Effect has never had it. Not to mention he makes ME1 seem like a pointless story.

I don't care that the ending is "tragic" I really don't. I'd just like Shepard to act in character in his/her final moments. Give me that, and a few endings that aren't just pallette swaps, and that'll be enough.

[rorako]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

Since there have been so many suggetions threads, I'll post a few links for you and some summaries:

http://social.biowar.../index/10093991
-Though new, this thread, for the most part, seems constructive.  Not specific sontrutives, but general "what we'd like to see".

http://social.biowar.../index/10087809
-The commentary by Brent Knowels.  A lot of people have agreed that what he said on his blog are views that we agree with.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9825811
-A thread where people generally do what Shepard to live and be happy in the end (Note: as an option).

I'm sure any of the Forbes articles that have been linked would also be good sources.  Generally people agree with them.

[Fattness132]

It baffles me how the devs fail to realize what is wrong with the ending of this game. There are literally hundreds of threads that have been created over the past week detailing everything that is wrong - from the plotholes to the nonsensical logic. I am in agreement with basically everyone else - the game was a masterpiece that was absolutely destroyed within 5 minutes of absolute garbage.

[yoshibb]

[quote]Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.[/quote]
[/quote]

This thread outlines the majority of our concerns and also includes a number of articles to our point:
http://social.biowar...5/index/9851623

Also, I think this article from gamefront best outlines what we believe is wrong:
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[MissMaster_2]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

Multiple ending, all distinct depending on choices throughout the series. That ranges from good to bad.
Continuity, the ending we have is full of plotholes.
Closure, we need an Epilogue at least. What happens to everyone?
Free, charging us for the real ending to a Trilogy 5 yearrs in the making is CRIMINAL.

YES! We don't want to just pick from three colored doors give us choice.

Also if there is a 'happy ending' that is extreamly hard to get you know your fans are going to play it over and over and over untill they get it. Bam the game replayablity just went up.

[Packetdancer]

 As background, as disappointed as I was in the ending (because I didn't feel that ending reflected *my* Shepard's choices or behavior up to the final scene), BioWare doesn't *owe* us anything.  Now, if they want to keep a big chunk of their fan base, this is something they really *should* address in some form.  But they aren't in any way *obligated* to do so.

So on the vagueness of Hudson's statement, consider the fact that he gave pretty unequivocal statements prior to launch about the endings.  Now, giving him the benefit of the doubt, you could argue that the endings *are* different in what they imply.  But whether the statements were a viewpoint BioWare genuinely held and which the fans vehemently don't share, or whether they were deliberately misleading, it's clear that the fans took them as a promise — a sort of verbal contract — which is perceived to have been violated.

Given that, if you were in his shoes, would *you* want to make any sort of really firm statement right now?  Especially since chances are they don't yet *have* a full plan of action.  Or would you want to make something that tried to reassure the fan base that "we've heard you and we're going to try to do something" without making concrete promises that would nail you down to a specific course of action?

No, I'm not happy with the ending.  As both a player and a writer, I found the last 5-10 minutes really disappointing.  The concept itself is fine taken out of context, but for many people that ending felt like changing the author for the last chapter of a novel.  If you let Philip K. Dick write the last part of one of Isaac Asimov's books, for instance.  I mean, I love PKD's work and Asimov's both, but there's a pretty darn pronounced difference in writing style and tone and the shift would likely be pretty jarring.  

And as a player I'm *incredibly* disappointed in how BioWare initially reacted to the situation, because having been a fan since the Baldur's Gate days, I expected better from them.  Maybe unfairly — they're only human — but that expectation was there nonetheless.

But having been on the other side of things as a developer, I also have some sympathy for the tendency to want to try to defuse tension with humor as they tried — rather poorly, given the reception — to do initially.  I can readily understand that they're in a place where they probably do not have a really concrete plan of action yet, but still want to reassure the fans that they are going to do *something* even if they aren't sure yet what that "something" actually is.  If they wait until they have a solid plan of action, the fan base would probably be foaming at the mouth and going feral.

So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, just like I hope they'd give me the benefit of the doubt in a similar situation were the roles reversed.

I mean, feeding the company reps to Reaper troops is probably not productive.  After all, going after them like banshees is likely to discourage them from poking their heads out and talking to the community at *all* in the future.  (Or at least discourages them from doing so unless they have heavy artillery, or a Vanguard in the party.  Though at this point the community almost certainly counts as a Gold level match, so if they survive to extraction I imagine they get a forum Commendation Pack.)

There's my 25 galactic standard credits, anyway.  No refunds without a receipt. 

Modifié par Packetdancer, 17 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[Dave3172]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

Specifically:

A real ending where the choices we made over 100+ hours actually affect what we see on the screen, as opposed to three barely different versions that are colored differently. And they don't have to be all candy and flowers.

An epilogue so we can see what happened to the people Shepard cared about most in the world. This is the ending of an epic tale. Tolkein wrote 100 extra pages to sum up his tale. We should get at least a few minutes of video - ALSO affected by the choices we made.

And if you can do none of that, do one thing. When Shepard dies, at least let one of the last people he sees in his mind be the person he loves. Joker? Really?

[RLesueur]

rorako wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

Since there have been so many suggetions threads, I'll post a few links for you and some summaries:

http://social.biowar.../index/10093991
-Though new, this thread, for the most part, seems constructive.  Not specific sontrutives, but general "what we'd like to see".

http://social.biowar.../index/10087809
-The commentary by Brent Knowels.  A lot of people have agreed that what he said on his blog are views that we agree with.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9825811
-A thread where people generally do what Shepard to live and be happy in the end (Note: as an option).

I'm sure any of the Forbes articles that have been linked would also be good sources.  Generally people agree with them.

Quoted for providing useful information!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

Then actually have the devs talk with us, rather than brush us off and say that everything is okay because of New York Times, IGN, and Penny Arcade. The "vocal minority" in this situation is now starting to become a majority. I want bioware to actually survive, not get forever soiled because of mislead endings. 

That's my major complaint. Where are those 16 definitive endings Gamble and Hudson promised? I want to see a ton of outcomes on how ME3 ends, not 3 endings that came from the Holy Grail's "What's your favorite color?" crap. 

Well said.  i want to know why you all were still talking about all the endings we would get long after you knew everyone was getting the same three endings.  Those statements are the reason i bought the game in the first place.

[Paragon Auducan]

Also this is REALLY needed. We need those Assets to mean something. Like in Dragon Age where you can call in your backup.

[kent80082006]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

Well I guess the MOST IMPORTANT thing you need to know is, we want the ending to be changed/extened, but not necessarily go the way we want it to go. We want the team to enjoy the highest level of autonomy in determining how the ending should be altered, as long as they take care of the contradicting/illogical bits in the ending sequence as well as add some sort of epilogue to the end which tells us what happened to everyone we know. Thanks for listening.

Modifié par kent80082006, 17 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[Hexoskin]

This doesn't say anything abot what the fans want, it's nothing but a secondary slap of the BUY DLC we got during the epilogue O.O

[Demarco09]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

I want to flood the entire Bioware HQ with sewage water.

^ LULZ   ....          I nearly ruined another keyboard, your post is so out of place in this forum of sadness...you sir have made me laugh   

[Caz Neerg]

 I think most of us appreciate the years of hard work that have gone into this franchise, but, and I don't mean to be a jerk here, how is Mr. Hudson managing to use so many words and still not say anything that actually addresses our concerns?  

We know you are listening.  We know you factor some portion of the feedback into DLC.  

The question is whether you acknowledge that your design decisions in regard to the ending are deeply, deeply unpopular, with far more than "some" of the more passionate fans, and whether you are seriously considering adding to and/or altering that ending to make it consistent with the character of Commander Shepard, who in most people's playthroughs, is not someone who would just roll over for the Head Reaper and accept a choice set that consists of "Agree with Saren, Agree with the Illusive Man, or Commit Genocide against the Geth."

Modifié par Caz Neerg, 17 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[cinderburster]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

Specifics:

*Tell us why the Normandy.  What was Joker doing?  Why were squadmates that should've been dead on the ship?  Did Garrus and Tali survive on that "paradise" planet they crashed on, or did they starve to death?

*Explanation as to what happens to the galaxy after the relays blow up.

*Explain why Shepard wakes up in the "perfect" ending, how Shepard got there, and what happens to Shepard afterward.

*Endings don't necessarily need to be changed, but need to be added to to reflect our choices throughout the game.  Caveat: "Bonus" endings that are actually different based on your Paragon/Renegade score and the choices you made, not how many resources you gathered would be excellent.

[BarrelDrago]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...


Ma'am, with all due respect there have been TONS of posts, threads, and polls stating what we want already. There's even a huge poll on what we'd like to see in an alternative ending, or at least it gives you a clue as to how we'd like to see the ending.

Do you think she want us to go dig it up?

[phototed]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

This is not a constructive response guys. Be specific in your needs and I'll pass that to the team.

This is a good summation.  link.