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[Uchimura]

mauro2222 wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

The idiot enjoys the experience and he isn't depressed. What an awful thing.

... is that sarcasm? I hope, for humanity sake.

Ignorance is bliss. You can't tell me that it can't be applied here, can you?

Also, no, I'm not calling myself an idiot. And no, I didn't hate the ending. So what?

Modifié par Uchimura, 17 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[mauro2222]

loungeshep wrote...

Gasp!

Srsly though, good on OP for having their own opinion instead of just going with the crowd.

Oh, we are a fashion now?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I shared some of the plot holes the ending has with the OP (hopefully the beginning of an enlightening discussion)... we'll see if any of what I sent him strikes him as a plot hole or inconsistent.... or even if the endings still feel "amazing."

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 17 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[dragonflight288]

Oh, we are a fashion now?

From a strictly technical sense, hating the end of the game is currently fashionable. Like my glasses.

[Uchimura]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I shared some of the plot holes the ending has with the OP (hopefully the beginning of an enlightening discussion)... we'll see if any of what I sent him strikes him as a plot hole or inconsistent.... or even if the endings still feel "amazing."

So... you're trying to ruin it for him?

What.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

From what I can tell, the consistency of the ending hinges on how much the player payed attention during said ending.

If you payed astute attention, plot holes and inconsistencies abound. If you were half paying attention (and just got the general gist), then the ending is fine... maybe even "amazing."

I think just the opposite, in fact one complaint I've seen from many players is that the whole "salvation through destruction" idea came out of left field. They apparently missed it when Sovereign said that in ME 1 and Harbinger said it many times throughout ME2 (it was one of his combat taunts) . There was even an article on Gamefront that talked about stuff that didn't make sense and I had at the time just 2 minutes before reading the article finished the game so all the information they claimed didn't exist was still fresh in my mind.  Doorbell ring or phone call while they were playing? I don't know, but their claims of what wasn't said or explained WAS said or explained very clearly.

So, having paid "astute attention" through all 3 games, I did not find plot holes or inconsistences abounding and I thought the ending was amazing.

Now, if you still think I am not paying attention, then please PM me your list of plot holes and inconsistencies.  I'll answer them and explain them to you, or most of them.   Yes, there are SOME plot holes and inconsistences, but people act like it was Mass Effect: Deception level plot holes and inconsistencies (if you don't know about that, the novel is a complete cluster**** and says stuff like that quarians wear a motley collection of scrap clothing with lots of straps and buckles, and then two volus that have suits with an open helmet, and thats just two of the SMALLEST mistakes... bigger mistake is mention of characters being on the SURFACE of Omega, and talking about the hills of Omega) when it wasn't.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 17 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[mauro2222]

Sovereing actually talks about this ending. (We impose order in the chaos of organic evolution) Pretty much the techonlogical singularity theory.
Harbinger talks about the dark matter ending. (Humanity's role and blabla)

But the problem is not the reason of the reapers' existance, but how it was executed and done.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Uchimura wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I shared some of the plot holes the ending has with the OP (hopefully the beginning of an enlightening discussion)... we'll see if any of what I sent him strikes him as a plot hole or inconsistent.... or even if the endings still feel "amazing."

So... you're trying to ruin it for him?

What.

No, he directly asked me about them.  And if he has insight that makes the ending rest easier with me, I'd prefer that myself.

Hopefully he'll ruin my opinion about the ending.

[dragonflight288]

I shared some of the plot holes the ending has with the OP (hopefully the beginning of an enlightening discussion)... we'll see if any of what I sent him strikes him as a plot hole or inconsistent.... or even if the endings still feel "amazing."

Why not let him form his own opinions and respect them if they disagree with what opinions you have? That's the wonderful on being human, we are free to believe what we want to believe, even if some people can be dead wrong (like the moon landing being fake or the president of Iran saying the Holocaust never happened, and refuses to even look at the evidence or listen to the people who experienced it...to him it never happened and that's that.)

We can form beliefs and opinions, and they don't always agree with each other. Kind of like the Geth and Heretics in ME2. People or groups separate, develop in different ways, and disagree. Every gamer here on the forums have different life experiences behind them. You can't say how the world is to one person and expect them to agree with you 100%.

They have their own unique experiences telling them how the world is. Or game.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

From what I can tell, the consistency of the ending hinges on how much the player payed attention during said ending.

If you payed astute attention, plot holes and inconsistencies abound. If you were half paying attention (and just got the general gist), then the ending is fine... maybe even "amazing."

I think just the opposite, in fact one complaint I've seen from many players is that the whole "salvation through destruction" idea came out of left field. They apparently missed it when Sovereign said that in ME 1 and Harbinger said it many times throughout ME2 (it was one of his combat taunts) . There was even an article on Gamefront that talked about stuff that didn't make sense and I had at the time just 2 minutes before reading the article finished the game so all the information they claimed didn't exist was still fresh in my mind.  Doorbell ring or phone call while they were playing? I don't know, but their claims of what wasn't said or explained WAS said or explained very clearly.

So, having paid "astute attention" through all 3 games, I did not find plot holes or inconsistences abounding and I thought the ending was amazing.

Now, if you still think I am not paying attention, then please PM me your list of plot holes and inconsistencies.  I'll answer them and explain them to you, or most of them.   Yes, there are SOME plot holes and inconsistences, but people act like it was Mass Effect: Deception level plot holes and inconsistencies (if you don't know about that, the novel is a complete cluster**** and says stuff like that quarians wear a motley collection of scrap clothing with lots of straps and buckles, and then two volus that have suits with an open helmet, and thats just two of the SMALLEST mistakes... bigger mistake is mention of characters being on the SURFACE of Omega, and talking about the hills of Omega) when it wasn't.

Sure

[mauro2222]

Uchimura wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

The idiot enjoys the experience and he isn't depressed. What an awful thing.

... is that sarcasm? I hope, for humanity sake.

Ignorance is bliss. You can't tell me that it can't be applied here, can you?

Also, no, I'm not calling myself an idiot. And no, I didn't hate the ending. So what?

That is not ignorance, that's not giving a **** about what happens

On the long run, you end up selling your very soul, why? well, it was always like that, why change it?

Lazy thinking and a selfish one.

Modifié par mauro2222, 17 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[OverdrivenI]

 Plot holes and non-sensical story were glaring.

I hadn't played ME1 or 2 for a VERY long time when I played and finished ME3. I hardly knew the lore well, hell I could only remember snippets from the other games. But when I hit that ending, even I went 'wtf this cant be right' 

It simply made no sense. The rest of the game was fantastic though.

[Kyle]

I enjoyed the ending, my shep even died because I can't play multiplayer. Yet in the end, I did what I had fought to do, I stopped the reapers, and saved countless lives. What is better than that?

[Uchimura]

mauro2222 wrote...


On the long run, you end up selling your very soul, why? well, it was always like that, why change it?

Lazy thinking and a selfish one.

Not sure what this means. Is that from ME1? I only played 2 w/ all DLC and 3.

As for not giving a crap.. it really depends on what the player thinks is important. I had closure with all my former allies and said adios on final sendoff. I don't think anyone argues how good the last part with Anderson is. I guess I didn't need much more than that?

Modifié par Uchimura, 17 mars 2012 - 04:48 .

[mauro2222]

tdl84 wrote...

I enjoyed the ending, my shep even died because I can't play multiplayer. Yet in the end, I did what I had fought to do, I stopped the reapers, and saved countless lives. What is better than that?

Beat the reapers, live after?

[bleachorange]

tdl84 wrote...

I enjoyed the ending, my shep even died because I can't play multiplayer. Yet in the end, I did what I had fought to do, I stopped the reapers, and saved countless lives. What is better than that?

Living to tell the tale? Satisfying my need to know the consequences of major decisions like geth vs quarians and genophage? stuff like that.

[dragonflight288]

Maybe building a home with Tali on Rannoc. Or even having Shepard move into that retirement home (s)he won in a bet in ME1 at Pinnacle Station.

[Slvrbuu]

I agree, about that DLC that happens before the ending, that is. The only thing it could possibly change now, is your war assets, which I personally, had no issues with. Maybe they could do something afterwards, or nothing at all.

[Uchimura]

bleachorange wrote...

tdl84 wrote...

I enjoyed the ending, my shep even died because I can't play multiplayer. Yet in the end, I did what I had fought to do, I stopped the reapers, and saved countless lives. What is better than that?

Living to tell the tale? Satisfying my need to know the consequences of major decisions like geth vs quarians and genophage? stuff like that.

It's amazing Shep lasted that long.. It was only a matter of time before he/she was blown to bits. /again

Modifié par Uchimura, 17 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[Kyle]

bleachorange wrote...

Living to tell the tale? Satisfying my need to know the consequences of major decisions like geth vs quarians and genophage? stuff like that.

Can't argue with wanting that, but it is a selfish desire for shep to have at a moment so important.  The fact that those species and events still exist because of what you did should be enough.

[bleachorange]

Uchimura wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

tdl84 wrote...

I enjoyed the ending, my shep even died because I can't play multiplayer. Yet in the end, I did what I had fought to do, I stopped the reapers, and saved countless lives. What is better than that?

Living to tell the tale? Satisfying my need to know the consequences of major decisions like geth vs quarians and genophage? stuff like that.

It's amazing Shep lasted that long.. It was only a matter of time before he/she was blown to bits.

I was blown to bits - then Cerberus made that problem go away and handed me a baby reaper instead.

[HenchxNarf]

mmmu wrote...

I didn't find anything wrong with the ending either. Longtime fan of the series and finished it like I pretty much imagined it would. I appreciate the room for interpretation, couldn't have expected the Reaper threat to go down in much any other manner than the David Lynch manner it did. What happened, what didn't, and why. It's the journey, not the destination. I didn't feel like I was stolen of my choices, even if the ending was set in stone.

I like this because of reasons... <3

[bleachorange]

tdl84 wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Living to tell the tale? Satisfying my need to know the consequences of major decisions like geth vs quarians and genophage? stuff like that.

Can't argue with wanting that, but it is a selfish desire for shep to have at a moment so important.  The fact that those species and events still exist because of what you did should be enough.

If the relays are spoiler, how long till the Turians and Quarians run out of food?

Modifié par bleachorange, 17 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[GeneralArrow]

bleachorange wrote...

tdl84 wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Living to tell the tale? Satisfying my need to know the consequences of major decisions like geth vs quarians and genophage? stuff like that.

Can't argue with wanting that, but it is a selfish desire for shep to have at a moment so important.  The fact that those species and events still exist because of what you did should be enough.

If the relays are gone, how long till the Turians and Quarians run out of food?

Were are you guys getting that Idea?!!!! That makes  less  sense than the endgings! LOL!!!!

[bleachorange]

they eat different type of food than we do - their whole biology is based off of dextro-amino acids, which do not occur on Earth (our planetary biology not being the dextro-amino acid type). If they eat food that is not dextro-based, they get sick and die.

This is addressed in the bar on Illium in ME2, if you listen to the Quarian and Turian speak.

Modifié par bleachorange, 17 mars 2012 - 05:02 .