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[xsdob]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Again, I just don't care anymore.

Bioware doesn't give a ****, and no one else will because of people like the OP and anyone who agrees with them.

If people who hate the ending didn't act like this, maybe you'd have a better chance at getting what you want.

I actually agree.

I second that agreement.

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xsdob wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Again, I just don't care anymore.

Bioware doesn't give a ****, and no one else will because of people like the OP and anyone who agrees with them.

If people who hate the ending didn't act like this, maybe you'd have a better chance at getting what you want.

I actually agree.

I second that agreement.

thirded

[HenchxNarf]

HTTP 404 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Again, I just don't care anymore.

Bioware doesn't give a ****, and no one else will because of people like the OP and anyone who agrees with them.

If people who hate the ending didn't act like this, maybe you'd have a better chance at getting what you want.

I actually agree.

I second that agreement.

thirded

I believe there can be peace between both sides, I think it just takes understanding all around.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 17 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[xsdob]

Aozi wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...


Solving the problem of rebuilding and living without the relay network seems trivial compared to uniting the entire galaxy under a single banner, building the crucible in such a short period of time, and defeating an ancient monolithic race that couldn't be described as anyhting other then apocalyptic. Not to mention the pan-species team of the best engineers and scientists that have ever lived being assembled together in a system with a prothean archive full of deus-ex machines.

But sure i mean if you want to say "Nah they're all just gonna roll over and die" then I guess that's cool too.

Except that:

1. No one actually knows how the Mass Relays work, evne the Protheans were just cracking the technology in Ilos, and they only managed to build one relay. For the Crucible they had plans, they knew how to build it. For the relays they have nothing, they don't know what they're supposed to do.

2. Trivial? Are you even thinking what this means? The entire galactic economy is completley destroyed. Companies will die because they cna't contact their subdivisions, billions will lose their jobs leading to a galctic depression. Trading will completley die because travel times become far too long. Colonies will die out without new supplies, families will be broken. The entire galaxy will be thrown into an era of chaos and unrest, the  council has no way to council anything without the relay network, their seat of galctic government has been destroyed, majority of all military forces are out on earth making all the races vulnerable to say a Batarian attack or terrorist strikes. 

Even if the galactic superteam knows how to build relays, building a relay and then dragging another through the galaxy, then building a third, dragging it through the galaxy, building a fourth, dragging it through the galaxy and so on. Is going to take possibly hundreds of thousands of years until the network could even be rebuilt. This is assuming they know the Relay technology. If they don't know it could easily takes several thousand years before they can evne think about rebuilding the network. Most of the scientists will die without ever seeing their families again.

We also have thousands of starships orbiting earth. Carrying hundreds of thousands or even million of troops. Some of the unable to live on Earth or eat our food, overpopulation and lack of resources for these species may very well lead into several conflicts or even a full blown war. Especially f you have the Krogans unboard with their inherently violent and short tempered nature.

How the hell do you call this minor?

3. Full of deus-ex machinas? What? Since when? Where is this archive? Point me to the dialogue in game that says the Mars outpost is full of deus-ex machinas? From what I know the only thing they found was the crucible, nothing else. And throughout the entire game they kept sayin "We have no idea what this thing does" meaning they really didn't know what the hell they were building. The entire pan-team of scientists couldn't figure out what the Crucible does. And how would these deus ex machinas help us? We have no indication that there's anything that could help galactic travel in these archives.

First off, they find blueprints to a machine that can destroy the reapers through unexplained means and build it in mere days/weeks, all without somehow alerting the reapers that they are doing it. That is a deus ex machina if I ever heard of one.

Second, everyone gets caught up in this but they never seem to realize one thing. The homeworlds are all still intact, life still lives on those planets, enough to rebuild and start over in a few hundred years, hell, even a few colonies managed to escape the attacks, so they're fine to. The quarinas on the homeworld will work with the geth, or not depending on choice, and they will thrive, espically with the lifeships being still operationsal, and now with the resources neccisary to build more on rannoch.

Krogan will probably work on improving tuchanka, with it's new leadership being focused on restoring the krogans, and they'll recover quickly. The asari have a long time to rebuild, and will probably be the ones who remeber what the galaxy used to be like the most, same for the rachni. Turians and slaarians will also eventually rebuild, and the raoli were probably the luckiest out of them all, they sealed themselves off from the galaxy when the reapers showed up, and pretended to not have spacefaring technology. They'll probably become the dominate race in the new galatic order.

They'll recover and find ways to traverse the galaxy again, they might even develop a galatic community again, not as interconnected as before, but not completly isolated either. People think too much in the immediate, and don't spend enough time thinking in terms of entire civilization history. Shepard saves all current and future civilizations, they will be allowed to develop and grow in peace, without the inevitable fate of being wiped out by the reapers. He basically restores things to the natural order, allowing races to develop at their own pace, instead of the artifical one set by the reapers.

Edit: As an after thought, Shepard has also made sure that things like the krogan uplifting and rachni wars never happen again, that's also pretty good.

Modifié par xsdob, 17 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[HenchxNarf]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

[PiEman]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

And yet here you are, complaining about the people who didn't like the ending.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

Then you don't want change... no flaw in my logic.

[xsdob]

PiEman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

And yet here you are, complaining about the people who didn't like the ending.

...Telling people who did like the ending how to express themselves by not expressing their thought on the ending.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

PiEman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

And yet here you are, complaining about the people who didn't like the ending.

Exactly?  Why don't you Bioware defenders stop defending and (instead) say we're doing a good job?  Stop being so entitled.

[HenchxNarf]

PiEman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

And yet here you are, complaining about the people who didn't like the ending.

Actually, I'm not. I'm simply saying that we have no reason to complain about the endings and that we got what we wanted. Read what the above person said and read what I said again. He's implying that we're in the wrong, in a sense.

But you're so much better by wishing death and harm on people, right?

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 17 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[HenchxNarf]

xsdob wrote...

PiEman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

And yet here you are, complaining about the people who didn't like the ending.

...Telling people who did like the ending how to express themselves by not expressing their thought on the ending.

Pretty much.

Apparently, we're not allowed to say we like the ending because how we feel is less important than how they feel. Is that about right?

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 17 mars 2012 - 06:13 .

[PiEman]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

PiEman wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

There's a flaw in your logic. There are people who enjoyed and love the ending. We got what we wanted, therefore we have no reason to complain.

And yet here you are, complaining about the people who didn't like the ending.

Exactly?  Why don't you Bioware defenders stop defending and (instead) say we're doing a good job?  Stop being so entitled.

Of course, how silly of me.

To feel entitled to something that was repeatedly advertised for five years...ridiculous...

[Uchimura]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

Yes, because you should all be that rude and childish. Because they always know what's right. No, and no they don't. Some popular suggestions that get implemented are failures. I've also seen that same behavior keep developers off of the forums completely, shutting down the community and developer link.

[Darkeus]

Lol, okay then OP.

Modifié par Darkeus, 17 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[snakeboy86]

Did I love the way it ended? Absolutely can anyone say they did not see this ending coming from a mile away?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Uchimura wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Actually, persistent perstering seems to be the only way to get what they want. If everyone said: "Oh I loved the endings"... that's where you wouldn't get what you want.^^


Word to the wise... if you want change, don't tell the change-makers that the status quo is fine

Yes, because you should all be that rude and childish. Because they always know what's right. No, and no they don't. Some popular suggestions that get implemented are failures. I've also seen that same behavior keep developers off of the forums completely, shutting down the community and developer link.

Sure, and then there are those times... where a company screws up by making an ending full of plot holes and inconsistencies that's far below the standard they held for themselves... even in the mission/narrative structure of ME3 up to that point.

The ending's faults can't be denied, only accepted.  No game fails by having a plot that makes sense... whether it's happy or sad. 

[Zaydin]

Everyone has a different opinion on the endings. Opinions: Everyone has them. In hindsight, having had time to think over the endings, they aren't so bad, and I've seen worse. My main issue is that it comes out of no where, and it answers no questions about the fate of your squad or the various races.

[HenchxNarf]

snakeboy86 wrote...

Did I love the way it ended? Absolutely can anyone say they did not see this ending coming from a mile away?

I kind of did. I kind of knew I wasn't getting out of it alive, and I really wouldn't have it any other way.

[ratchet219]

Zorziban the Great wrote...

I have just beaten the game series that changed my whole outlook on videogaming. It took me 32 hours to complete Mass Effect 3 on Hardcore difficulty. That is significantly longer than it took me to beat ME1 and ME2. Before I finished the game I heard many bad things about the ending, and how it impacted the universe. However, I still kept playing becaue I wanted to see for myself. What I got was a suprise.

The ending was incredibly satisfying to me, and it wrapped up my favorite game series of all time. I cried, I laughed, and I cried some more throughout the whole emotional rollercoaster that was the single player story. My mind was blown when I realized the true purpose of the Reapers and the Citadel. My only complaints about the ending is that it makes replaying the previous games pointless because we already know what happens in the end. I also feel that any single player DLC starring Shepard that takes place BEFORE the ending of ME3 is pointless, because we already know what is going to happen.

However, with the way the game ended, there is still a possibility for it to continue, with or without shepard. Bioware, I hope you know that I love the universe and characters that you have created, and I hope you decide to continue with this universe and make many more games involving it. Thank you.

Not I... I hated the ending.... Made absolute no sense. Not to mention killed most of my team members along with my imported lvl30 chr from Mass Effect2.  So how can you like that?

And I tried so hard to make sure everyone was left alive destroying collectors...

It’s one thing if you never played Mass effect2 --and just playing Mass Efeect3 for the first time, not knowing anything about the past, characters, game plot etc. But if you actually follow along and imported characters it’s sucks.

Modifié par ratchet219, 17 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[Aozi]

I never denied that it was a Deus ex machina. I'm fully aware that it is, what I am denying is this;

a system with a prothean archive full of deus-ex machines.

Nothing in the game indicates that there's any more deus ex machinas in the Mars archives. Thus it's not FULL of deus ex machinas. There is only one deus ex machina.

Second, everyone gets caught up in this but they never seem to realize one thing. The homeworlds are all still intact, life still lives on those planets, enough to rebuild and start over in a few hundred years, hell, even a few colonies managed to escape the attacks, so they're fine to. The quarinas on the homeworld will work with the geth, or not depending on choice, and they will thrive, espically with the lifeships being still operationsal, and now with the resources neccisary to build more on rannoch.

You're not seeing the broader picture, yes they can build on their homeworlds. But to what extent? We already see several mining colonies and mines getitng precious minerls, we have species who have moved to dozns of systems. There's a big chance that their homeworlds are fairly mined out of resources and the only places they can really reliably go are osme of the nearby systems with FTL drives, which are also most likely mined dry. That's why they need far away mining colonies, you know the kinds we encounter multiple times in the game. 

They may be able to build, but eexo drives? Or anything utilizing eezo, with the elemnt possibly extremely limited in the nearby systems, they may be completley unable to fix anything using an eezo core or build any newer eezo ships. The colonies escape yes, but a lot of the colonies are dependant on supplies that are being shipped by the alliance/or other company/species. They depends on these for things like water purification or farming supplies. Without these rebuiding may be extremely difficult.

The Turians homeworld is completley wrrecked, so is the Asaris and Krogan, all suffering from massive reaper attacks. They will need massive amounts of supplies and manpower to rebuild, supplies especially may be difficult to come by. Several mining facilities are probabaly completley out of their local clusters, so are some of the biggest companies. 

Even if they can rebuild the level of technology will drop, the galaxy will enter a phase of technological dark age since the systems cannot properly supply and trade with each other. 

The quarians can probabaly survive in their lifeships yes, what about the turians? Asari? Salarians? Elcor? Krogan? Do you thnk they all have the means to provide for thousands of troops on their ships? Do you think all of these troops can find a suitable home and colonise it from SOL or nearby systems? 

Krogan will probably work on improving tuchanka, with it's new leadership being focused on restoring the krogans, and they'll recover quickly. The asari have a long time to rebuild, and will probably be the ones who remeber what the galaxy used to be like the most, same for the rachni. Turians and slaarians will also eventually rebuild, and the raoli were probably the luckiest out of them all, they sealed themselves off from the galaxy when the reapers showed up, and pretended to not have spacefaring technology. They'll probably become the dominate race in the new galatic order.

How will they recover quickly? Where do they get the supplies? Think about it for a second. If you invent FTL travel, wjhat are the first places you will look for new minerals and supplies? Nearby systems right? You won't immediatily start making colonies to mine things on the other side of the galaxy. All of tyhe galactic special have probabaly mined their nearby systems dry, the supplies they can get in may be extremely limited.

And spacefaring technology, everyone has that. Everyone knows how to build eezo cores and ships that use them. The issue is that THERE ARE NO RELAYS. Those relays were the very foundation of galactric travel. Everyone can travel space but evne with FTL speeds it could take years to travel the trip that one relay can shoot you throuh in seconds or minutes. 

Think about it like this, what if all of a sudden, America was completley unable to trade with any other country. They could only rely on themselves? This is essnetially the same thing. It's highly likely that the economies of all of the galactic species are very very tied in with galactic travel and thus relays.

They'll recover and find ways to traverse the galaxy again,

How? When? What if it takes them 500 years to build one relay? No one knows how they're built, but chances are that massive structures like that are not exactly easy to build. We have no idea. You can't just handwave it like "they'll just do it again" because we have no idea about that. Based on everything we know about the relays they're complicated structures that have been around for millions of years.

they might even develop a galatic community again, not as interconnected as before, but not completly isolated either.

How? How will they develop it? Where will everyone stranded on Earth live? What if no habitable planets are found nearby? Which is highly likely. There is no central government to keep the peace in the galaxy anymore, the council can't council. We may see pockets of independdent galaxy states going to war with each other due to resources since they are very limited to the nearby systems.

What about colonies with not much ship technology or not many ships? Most colonies probabaly don't employ poeple to make eezo engines, they'll be stranded o their planets which may have a very dwindling amount of resources.

People think too much in the immediate, and don't spend enough time thinking in terms of entire civilization history.

You're not thinking of anything at all. You're simply going "Yeah they'll rebuild" completley ignoring the quesiton of resources. 
You're saying they'll find ways to traverse the galaxy without providing any reasoning behind that.
You say they can rebuild the relay system without backing this up with anything.
Everything you seem to say is simply based on your own hope that "They'll make it somehow" while everytihng keeps saying that the entire galactic economy is destroyed and the galaxy will first be plunged to a massive depression as companies go under and galactic trad ceases to exist, then to a portion of chaos and unrest when the people realize that majority of the army is gone, the is no council and that the reaper invasion left a lot of the high end poitical seats untaken.

Shepard saves all current and future civilizations, they will be allowed to develop and grow in peace, without the inevitable fate of being wiped out by the reapers. He basically restores things to the natural order, allowing races to develop at their own pace, instead of the artifical one set by the reapers.

But all the races are already completely dependant on the technology reapers have given them. MAss effect is a prime example and it's used on pretty much everything, Mass Relays were used for galactic travel which allowed the establishment of colonies, mining resources in far away planets after local ones were diminished. The entire galactic economy revolves around ships traveling from point A to point B, without the relays this becomes impossible for long distances. 

Edit: As an after thought, Shepard has also made sure that things like the krogan uplifting and rachni wars never happen again, that's also pretty good.

Rachni uplifting, yes. Assuming that the queen keeps her word and that no new queen decides that the word shouldn't be given. Or that the next queen doesn't have other ideas and so on.

As for the Krogan, Shepard didn't ensure anything. Assuming you saved Wrex and cured the Genophage, he's on Earth and fairly happy. What about Krogans still on Tuchanka? It was obvious that Wrex was pretty much the only one keeping the peace among the men. Now he's gone, unable to return due to the lack of MAss relays, what if some new males try to raise a rebellion? We already see that a lot of Krogans are not fond of Wrex's ideas. why is it impossible for the Krogan to rebel against Wrex who's no longer there to keep order, and then increase their population and cause a new wave of Krogan rebellions?

Or better yet you can lie to the Krogan about curing the genophage, they'll trust you about that and are with you on Earth. Now stranded. Let's say they have some women there with them, don't you think they'll notice? Oh ****. I can't have babies. Natural conclusion; Shepard didn't know or lied, knowing the Krogan the first would be Shepard lied > Kill him. thne probabaly kill the Salarians and Turians. Wrex would probabaly help things, but he would also be pretty damn pissed, if Wrex is dead things are even worse.

Ther'es NOTHING to guarantee that the Krogan rebellions won't occur again, it's one Krogans promise to one human. Krogan are violent, rash and not very smart. Somethign can easily go wrong.

[Edje Edgar]

mmmu wrote...

I didn't feel like I was stolen of my choices, even if the ending was set in stone.

That's like saying you didnt feel like you got punched in the face, even if you broke your nose because someone deliberatly speedily connected his fist to it.

[HTTP 404]

When I die in real life, I would like God to give me a synopsis on how all my friends are doing. As well as tell me how the countries on Earth fared.

[Verlidiane]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


Sure, and then there are those times... where a company screws up by making an ending full of plot holes and inconsistencies that's far below the standard they held for themselves... even in the mission/narrative structure of ME3 up to that point.

The ending's faults can't be denied, only accepted.  No game fails by having a plot that makes sense... whether it's happy or sad. 

Well said Gogeta34.

Modifié par Verlidiane, 17 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[Rosey]

Alright - I'll throw in my hat. I enjoyed the ending. I enjoy the ability to pick it apart, to discuss and think about it. I like that it gives me something to do. In fact I'm on play through number 4. I also don't begrudge folks who don't like it the ability to express this. In fact I'm having more fun civilly discussing the pros and cons with some of the "i'm so broken by this" folks.

If it did nothing else, it gave people a reason to talk about it. And at the end of the day, that's a good thing. Look at how much attention your paying to it.