ADelusiveMan wrote...
That's basically what happened in Arrival, except it was the Batarians instead of humans. Reapers came anyway. It would only be a matter of time.
Why have you been trying to say something that isn't true?frostajulie wrote...
RocketManSR2 wrote...
"Congratulations, the galaxy is still doomed" is not a good way to end this trilogy. At all. Drama and loss I can accept. Hopelessness is something else entirely. That's what I felt watching the ending.
I have been trying for days to say exactly this and all that comes out is incoherant nerdrage.
This is it.
Thank you.
Uchimura wrote...
Doofe2012 wrote...
DA:O was one of your most successful games, and the fact that its lead designer no longer works for you is a clear foreshadowing of why you will go downhill once people are done with ME3.
That attitude is pretty rude. He says a few things and you put him above everyone who works at this company.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Why have you been trying to say something that isn't true?frostajulie wrote...
RocketManSR2 wrote...
"Congratulations, the galaxy is still doomed" is not a good way to end this trilogy. At all. Drama and loss I can accept. Hopelessness is something else entirely. That's what I felt watching the ending.
I have been trying for days to say exactly this and all that comes out is incoherant nerdrage.
This is it.
Thank you.
The galaxy is alive. FTL still exists. The groups that went to Earth can still get off it and get home, if in years/decades rather than hours/days. The relays can be rebuilt.
Life continues. The galaxy is not doomed, it is changed. As it was always going to be severly changed.
Redstar6 wrote...
When did it become a drama?ncknck wrote...
Good thing he was fired. Mass Effect is not an answer to his problems in life or lack of imagination. Its an immersive and epic drama story. Deal with it.
Modifié par Cadwallen, 17 mars 2012 - 04:57 .
Tazzmission wrote...
Redstar6 wrote...
When did it become a drama?ncknck wrote...
Good thing he was fired. Mass Effect is not an answer to his problems in life or lack of imagination. Its an immersive and epic drama story. Deal with it.
i hope your kidding
mass effect has always had some form of drama in it to say it hasnt is just not right at all
how is the virmire situation not dramatic? you had to make a choice of who to save......
heck how was me3 not dramtic? if anything the drama grew alot better in it
If every sort of explosion were the same. Fortunately, they're not, nor are they ever implied to be.chengthao wrote...
the exploding relays would counter the "everyone is alive" arguement
Besides the Protheans, who proved that it can be done? And the FTL com bouys, which are simply primitive mass relays?plus no one knows how to build relays, hence why no one has built any
Yes, part of what makes ME1 and 2 endings satisfying for me, is get that speech for of awesomeness about preparing for the reapers, and or tell TIM to go f*** himself.OdanUrr wrote...
Doofe2012 wrote...
http://blog.brentkno.../#disqus_thread
I read one recent blog post where the writer basically said "the ending was awesome because it was just like a movie" and I think she was missing the point. It is a game. Not a movie. And more specifically, its a role-playing game. The players are *part* of the game. Part of the process of building and experiencing the game, much more so than with most other forms of entertainment. Entitlement is really a right, for the gamer, because they have participated, actively, in the game itself. Again, I can't speak to the actual ending myself, because I have not
played it but in generally I'd say a Role-Playing Video Game Trilogy Ending should (try to) do the following:
1. Reward the player's choices throughout the series. The big stuff they did should be noted. They should *feel* like they had a unique impact on the world.
2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of ****ty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero. When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction. On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created. It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.
Pay attention here, Bioware. This man is everything that was right with the company. What he is saying is exactly how most of us players feel. DA:O was one of your most successful games, and the fact that its lead designer no longer works for you is a clear foreshadowing of why you will go downhill once people are done with ME3.
Why is it so difficult to understand, I wonder?
Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 17 mars 2012 - 04:24 .
Atakuma wrote...
He makes valid points, with the exception of the whole "entitlement is a right" part. People Have the right to be upset and voice their complaints, but they are not entitled to anything and that attitude shouldn't be encouraged.
Kastien wrote...
I think if this guy was involved in the Mass Effect story more, there would be fewer of us enraged and on the forums for 2 weeks straight, and more of us replaying the game over and over.
On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created. It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.
Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 mars 2012 - 05:07 .
Except the Protheans "copied" a relay. Without being able to use the others to study /as a reference, they wouldn't have been able to do it. And even if they could, the Protheans are far more advanced than any of the species. The Asari are, in Javik's own words, primitive compared to the Protheans.Dean_the_Young wrote...
If every sort of explosion were the same. Fortunately, they're not, nor are they ever implied to be.chengthao wrote...
the exploding relays would counter the "everyone is alive" arguementBesides the Protheans, who proved that it can be done? And the FTL com bouys, which are simply primitive mass relays?plus no one knows how to build relays, hence why no one has built any
You confuse current capability for potential. Not being able to do something now doesn't mean you can't do it later.
I never said it didnt have dramitic parts but no where is it an epic drama. This isnt hamlet.Tazzmission wrote...
Redstar6 wrote...
When did it become a drama?ncknck wrote...
Good thing he was fired. Mass Effect is not an answer to his problems in life or lack of imagination. Its an immersive and epic drama story. Deal with it.
i hope your kidding
mass effect has always had some form of drama in it to say it hasnt is just not right at all
how is the virmire situation not dramatic? you had to make a choice of who to save......
heck how was me3 not dramtic? if anything the drama grew alot better in it
Modifié par Redstar6, 17 mars 2012 - 05:11 .
I completely disagree with this, ending each video game with a happy ending is expected, boring, and cliche. I think it is great when games end with like the main character dying or you get defeated or something. It makes it way more original then a "HEY, YOU WIN!" sort of thing.Doofe2012 wrote...
2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of ****ty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero. When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction. On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created. It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.[/i]
Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 17 mars 2012 - 05:15 .
Dude I understand where your comming from but that would just be depressing as all get out. I would return a game instantly if I knew at the end I would get you "you still lose" ending.GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
I completely disagree with this, ending each video game with a happy ending is expected, boring, and cliche. I think it is great when games end with like the main character dying or you get defeated or something. It makes it way more original then a "HEY, YOU WIN!" sort of thing.Doofe2012 wrote...
2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of ****ty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero. When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction. On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created. It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.[/i]
I bought Halo Reach knowing full well what the fate of my spartan would be.Redstar6 wrote...
Dude I understand where your comming from but that would just be depressing as all get out. I would return a game instantly if I knew at the end I would get you "you still lose" ending.GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
I completely disagree with this, ending each video game with a happy ending is expected, boring, and cliche. I think it is great when games end with like the main character dying or you get defeated or something. It makes it way more original then a "HEY, YOU WIN!" sort of thing.Doofe2012 wrote...
2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of ****ty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero. When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction. On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created. It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.[/i]
Mole267 wrote...
Lead designer from Dragon Age 1 doesn't work for BioWare anymore?? Well, that explains why Dragon Age 2 sucked.
ME3 probably won't beat Skyrim for GOTY, but BioWare still did a great job on it.
But they didnt lose...GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
I bought Halo Reach knowing full well what the fate of my spartan would be.Redstar6 wrote...
Dude I understand where your comming from but that would just be depressing as all get out. I would return a game instantly if I knew at the end I would get you "you still lose" ending.GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
I completely disagree with this, ending each video game with a happy ending is expected, boring, and cliche. I think it is great when games end with like the main character dying or you get defeated or something. It makes it way more original then a "HEY, YOU WIN!" sort of thing.Doofe2012 wrote...
2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of ****ty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero. When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction. On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created. It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.[/i]
Redstar6 wrote...
But they didnt lose...GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
I bought Halo Reach knowing full well what the fate of my spartan would be.Redstar6 wrote...
Dude I understand where your comming from but that would just be depressing as all get out. I would return a game instantly if I knew at the end I would get you "you still lose" ending.GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
I completely disagree with this, ending each video game with a happy ending is expected, boring, and cliche. I think it is great when games end with like the main character dying or you get defeated or something. It makes it way more original then a "HEY, YOU WIN!" sort of thing.Doofe2012 wrote...
2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games... life in general is full of ****ty stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero. When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction. On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created. It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note.[/i]
Modifié par AdeptusAstartes, 17 mars 2012 - 05:31 .
simfamSP wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
Eh, he's overrated.Skelter192 wrote...
Too bad he's a former employee.
And underrated by some...
As for 'positive note,' I think what Brent is trying to say is that in a ending to a game, the protagonist needs to walk of with a feeling of accomplishment. Not necessarily having a 'disney' ending, but something to be proud of in the end.
Planescape: Torment is a perfect example as how a story can end in tragedy, but still have that "wow" factor when finishing. TNO is left to redeem himself for his past, but the everything you wanted to know was wrapped up.
Modifié par Wildhide, 17 mars 2012 - 05:37 .
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