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[Njald]

Don't offer a lame clarification cutscene and splashscreen DLC. Change the ending so it is Playable.
The current ending is only Watchable and Unenjoyable while doing so. More tripe from the same mouth isn't going to change that. You will still have made a horrible game for no reason at all.

[akenn312]

content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/04/bioware-unveils-mass-effect-3-extended-cut/1#.T32esY6Xfss

Hated the ending to BioWare intergalactic epic Mass Effect 3? A potential remedy is arriving this summer. The video game studio and publisher Electronic Arts have announced Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download that "will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes."It will be available this summer for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

[Versidious]

akenn312 wrote...

content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/04/bioware-unveils-mass-effect-3-extended-cut/1#.T32esY6Xfss

Hated the ending to BioWare intergalactic epic Mass Effect 3? A potential remedy is arriving this summer. The video game studio and publisher Electronic Arts have announced Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download that "will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes."It will be available this summer for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

Uh oh...  It's feeling a lot like Bioware will be losing me as a customer.   :-/

[Aridas]

http://investor.ea.c...eleaseID=662095

To quote... "Casey Hudson, Executive Producer of the Mass Effect series added, "We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player." "

I'm going to have to ask, "Even more context and clarity?" Really? That almost makes it sound like adequate was given, in the first place. Without more things like, at the least... Fixing the catalyst scene so it isn't an out of place abomination of a final scene, efforts will be nowhere close to as effective.

Edit: Technically, of course, this isn't completely ruled out by the statement.  I'm tired, though... and likely just going to disappear.  It's unlikely I'll be back even after the DLC is out, but I'll at least try it.

Modifié par Aridas, 05 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[firstarioch]

PLEASE we are not seeking clarification of this ending.
I love you series but this ending as it stands doesn't make sense and is not befitting this series.
Star child?? etc...It insulting ,please see how JM Straczynski fiinished Babylon5 .!!!



It is clever dialogue between Sheridan and Shadows and Vorlons.
No need to kill the universe as we know off.
We fans really want to see one of the endings a happy ending !!
Let our Shepard pull through in this monumental effort of unifying then galaxy don't just negate it !!1
It doesn't matter which ending you choose as CANON for the series .
Let us have going off into sunset moment with our Love interest !!! please .
You can have your destroy Universe as we know ending but give me a happy ending..
please don't speak about artistic integrity etc...Its so personal the series ,experiences...etc
people are tired of cryptic endings and twisted ones...We like clarity and simple ending...
you achieved it in ME1 it was lovely !!!
i felt amazing...saved Citadel and got my girl....
That is what we want ....
Look round you !! put the news on !!!misery, misery followed by more misery !!!wars , unemployment ...world in turmoil ...if I wanted misery I dont need to play this ...
It would not hurt you to give us light!! and Shepard pull through ending ...!!
Please Bioware !!!
I have loved you since the 90s .since Baldurs Gate.
Give me light and pull through ending !!!
let me speak to Harbringer !!! let it be Him controlling the vision on Citadel !!!
Give me Dialogue wheel !!please 
Who Repaers are ? who made them ?how many cycles !!??? answers to all these questions pleaase !!1
And consequences off all my decesions !!! please I want them to count at the end !!! what I have done, who I saved !!etc
you series is an amalgamation of all Sci Fi and best of it since Sci fi came about !!!
Please give us proper ending !!1 I want my squad to survive all of them !!! I have grown to love them !!! 
give me catharsis please !!!
so I feel I have accomplished something and Its good !! and it gives you good feeling !!not bitter ,confused emotion !!
Hear me please ...
I love what you do !! love your work !!but let me have my happy ending !!1
tHank you !!!

Modifié par firstarioch, 05 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[av196vad]

My issues with Mass Effect 3 follow:

- Why was the Catalyst the same kid back on Earth?

- Mass Relays destroyed. When destroyed, a Mass Relay releases the energy equivalent of a supernova. So Shepard essentially destroyed all galactic life. Makes zero sense.

- Why was Joker running from battle?

- How was my crew onboard the Normandy? Weren't they with me back on Earth?

- How is the Normandy damaged or nearly destroyed? I had 5000 EMS and I chose the destroy option. Everyone on Earth seemed to survive but the Normandy is mysteriously damaged by an unknown force.

- We are required to play multiplayer in order to get the best ending. In singleplayer the total assets add up to 3700. I thought the big selling point of ME3 was that everything can be achieved in SP alone?

- The effort on Tali's face or lack thereof. A badly photoshopped image? really? <_<

P.S. I liked the destroy ending but the plot holes listed above ruin the ending for me.

[LiarasShield]

Just give us a chance at a decent ending where shepard lives and she or he can rejoin their squadmates and be able to be with their love interest and see whats happens with the races we united together we don't need clarification on the damn ending just for it to be changed screwing a entire fanbase over artist integrity will be a bad downfall for you bioware and my goodness like others mentioned you did good with dragon 1 and knights of the old republic why screw us over here just WHY?

Modifié par LiarasShield, 05 avril 2012 - 02:41 .

[akenn312]

Versidious wrote...

akenn312 wrote...

content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/04/bioware-unveils-mass-effect-3-extended-cut/1#.T32esY6Xfss

Hated the ending to BioWare intergalactic epic Mass Effect 3? A potential remedy is arriving this summer. The video game studio and publisher Electronic Arts have announced Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download that "will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes."It will be available this summer for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

Uh oh...  It's feeling a lot like Bioware will be losing me as a customer.   :-/

I'm going to go to the postive side on this, they have'nt lost me yet because they did listen to the fan outcry and are trying to do somehitng about it with a free download. So they have a chance, but if the DLC sucks i'm out. But I think they can pull it off. After I think about it if they totally changed the ending to something else people would still look at them as screw ups that had to change an ending to a story.

[masterdark30]

Ok Suggestions:

If Indoc Theory is true and i hope it is then two things need to happen either Shephard wakes up perfectly normal and finally ready to finish the fight or Shephard wakes up fully Indoctrinated and events follow to show both outcomes, through gamplay and cutscenes.

If Shephard beats indoc. then have him/her get to the beam and fire the crucible.
However events must, no need, to depend on an EMS system that is not linked story-wise to multiplayer.
The whole EMS system is a good idea but needs to be well actually implemented into the game. Players need to see what they have done actually come to fruition, otherwise what was the point? They did all that to get two extra options to kill themselves? Seriously?

With a low EMS (and picking Destroy)


Shephard wakes up to find his companions and Hammer have retreated. With Harbingers Indoctrination a failure the Beam shuts down. Shephard needs to fall back and reqroup. Meanwhile cut to heavy losses in the space battle (maybe one of quarian admirals die) and cut again to the battle on board the citadel. Baileys C-sec (with the upgrades you did or didnt get them) against Cerberus and Reaper forces.
The Reapers might 'own' parts of the citadel but not all. C-sec and Cerberus are trying to get to the Council chamber to open the arms (new mysterious control room my eye, Saren used the Council chambers to open the arms). Maybe you can take control of Bailey or another figure during this squenece as you rush to open the arms.
There must be Quantum entanglement comms on the citadel so i'm sure they wouldnt be completely unaware of the increase in radio chatter going on outside.

Once the arms are open the crucible warps in with Hackett and a few other dreadnoghts though depending on EMS and how many ships you recruited they either have a safe run to the Citadel or get attacked by Reapers. In the worst case scenario Hacketts ship plunges into the side of the Crucible and it explodes.

...Meanwhile Shephard finds the remnant of Hammer under seige from Harbinger with low EMS he could arrive in time to witness a few squadmates being killed in the attack as they fight for survival.


Shephard meets up with the surviving squadmates, aswell as a few that were absent (i.e. holo-call, probably just your LI if you couldnt choose them for the run at the beam the first time, like Jack or Miranda), to hatch a new plan to take down Harbinger.
This next bit is more a dream since the first game but here goes. Its possible one of the squad noticed a door or port on Harbinger where he occasionally drops troops onto the battlefield. If someone could get inside then they could potential take him down from the inside.
The ideas shot down at first because everyone remembers Benezia and Saren and what being onboard a Reaper ship can do to you but Shephard volanteers having just beaten the effects of Indoctrination. Enter Sacrificial ending and boss fight whereby Shephard sacrifices himself to save his friends.

It could be that as Harbinger is the oldest reaper he can block the effects of the Crucible, hence protecting the other reapers from it aswell, with his destruction the Reapers lose that defence and either instantly die or their kinetic barriers drop allowing them to be ripped apart by the fleet.

With a high enough EMS Shephard could survive (with his/her cheeky smile from ME1). Then show the aftermath of the battle aswell as scenes of destroyed reapers on each of the homeworlds (something akin to how Star Wars: Return of the jedi ended with all the worlds in celebration). Also should be able to go and talk to the crew about it all like in ME2.

With a high EMS (picking Destroy)

Shephard wakes up to the sounds of his companions calling his name and urgently trying to free him/her from the rubble. Hammer has already reqrouped and is tyring its second attempt at the beam, with your absent squadmates. Shephard and companions are relatively unscathed by the blast but in searching for other survivers find Anderson dying, being crushed by an up-turned mako. (Insert heart felt moment).
With the beam active they make a break for it and end up on the citadel in one of the harvest centres with a battle raging between C-sec, reapers and cerberus. Everything plays out as above except Shephard is the one who opens the arms.
This time Harbinger tries to dock with the Crucible turning the built up energy in it combined with the citadel relay into a giant harvest beam (so yes like the death star just minus the planet blowing up, a more efficient way of harvesting planets).
Harbinger could reveal that he knew all about the Crucible and allowed its contruction because he knew he could use it to complete the cycle, all in that friendly mocking way that he does.
Shephard again finds a way inside Harbinger (this time maybe calls the normandy to pick him up and dock with him). Harbinger dies and falls back to earth with Shephard inside, crucible fires and reapers are destroyed by the fleet. (insert ending above).

Synthesis/ Control Ending


If Indoc. is true then i see these endings playing out fairly similarly as it means when Shephard wakes up he's Indoctrinated either way. Maybe you wake and instead of seeing your companions you just see husks and have to kill them. Though once you do one of them collapses on you and mutters shephard. The events could play out like the Destroy options though instead of healping and fighting with Hammer and everyone else you undermine, sabotage what they're trying to do. Though there should be a way of saying no to Harbinger on the bigger final desicions. Perhaps one of your squad or more importantly your LI notices what your doing and tries to snap you out of it and you get the option to either had the Crucible and everything over to the reapers or to Cerberus (or kill Tim and take control of Cerberus and the Reapers). Which could then lead to you having to kill your LI because they're standing in your way.

It would be alot of work to pull off i know but not impossible.


If Indoctrination Theory isnt true

Add more cutscenes showing the battle and theatres of war, scenes of our companions current and former fighting the good fight (i.e. Biotic artillery strike).

Incorporate our painstakingly gathered war assets Elcor soldiers, volus fighter/ bombers, Batarian fleet its so frustrating to not see the pay off.

Pick better 'images of hope' ones that actually make sense and dont get people thinking you've killed everyone and everything in your universe. Either take out the Mass Relay destruction and Normandy scene or give us some context. If you cant then bin it.

Get rid of the message at the end asking me to download more content (how dare you!). The last words in a franchise should not be 'Downloadable Content'. Its fine having it scrolling on the title screen but not at the very end of the game. It cheapens the franchise and you come off as desperate.

If that is indeed shephard taking a breath after the destroy option actually tell us it is. Have someone shouting 'I found him/her'.

I would of much prefered Garrus and Liara talking about Shephard on a moon somewhere (palavans moon maybe) than Grandpa stranger and his random boy wonder. It makes even more sense for Liara to say a few words as shes possibly got another 892 years left in her.

Shephard has one goal, defeating the reapers not solving the problem of organic life vs synthetic, he isnt Neo and this isnt the Matrix (Geth consensus be damned).

If you have to keep the child in then give him more than 14 lines of dialogue, keep all synthetic life out of it and keep it simple. For example, Control = control the reapers (show what happens properly, you become Tim maybe), Synthesis = you become an actual Reaper or something, they download your consciousness into a capital ship i dont know and Destroy = you blow them all up.

Holding out for Indoc. but we'll all have to see. Hopefully you use all of this to actually fix Mass Effect 3 and not just take our suggestions to help make a Mass Effect 4. There is a reason not many people bought DLC for Dragon Age 2 and that the expansion for that game was cancelled. I only hope you dont make the same mistake.

[mxfox408]

With the latest press release, you totally made this thread irrelevant. Ideas for the indoctrination theory and such are no longer a possibility

[ShepnTali]

Lol... thread was a sham from the get go.

[Robert-42]

I've already written in this thread. And now I wan't to thank you for the Extended Edition.
I know that creating the DLC will cost a huge amount of money, so I was surprised of the fact that this will for free.
I wanted you to know that the fans appreciate that gift.

I am one of those persons who hoped that the starchild and the "organics vs synthetics" stuff will be kicked off. But now we know this won't happen.

So my new whish is to clarify these IMHO most importand questions:
* Why the starchild hadn't helped Saren in MassEffect 1
* Why the Quarian/Geth peace didn't convinced the child
* What is that child?

An final talk with Harbinger would be also nice

[InsaneEric]

So this entire thread was a lie from the start. I'll never buy another Bioware game again, nor buy any of their dlc. I'm just going to forget Bioware ever existed.

[Craven1138]

InsaneEric wrote...

So this entire thread was a lie from the start. I'll never buy another Bioware game again, nor buy any of their dlc. I'm just going to forget Bioware ever existed.

I'm with you friend.  It was just another lie.

[StillOverrated]

So... Pointless thread was pointless?

[mrcanada]

I'm of the camp now that if you actually liked the ending and think it fits, you're an idiot.

Nothing about the ending makes any sense and if you are satisfied with all choice being taken out of your hand, nothing being explained to you at all including your enemies origin, a god child appearing out of thin air, how you even got to the Citadel and why Harbringer just let you enter etc. and no resolution to any of the characters and decisions you made in the trilogy. You just aren't a very smart person and would be satisfied playing with a ball and stick in your backyard.

Fans who actually pay attention and invest theirselves in a story and its characters deserve more.

[demonuswolfus]

So... this

Studio co-founder Ray Muzyka notes,"With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team's artistic vision for the end of this story arc."


was all you were planning all along? Seriously, you really need to get up and really truly listen to the folks who buy this, there was no artistic integrity in the final moments of the game, it just threw everyting we loved about the game out the window. Now you give us some DLC that has some "extra" stuff in it to supposedly appease the fans...I don't think anyone in the company understands or is willing to accept the plane simple fact that folks want a NEW ENDING. Some clarification is nice, but actually do the work and make a new ending. You all screwed up admit it...and yes this was my advice on how to fix something.

Also to clarify, this is not an attack on anyone, this is me stating somehting that the company has seemed to overlook and my advice to making the game better is to actually listen to fans and fix it. Don't just say your listening to what fans say and give us somehting that you think will appease folks.

also the team's artistic vision for the ending really does not need to be maintained...you just don't want to do the work and keep coming up with excuses to not make any changes. it cna be done, just emans you'd have to redo the entire disc, send it out as a remake and then cause the company won't do this for free, charge folks for it.

Again, not attacking a single soul with this, just stating what is apparent and obvious with some side advice...if I get banned for spekaing this, then folks at Bioware are really overly sensitive.

Also just so you know, this is not the DLC folks are looking for or expecting.

One last thing...what is this?  If it's fake, fine, cool, ok, but if it's real you owe it to all of us to flat out tell us.

http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
and this
http://pastebin.com/ifPPbeTp

Modifié par demonuswolfus, 05 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[Dan Gleebahls]

So no indoctrination theory eh? or any other ending changes?

Seems like they're sticking to their guns and adding a 5 minute cut-scene showing EDI and Joker making magic-babies. Joker and (other squad-mate) high-fiving each other for abandoning Shepard. Tali/Geth/EDI are all alive despite the end-all-biotic-synthetic-AI 'splosion, because they don't count. Meanwhile Earth generates magic-resources to sustain the millions stranded. They can all still communicate with each other using magic-prothean tech that wasn't affected by the 'splosion because that doesn't count either... did I miss anything?

Oh yeah, Shepard... that guy. He wakes up alongside (insert-love interest) in a non-descriptive indoor location talking about how great the future looks... fade to black. WIN!

My sarcasto-meter just BSOD'd.

Modifié par Dan Gleebahls, 05 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[DScherpf]

Some things I would have liked to see:

Different cutscenes based on your class. I was an adept but Shepard never used his abilities during cutscenes. He could have stopped Tali.

No customization in multiplayer?

More full-head helmets. Too many visors, too few helmets. I understand that you were probably trying to distinguish ME's look from other sci fi armor but it wouldn't hurt to have some more.

Mix and match pieces from special armor sets. You wouldn't even need to add more helmets if we could do this.

[Dan Gleebahls]

DScherpf wrote...

Some things I would have liked to see:

Different cutscenes based on your class. I was an adept but Shepard never used his abilities during cutscenes. He could have stopped Tali.

No customization in multiplayer?

More full-head helmets. Too many visors, too few helmets. I understand that you were probably trying to distinguish ME's look from other sci fi armor but it wouldn't hurt to have some more.

Mix and match pieces from special armor sets. You wouldn't even need to add more helmets if we could do this.

^ Give it up dude ^
You are talking to your echo at this point.

Modifié par Dan Gleebahls, 05 avril 2012 - 05:05 .

[akenn312]

mrcanada wrote...

I'm of the camp now that if you actually liked the ending and think it fits, you're an idiot.

Nothing about the ending makes any sense and if you are satisfied with all choice being taken out of your hand, nothing being explained to you at all including your enemies origin, a god child appearing out of thin air, how you even got to the Citadel and why Harbringer just let you enter etc. and no resolution to any of the characters and decisions you made in the trilogy. You just aren't a very smart person and would be satisfied playing with a ball and stick in your backyard.

Fans who actually pay attention and invest theirselves in a story and its characters deserve more.

Oh I am definatly in that camp. I'm still hoping Bioware can fix all this because I like Mass Effect but the people that act like they "Get it" are complete idiots. I can see someone saying I liked it but I don't care if a story has plot holes or not. Those people liking it makes sense but the ones trying to act like thay have this amazing level of forsight on a deeper meaning or are fighting for artistic integrity can all get run over by the Mako.

This all spells out Bioware didn't know how to end the story and threw in somehting silly because of their deadline

[Reindeer Ninja]

**** EA, **** Bioware for being indoctrinated by them and **** this bull**** thread.
BOYCOTT EA
BOYCOTT EA
BOYCOTT EA
BOYCOTT EA

[Jassu1979]

So, Jessica Merizan, what exactly did you take away from more than 240 pages of suggested changes? That all the ending needs in order to work is extended cut scenes?
How will a longer cinematic epilogue be able to fix plot holes, exactly?
How could it mend the fact that Shepard acts out of character by taking everything the Star CHild says at face value?
How can it make up for three color-coded doors leading to three color-coded cut scenes sharing roughly 90% of their content?

[StillOverrated]

Jassu1979 wrote...

So, Jessica Merizan, what exactly did you take away from more than 240 pages of suggested changes? That all the ending needs in order to work is extended cut scenes?
How will a longer cinematic epilogue be able to fix plot holes, exactly?
How could it mend the fact that Shepard acts out of character by taking everything the Star CHild says at face value?
How can it make up for three color-coded doors leading to three color-coded cut scenes sharing roughly 90% of their content?

Space Magic!