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[Chuvvy]

YOU WORKED FOR CERBERUS SHEPARD! CERBERUS! CERBERUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!

Pretty much that.

[WarGriffin]

Kaiden atleast has his command of the 1st Biotic commando unit and of course his longer service record with the alliance and Shepard to work with.

Garrus... Still needed some growing up to do by ME2... especailly after his depacle as ArchAngel
however by ME3

Kaidan and Garrus are easily the two most respectable members to pick for Specter status
-Hence why i love thier pre london talks the most... They talk to you as equals... not guys who need your opinion or presence to justify anything-

Ashley's rise through the ranks has always given a very bad implication given her attitude...

[Made Nightwing]

Let's be fair here. She's had three years in which we never had a clue what she was doing. BioWare should have taken the time to write dialogue options that explain some of the badass actions she took. Personally, I think she may have been involved in Alliance operation against the Batarians studying the Reapers, or the other Alliance badassery that you here about through the game.

At the end of the day, though, Udina says that she's 'incorruptible', thinking that it means she'll never turn her back on the Council. She demonstrates considerable skill and determination fighting off a Cerberus ambush, getting the Council to the evac zone. Then of course, provided your Shep is not a total idiot, she shoots Udina. Best moment in the game.

[jumpingkaede]

Zardoc wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Garrus is a surprisingly awful leader. He got my fire team killed. Good thing SPECTREs don't have to be good leaders?

Love him to death though. Brofist all day e'eryday on the Presidium while shooting bottles.

wat

Could've sworn I made him a fire team leader the first time I played the suicide mission because I assumed he would be able to lead them.  And he got someone killed.

Been awhile since I played though, I don't let him lead on any of my playthroughs anymore.

[xtorma]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ashely helps save the galaxy, Shepard helps save a colony of a third-rate power, and you're asking why she might deserve Spectre status?


Garrus is, of course, a quitter.

Garrus just doesn't like politics or bureaucracy. That's why he quit.


Also, the VS never really does anything that would qualify them as better than Garrus. In the end the VS gets Spectre status for political reasons, not because he/she is skilled.

Uh, Shepard got Spectre status for political reasons. Mainly because Udina and the Alliance had been begging for one for decades.

Shepard didn't become the first Human Spectre because the Council was like 'that's a badass there, we want him even if he's human.' Shepard got the nod because Anderson failed and the Alliance was playing politics.

Didn't shepard like win the alliance equivilent of the CMH?

[Richard STIHL]

ashley is hot

[Zardoc]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Garrus is a surprisingly awful leader. He got my fire team killed. Good thing SPECTREs don't have to be good leaders?

Love him to death though. Brofist all day e'eryday on the Presidium while shooting bottles.

wat

Could've sworn I made him a fire team leader the first time I played the suicide mission because I assumed he would be able to lead them.  And he got someone killed.

Been awhile since I played though, I don't let him lead on any of my playthroughs anymore.

Guess you didn't have his loyalty, considering he is one of 3 people who can successfully lead the fire teams? Or maybe you mean he killed your tech specialist, who was either not loyal or the wrong choice in the first place.

Modifié par Zardoc, 17 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[xtorma]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Garrus is a surprisingly awful leader. He got my fire team killed. Good thing SPECTREs don't have to be good leaders?

Love him to death though. Brofist all day e'eryday on the Presidium while shooting bottles.

wat

Could've sworn I made him a fire team leader the first time I played the suicide mission because I assumed he would be able to lead them.  And he got someone killed.

Been awhile since I played though, I don't let him lead on any of my playthroughs anymore.

If they are all loyal he brings them all through no problem.

[Spectre_Shepard]

udina wanted a puppet to control

[SuperVulcan]

Because Ashley is easier to manipulate than Garrus.

[GreyLord]

Then why not Liara. I'd say she's done far more for the galaxy then just about any of the rest of the crew, maybe even more than Shepard. Even if she wasn't the one who actually took down Saren or the collector base, she certainly was the one that helped figure out the clues, and was also the one that got in charge of the biggest info network in the galaxy. With that info at her fingertips, she probably knows MORE than the council itself!

[GothamLord]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Garrus is a surprisingly awful leader. He got my fire team killed. Good thing SPECTREs don't have to be good leaders?

Love him to death though. Brofist all day e'eryday on the Presidium while shooting bottles.

 

Looks like someone didnt do a loyalty mission.  Guess you arent a very good leader either.

[JMA22TB]

Remember, Udina says "She's incorruptible." Corrupt is a very relative term in politics, and incorruptible to him = unquestioning. Both Kaidan and Ashley's personality are extremely loyal Alliance all the way. He knew he could exploit that. She hadn't developed their sense of smell for bull**** yet.

[JMA22TB]

GothamLord wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Garrus is a surprisingly awful leader. He got my fire team killed. Good thing SPECTREs don't have to be good leaders?

Love him to death though. Brofist all day e'eryday on the Presidium while shooting bottles.

 

Looks like someone didnt do a loyalty mission.  Guess you arent a very good leader either.

What..How...

How do you do ME2 without doing Garrus' loyalty mission?!

That's almost as baffling as the ME3 ending

[Reidbynature]

Trakarg wrote...

Ingame it's implied that another human spectre is appointed to try and appease humanity while earth is being obliterated.

It's unlikely that the VS actually earned his/her spectre title.

I thought it was more that there were whispered accusations, though I don't think it unfair to speculate that it could be in part that Udina felt he needed someone with that kind of authority who he felt he could control or manipulate.

Though I don't get all the hate for Ashley.  Though I may not have had the chance to play ME1, I already gathered she wasn't keen on aliens, but for ME3 she seems to accept Liara and co. fine enough.  Admittedly there was one scene on the Normandy where she mentioned aliens that rubbed me the wrong way, still though at the end of the day she's just a fictional character that some don't like and there's not a lot to suggest that people like her, Vega or Jacob even are somehow incompetent.

[Tangster]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ashely helps save the galaxy, Shepard helps save a colony of a third-rate power, and you're asking why she might deserve Spectre status?


Garrus is, of course, a quitter.

Garrus just doesn't like politics or bureaucracy. That's why he quit.


Also, the VS never really does anything that would qualify them as better than Garrus. In the end the VS gets Spectre status for political reasons, not because he/she is skilled.

Uh, Shepard got Spectre status for political reasons. Mainly because Udina and the Alliance had been begging for one for decades.

Shepard didn't become the first Human Spectre because the Council was like 'that's a badass there, we want him even if he's human.' Shepard got the nod because Anderson failed and the Alliance was playing politics.

Talk to Nihlus in ME1. You were chosen because you had the most potential of any human.

[QwertyMusicMan]

Not quit C-Sec and start a vigilante group on Omega?

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Zardoc wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ashely helps save the galaxy, Shepard helps save a colony of a third-rate power, and you're asking why she might deserve Spectre status?


Garrus is, of course, a quitter.

Garrus just doesn't like politics or bureaucracy. That's why he quit.


Also, the VS never really does anything that would qualify them as better than Garrus. In the end the VS gets Spectre status for political reasons, not because he/she is extremely skilled.

I think Ashley/Kaiden make good Spectres, and I agree Garrus would be BETTER but for he just couldn't handle it after his squad was kiled and he went to Omega.  But, Garrus wouldn't have been recommended by Udina which was the big reason.

In fact, the renegade thing to say to Ashley'Kaiden is that it's all political, implying that he/she doesn't actually deserve to be a Spectre.

[Made Nightwing]

I just thought of something as well, she was under Anderson's wing for three years. Anderson was probably grooming and training her to be the next human Spectre, Udina just sped up the process.

[Scitenik]

In the first Mass Effect game, Garrus was too impulsive to really qualify to be in the Spectre's. Its only with Shepard's influence that he starts down the path that leads to Garrus being super awesome Garrus. I mean, he wouldn't really make a good one in the first game until after he goes through that first adventure with you.

But then, in ME2, seeing how the council pretty much ignores Shepard, I can see Garrus not really wanting any part of that. Instead, he goes off and does his own thing and plays vigilante, and does it extremely well until in the end, he couldn't finish the job without help. Shepard comes in and saves him, and things go from there.

From that point on, there's not really much time to be made a Spectre, and it wouldn't really amount to much. Once the suicide mission is over, all the surviving members of Shepard's squad know that time is running out. If Garrus had asked for it and pushed for it, saying "I want Spectre status" - he probably would have gotten it very easily. But he didn't. Instead he went off back to home to try and get his people ready.

I was kind of expecting Garrus to end up becoming a Spectre at the end of all of this, though. I figured once everything was said and done, he'd finally decide to do it, based on how Shepard has inspired him throughout the games. Obviously, that's not what ends up happening, which is a shame.

As far as Ashley/Kaiden goes, like people have said, it was obviously Udina making an attempt to win their loyalty by giving them a unique promotion. By giving them the same authority as Shepard, he kind of gives them the validation they might have felt they needed. Obviously, this backfires on him. Are they deserving of the status? Maybe not in the same way Shepard is. But obviously Spectres aren't always perfect - look at Nihlus and look at Saren.

Saren was obviously a bad choice, considering how racist HE was against humans. Nihlus seemed alright, but he sure made some stupid tactical errors - especially turning his back on Saren, who gave an obvious BS excuse as to why he was on Eden Prime.

Ashley/Kaiden both have the potential to be good Spectres, just not in the same way that Shepard has been. They have training and they have the drive, and if you play with them enough and talk to them enough, you can shape their personalities in positive or negative ways.

[turian_rage]

It may have something to do with Garrus abandoning C-Sec and going rogue in Omega. Plus, the fact that he was with Shepard while shepard was with Cerberus in 2. Ashley stayed faithful to the Alliance through the whole ordeal, and thus she gained political favor based on that.

[jumpingkaede]

JMA22TB wrote...

What..How...

How do you do ME2 without doing Garrus' loyalty mission?!

That's almost as baffling as the ME3 ending

Maybe I just picked the wrong hacker then.  I don't remember.   My first ME2 playthrough.

[rockman0]

Here's what I think:

Udina needed someone who would side with him when he tried to stage a coup. Knowing that Shepard would probably show up and that Ashley was already distrusting of Shepard, he picked her to be his puppet. You see how far things got in the end. Shepard either convinces Ashley that Udina is a traitor or ends up killing her. Ashley was even willing to kill Shepard.

Udina's plan might have worked, but he forgot who he was dealing with.

Ashley was just a puppet, but she was too blinded by rage to see it. That's why I dropped her as my LI.

[artjom94]

Slidell505 wrote...

YOU WORKED FOR CERBERUS SHEPARD! CERBERUS! CERBERUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!

Pretty much that.

That's why I killed her in me3.