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[Made Nightwing]

Lukertin wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Actually, Kaidan was the commanding officer of the 1st Special Operations Biotic Division. And again, they've both been under Anderson's wing for three years, just like Shepard. BioWare should have included more backstory for both of them.

Her bluntly questioning Shepard was probably due to people requesting that she and Kaidan actually have different personalities (not like Horizon). And it works. Kaidan cautiously questions, Ash jumps in and asks, maintains a healthy sense of paranoia. It works very well with the story.

Yea the writer's try to hint at their further experiences on Mars when Liara remarks that they have "become very resourceful".

But it certainly takes resources to get demolished by a robot you kill in three shots. Too bad it's the only example they give, I have the feeling they were going to include more but problems of presentation prevented that from happening.

The robot which is established has super advanced shields and top of the line hardware? That they survived getting a skull bashing is a testament to their toughness. Besides, their shots take down its shields, which is why Shepard doesn't get blown away by the damn thing.

[Wigglesizking]

Wattoes wrote...

Suparaddy wrote...

Because in my playthrough, she's carrying Shep's baby. I know this is true because Bioware has left it to me to use my imagination to determine how everything ends.

Touche.  Same in my story.

Told her I didn't need a condom, id pull out..... I lied mwahahhaha.

I spit out my water in laughter lol

[Confused-Shepard]

The VS as a Spectre is nothing but a loyal dog for whoever is currently running the Council
They would shoot their own friends and trust some shady politician over people they have known for years. You can't imagine how happy I was when I killed Kaidan. Like Tali said, "He was an idiot and he paid for it" (From ME 2 concerning Prazza). There should be no need for Charm or Intimidate
By comparison Grunt sacrifices his team and almost himself to save your Rachni loving ass

HERP A DERP! YER WURKIN FOR SIR-BERUS!

Giving the VS the Spectre status was a wholely undeserved title meant to placate humanity
Obviously Udina wasn't going to chopose someone smart but rather a loyal dog who can be led into a pit of molten lava and not complain. Woof Woof! I will shoot Shepard! 

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 17 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[Baihu1983]

The fact that the VS was pretty much always getting it handed to them it was clear that Udina simply wanted to use them.

[jkflipflopDAO]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Garrus is a surprisingly awful leader. He got my fire team killed. Good thing SPECTREs don't have to be good leaders?

Love him to death though. Brofist all day e'eryday on the Presidium while shooting bottles.

Uh, no he didn't. Garrus is one of the fire team leaders that always pulls through. Both times.

[staindgrey]

Zardoc wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Uh, Shepard got Spectre status for political reasons. Mainly because Udina and the Alliance had been begging for one for decades.

Shepard didn't become the first Human Spectre because the Council was like 'that's a badass there, we want him even if he's human.' Shepard got the nod because Anderson failed and the Alliance was playing politics.

Play ME1. You become a Spectre because you're the best humanity has to offer. It's explained in the friggin prologue.

Implying that he hasn't played ME1 is a little immature, don't you think?

You're both right. Shepard is pronounced "the best humanity has to offer". But he wouldn't have been picked if it weren't for the political games behind the scenes. This is also "explained in the friggin prologue". Remember Anderson explaining that Shepard's inclusion in the Spectres is another step to humanity getting a seat on the Council and getting political pull in galaxy-wide decisions?

[Confused-Shepard]

I like how they apologize to you on horizon and begin to trust you but later pull a gun on you
What? Udina's secretly your father? Are you having his babies?
Seriously, Tevos would shoot Udina on principle. I had EDI, should have Incinerated the bastard

[Confused-Shepard]

All Dead wrote...

Yep, Udina pulled a Palpatine with Ashley.

Oh man! If only I got the chance to chop Kaidan's legs off with my Omni-Blade, burn his skin off with incinerate and scream, "YOU WERE MY BORTHER KAIDAN! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING MASS TO THE EFFECT NOT DESTROY IT!!" :wub:

[Tazzmission]

threw on a tinfoil mini skirt and flaunted her assets to udina for a promotion before shepard was released from the brig

[HKR148]

I don't even think Garrus is comfortable with that kind of role. Sure he tries to create things on his own but based on what happened at Omega and him taking a surprisingly tame role as a 'anti-reaper adviser' I have a feeling that he's gotten to a point where he's more comfortable being under Shepard's command then trying to create 'big things'.

Which sort of relates to the dossier information you can read after the Shadow Broker arc in ME2, "unlikely to fully realize his potential under Shepard" -> bit too late for him at this point.

[Arppis]

Not being renegade and not failing all the time like Garrus has.

[HKR148]

Arppis wrote...

Not being renegade and not failing all the time like Garrus has.

Well failing wasn't a problem with Garrus from my perspective. His problem lies with his inability to recover from his failure unlike Shepard; he needed him/her to get him back to the right path.

[DarkRPG]

People forget Garrus is a damn good leader, his only flaw was trusting that Sidonis actually had a backbone. If it wasn't for the betrayal, Shepard wouldn't have had to pull him out of the fire.

[HKR148]

DarkRPG wrote...

People forget Garrus is a damn good leader, his only flaw was trusting that Sidonis actually had a backbone. If it wasn't for the betrayal, Shepard wouldn't have had to pull him out of the fire.

He then became obsessed over the mistake he has made, which indicates that while he maybe a good leader, there's always going to be a danger of him folding under pressure.

[chibilombax]

In one conversation Garrus says he tried to be a spectre. Yet no one wanted to take risks so it wasn't his thing. So he went to Omega.

[FoxShadowblade]

Garrus could have been a Spectre, but was declined for being "To awesome." So he ran off to Omega, and kicked ass just because he could.

Then FemShep showed up, headbump, Turian babies. He was then asked to join the Spectres but refused because he could already break all the rules, why make it official.


True story, saw it happen.

[rockman0]

xtorma wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

Here's what I think:

Udina needed someone who would side with him when he tried to stage a coup. Knowing that Shepard would probably show up and that Ashley was already distrusting of Shepard, he picked her to be his puppet. You see how far things got in the end. Shepard either convinces Ashley that Udina is a traitor or ends up killing her. Ashley was even willing to kill Shepard.

Udina's plan might have worked, but he forgot who he was dealing with.

Ashley was just a puppet, but she was too blinded by rage to see it. That's why I dropped her as my LI.

My shep dropped her when she started questioning his loyalty during the mars mission. You never do that as a soldier, it's unprofessional.

I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt because I actually liked the character from ME1. I guess I had a small crush on her character (not weird at all. <_<).

But the minute she was willing to kill Shepard after he'd stuck with her, I dropped her. I mean, Shepard's proven where his loyalties were when he stopped the Collector's from invading humans. He goes and turns himself in after, basically, saving humanity, but she still wants to give him crap about it? Yeah, Ashley. You're gonna die alone being like that.

I loved it how Shepard kept making her say "sir" after I starting romancing Liara. She always looked annoyed by that.

[zSeven]

Obviously because she had sex with Udina.

[PrinceLionheart]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ashely helps save the galaxy, Shepard helps save a colony of a third-rate power, and you're asking why she might deserve Spectre status?


Garrus is, of course, a quitter.

Seriously. I love Garrus, he's my bro, but the guy would rage quit the first second the Council stonewalls him.

Confused-Shepard wrote...

The VS as a Spectre is nothing but a loyal dog for whoever is currently running the Council
They would shoot their own friends and trust some shady politician over people they have known for years. 

 

I guess you must've missed the scene where they shoot Udina if you don't.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 18 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[Vigil_N7]

If you remember in ME1 Garrus actually admits that he was among a group of turians who were being considered for a spectre job, but his father was C-sec through and through and wanted Shepard to remain a C-sec man as well.

Does Ashley ever become a spectre in ME3? She was supposed to get a formal induction but that all went to hell after Udina betrayed the council, so I was never sure if she was officially a spectre or not.

[Rune-Chan]

I assumed it was done by Udina as a way of getting himself a body guard. He'd need a human, specifically a pro-human ally.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Made Nightwing wrote...

I just thought of something as well, she was under Anderson's wing for three years. Anderson was probably grooming and training her to be the next human Spectre, Udina just sped up the process.

Tha Alliance thought Shepard was dead. That leaves a space that needs to be filled. They needed another human Spectre. It makes sense that the VS becomes a Spectre even with Shepard confirmed alive on Horizon. Keep in mind that Shepard can also turn down Spectre reinstatement.

[Steelcan]

This was a necessary necro?