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[Sundance31us]

I'd like to think Garrus wouldn't have fallen for Udina's trap; he's also far more familiar with the Citadel than the VS.

[CynicalShep]

If Jondum Bau can become a spectre, anybody can become a spectre.

[Eterna]

Garrus didn't have a council member pulling strings for him.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

tbf I don't think Garrus would want to be one anyway. He cares too much about what his father thinks.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Not quitting her job.


There's more to it than being a good soldier.

[Eterna]

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf I don't think Garrus would want to be one anyway. He cares too much about what his father thinks.

At the end of his arc in ME1 he says he wants to re apply. 

[Iakus]

adam32867 wrote...

Garrus turned down an offer to become a specter pre me1.

Not exactly, he was considered for evaluation (one of like a thousand turian military candidates) and could have received extra training to up his odds of being seolected.  But turned it down because his father didn't approve of the Spectre program.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Eterna5 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf I don't think Garrus would want to be one anyway. He cares too much about what his father thinks.

At the end of his arc in ME1 he says he wants to re apply. 

Except he didn't, and he implies through-out the trilogy he cares about what his father thinks, and his father hates Spectres.

[nos_astra]

DinoSteve wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf I don't think Garrus would want to be one anyway. He cares too much about what his father thinks.

At the end of his arc in ME1 he says he wants to re apply.

Except he didn't, and he implies through-out the trilogy he cares about what his father thinks, and his father hates Spectres.

If you renegade him in ME1 he goes back to Spectre training ... and quits because too much red tape. Hilarious, isn't it? 

Modifié par klarabella, 26 janvier 2013 - 08:40 .

[78stonewobble]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...
Ashley served in the military under the government, Garrus went off and played vigilante. They both did these things for 2 years. Ash got promoted because she stayed "in the system".

Yeh, thats my interpretation as well.

[The Night Mammoth]

klarabella wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf I don't think Garrus would want to be one anyway. He cares too much about what his father thinks.

At the end of his arc in ME1 he says he wants to re apply.

Except he didn't, and he implies through-out the trilogy he cares about what his father thinks, and his father hates Spectres.

If you renegade him in ME1 he goes back to Spectre training ... and quits because too much red tape. Hilarious, isn't it? 

I don't get it. 

When offered a chance to completely free himself of the constraints he continually professes to despise, he rejects it. 

Who writes this stuff? 

[JBPBRC]

Ashley being selected was simply a political ploy by Udina, nothing more. Hell, in my playthrough all she ever did was get in danger when she wasn't being ignored all by her lonesome (because Wrex and Garrus were Team Badass) down in the Normandy's basement.

[nos_astra]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

klarabella wrote...
If you renegade him in ME1 he goes back to Spectre training ... and quits because too much red tape. Hilarious, isn't it? 

I don't get it. 

When offered a chance to completely free himself of the constraints he continually professes to despise, he rejects it. 

Who writes this stuff? 

Well, technically it could be the basis for an intriguing character. A guy who's too stubborn and hot-headed to be a good follower and too stubborn and hot-headed to be a good leader. Always looking for his place in the galaxy and never quite finding it. Trying to please his father. Trying to please Shepard. Never knowing what to do with himself. Sounds like a good concept to me.

However, Garrus was the victim of his own popularity that demanded he'd be stereotypically badass and inoffensive. Flaws go unnoticed and he ends up being honored for riding Shepard's coattails. 

Modifié par klarabella, 26 janvier 2013 - 01:19 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Because Ashley and Kaidan too I guess, didn't go missing (no one knew he was Archangel so no one could accuse him of being a vigilante)

Or maybe they offered him a position but he asked them to wait a bit since he was in the middle of some calibrations.

Modifié par Ranger Jack Walker, 26 janvier 2013 - 04:06 .

[TheCrazyHobo]

Specters are nothing compared to the mighty N7 operative. One N7 operative is worth almost double the entirety of all the Specters in the known Galaxy combined!

[Mouton_Alpha]

Garrus is hotter than ME3 Ashley, so the argument of exploitation does not work.

[Steelcan]

I have a theory. My guess is that her new appearance, make up and boob job, and rapid rise on rank all the way to SPECTRE were not unrelated.

[Uncle Jo]

Bone to knibble off for the humans, considering what was happening on Earth... Under normal circumstances, Ashley (or any other human at this time) would never get this status.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 26 janvier 2013 - 04:44 .

[fiendishchicken]

Bone for humans, as well as to be an unwitting pawn in Udina's coup. The reason it was the VS is to manipulate their feelings of confusion and turn it against Shepard for... reasons.

[Uncle Jo]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Bone for humans, as well as to be an unwitting pawn in Udina's coup. The reason it was the VS is to manipulate their feelings of confusion and turn it against Shepard for... reasons.

Please don't remind me of the Derperus coup...

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Geomon19 wrote...

I love the smooth transition from ME1 Ash's I don't trust aliens, especially the council to ME3 Ash's It's an honor to be a Spectre and protect the council.

Well, yeah, it's kind of a big deal. Even Shepard wasn't asked to directly protect the Council. Ashley wasn't even completely healed from her wounds she sustained on Mars when Cerberus attacked the Citadel. Despite all that, I think her problems with aliens all goes back to what happened to her grandfather. That sort of thing stays with a person until they're able to let it go, and I think she finally did that in ME3. She seems more mature in ME3 than the previous games.

Anyway, I wish Ashley becoming a Spectre was more important to the story outside of the Citadel coup. She may not be Shepard's equal in combat skill, but she is his equal in rank, both Alliance and Council. We see her leadership skills on Mars when she suggests using the Cerberus radios against them and again during the coup.

She should have been treated as second-in-command. As the second highest ranking officier on the Normandy, if something were to happen to Shepard, Ashley would be the one to assume command of the ship. Instead, she just sits in Samara's old room all the time isolated from the rest of the crew. Shouldn't she be communicating with the Citadel Council while aboard Normandy? Something would have been better than nothing. 

[Obadiah]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Bone for humans, as well as to be an unwitting pawn in Udina's coup. The reason it was the VS is to manipulate their feelings of confusion and turn it against Shepard for... reasons.

The VSes seemed pretty capable. I would have liked some more info on their service record before making a determination on either of them becoming a Spectre .

[fiendishchicken]

Obadiah wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Bone for humans, as well as to be an unwitting pawn in Udina's coup. The reason it was the VS is to manipulate their feelings of confusion and turn it against Shepard for... reasons.

The VSes seemed pretty capable. I would have liked some more info on their service record before making a determination on either of them becoming a Spectre .

Kaidan perhaps might make some kind of list.

Ashley, the only reason anybody knows her is because she was riding on Shepard's achievements before.

I believe however that neither were qualified in any way for the job. It was as I said. A sympathy bone for humanity because of Earth on the council's part, and an unwitting pawn for Udina.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Bone for humans, as well as to be an unwitting pawn in Udina's coup. The reason it was the VS is to manipulate their feelings of confusion and turn it against Shepard for... reasons.

The VSes seemed pretty capable. I would have liked some more info on their service record before making a determination on either of them becoming a Spectre .

Kaidan perhaps might make some kind of list.

Ashley, the only reason anybody knows her is because she was riding on Shepard's achievements before.

I believe however that neither were qualified in any way for the job. It was as I said. A sympathy bone for humanity because of Earth on the council's part, and an unwitting pawn for Udina.

And the Council making Shepard a Spectre wasn't them throwing humanity a bone? I would argue that it is even more so in Shepard's case.