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[fiendishchicken]

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

[JBPBRC]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

Its not even that. She got it simply for standing around during ME1 and happening to be on the same ship as Shepard when he was hunting down Saren.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

Ashley survived Eden Prime and helped Shepard stop Sovereign and it's minions. After the first human Spectre died, Udina needed a replacement. It's very likely that she was chosen to become the new human Spectre in 2183.

She was promoted to Special Operations and placed under Anderson's wing for training and experience. I imagine that if the Reapers hadn't attacked, she wouldn't have been made a Spectre so soon. She was in the hospital when the offer was made. The decision was made at the time out of desperation, no doubt about that. But I think the decision would have been made regardless at some point.

[DoodlyDangus]

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

Its not even that. She got it simply for standing around during ME1 and happening to be on the same ship as Shepard when he was hunting down Saren.

And what was Garrus, chopped liver? Garrus was there for me too.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

Its not even that. She got it simply for standing around during ME1 and happening to be on the same ship as Shepard when he was hunting down Saren.

And what was Garrus, chopped liver? Garrus was there for me too.

He was training to be a Spectre, but then he left and went to Omega.

[DoodlyDangus]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

Its not even that. She got it simply for standing around during ME1 and happening to be on the same ship as Shepard when he was hunting down Saren.

And what was Garrus, chopped liver? Garrus was there for me too.

He was training to be a Spectre, but then he left and went to Omega.

I know. I was just saying that Garrus was on the ship too. I just feel like the poster should have mentioned that variable as well.

[JBPBRC]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

Its not even that. She got it simply for standing around during ME1 and happening to be on the same ship as Shepard when he was hunting down Saren.

And what was Garrus, chopped liver? Garrus was there for me too.

He was training to be a Spectre, but then he left and went to Omega.

I know. I was just saying that Garrus was on the ship too. I just feel like the poster should have mentioned that variable as well.

Yeah, but I actually used Garrus. He, Wrex and Shepard were Team Badass back in the ME1 days. Hence the reference to Ashley standing around doing nothing.

[Pheonix57]

I've been arguing this for a while. In my opinion, this is the order most deserving of Spectreship:
1) Garrus
In Shepard's absence he took it upon himself to bring justice to Omega, a place that needs it dearly. He's morally good, and has proven his initiative to actually make the galaxy a better place.

2) Ashley
Is a traditional soldier and the sole survivor of her mission on Eden Prime, she held her own against the geth. (And I would argue that her racism hinders her, but she seems to be more open minded in the last two games)

3) Kaidan
He's a talented biotic, but we haven't seen anything that really compels him to be a Spectre.

[DoodlyDangus]

JBPBRC wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Look at what Shepard has done to deserve it though. N7 Marine, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan under his belt, and all the stuff that Anderson and Nihlus say about Shepard. Nihlus is a Spectre, one of the best, and he's endorsing Shepard.

Ashley gets it because she was smart enough to take advantage of the fact that she slept with him once.

Its not even that. She got it simply for standing around during ME1 and happening to be on the same ship as Shepard when he was hunting down Saren.

And what was Garrus, chopped liver? Garrus was there for me too.

He was training to be a Spectre, but then he left and went to Omega.

I know. I was just saying that Garrus was on the ship too. I just feel like the poster should have mentioned that variable as well.

Yeah, but I actually used Garrus. He, Wrex and Shepard were Team Badass back in the ME1 days. Hence the reference to Ashley standing around doing nothing.

Okay, that's a good point. I always took Garrus and Tali.

[Jake Boone]

Pheonix57 wrote...

I've been arguing this for a while. In my opinion, this is the order most deserving of Spectreship:
1) Garrus
In Shepard's absence he took it upon himself to bring justice to Omega, a place that needs it dearly. He's morally good, and has proven his initiative to actually make the galaxy a better place.

2) Ashley
Is a traditional soldier and the sole survivor of her mission on Eden Prime, she held her own against the geth. (And I would argue that her racism hinders her, but she seems to be more open minded in the last two games)

3) Kaidan
He's a talented biotic, but we haven't seen anything that really compels him to be a Spectre.

Racism doesn't disqualifiy you from being chosen as a spectre. Saren was one of the best (before he got indoctrinated) and he was pretty racist.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Pheonix57 wrote...

I've been arguing this for a while. In my opinion, this is the order most deserving of Spectreship:
1) Garrus
In Shepard's absence he took it upon himself to bring justice to Omega, a place that needs it dearly. He's morally good, and has proven his initiative to actually make the galaxy a better place.

Instead of becoming a Spectre and actually doing some good, he ran off to Omega and got his entire team killed. Garrus is a poor leader because he lets his feelings get in the way of his better judgement. He admits this in ME2.

[JBPBRC]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

I've been arguing this for a while. In my opinion, this is the order most deserving of Spectreship:
1) Garrus
In Shepard's absence he took it upon himself to bring justice to Omega, a place that needs it dearly. He's morally good, and has proven his initiative to actually make the galaxy a better place.

Instead of becoming a Spectre and actually doing some good, he ran off to Omega and got his entire team killed. Garrus is a poor leader because he lets his feelings get in the way of his better judgement. He admits this in ME2.

Shepard can also get his entire team killed. Just throwing that out there.

Anyway, Garrus is actually an excellent leader. Even the Shadow Broker (the actually useful Yahg one who knew what he was doing most of the time) acknowledges as such, noting that the only thing really holding Garrus back was Shepard himself.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

JBPBRC wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

I've been arguing this for a while. In my opinion, this is the order most deserving of Spectreship:
1) Garrus
In Shepard's absence he took it upon himself to bring justice to Omega, a place that needs it dearly. He's morally good, and has proven his initiative to actually make the galaxy a better place.

Instead of becoming a Spectre and actually doing some good, he ran off to Omega and got his entire team killed. Garrus is a poor leader because he lets his feelings get in the way of his better judgement. He admits this in ME2.

Shepard can also get his entire team killed. Just throwing that out there.

Anyway, Garrus is actually an excellent leader. Even the Shadow Broker (the actually useful Yahg one who knew what he was doing most of the time) acknowledges as such, noting that the only thing really holding Garrus back was Shepard himself.

Yeah, because the Shadow Broker is such a great judge of character.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 26 janvier 2013 - 06:43 .

[JBPBRC]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

I've been arguing this for a while. In my opinion, this is the order most deserving of Spectreship:
1) Garrus
In Shepard's absence he took it upon himself to bring justice to Omega, a place that needs it dearly. He's morally good, and has proven his initiative to actually make the galaxy a better place.

Instead of becoming a Spectre and actually doing some good, he ran off to Omega and got his entire team killed. Garrus is a poor leader because he lets his feelings get in the way of his better judgement. He admits this in ME2.

Shepard can also get his entire team killed. Just throwing that out there.

Anyway, Garrus is actually an excellent leader. Even the Shadow Broker (the actually useful Yahg one who knew what he was doing most of the time) acknowledges as such, noting that the only thing really holding Garrus back was Shepard himself.

Yeah, because the Shadow Broker is such a great judge of character.

It wasn't just him. It was files and dossiers assembled and assessed by who knows how many agents. Could've been just him, or half his network. We'll never know.

[TurianRebel212]

It was all politics and sabotage by Udina and Cerberus. The VS didn't earn their Spectre rank. As the question is posed to Garrus being a spectre, I am a huge fan of Garrus, but I don't think his service record is worthy of Spectre status. He was in the military, all turians are, a great c-sec officer, and a vigilante on Omega. Shep is a war hero, N7 Spec ops Marine, Highly Decorated war hero. Saren was blackwatch spec ops and was a Spectre for over 20 years. Spectres are a lot of the time, Spec ops from their respected military, STG, N7, Blackwatch, Asari Commandos and so on. Garrus is awesome and an expert sniper and tactical operator, but not Spectre quality. Sorry

[JBPBRC]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

It was all politics and sabotage by Udina and Cerberus. The VS didn't earn their Spectre rank. As the question is posed to Garrus being a spectre, I am a huge fan of Garrus, but I don't think his service record is worthy of Spectre status. He was in the military, all turians are, a great c-sec officer, and a vigilante on Omega. Shep is a war hero, N7 Spec ops Marine, Highly Decorated war hero. Saren was blackwatch spec ops and was a Spectre for over 20 years. Spectres are a lot of the time, Spec ops from their respected military, STG, N7, Blackwatch, Asari Commandos and so on. Garrus is awesome and an expert sniper and tactical operator, but not Spectre quality. Sorry

If Jondum Bao (or however its spelled) can be a Spectre, Garrus can be a Spectre.

[TurianRebel212]

JBPBRC wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

It was all politics and sabotage by Udina and Cerberus. The VS didn't earn their Spectre rank. As the question is posed to Garrus being a spectre, I am a huge fan of Garrus, but I don't think his service record is worthy of Spectre status. He was in the military, all turians are, a great c-sec officer, and a vigilante on Omega. Shep is a war hero, N7 Spec ops Marine, Highly Decorated war hero. Saren was blackwatch spec ops and was a Spectre for over 20 years. Spectres are a lot of the time, Spec ops from their respected military, STG, N7, Blackwatch, Asari Commandos and so on. Garrus is awesome and an expert sniper and tactical operator, but not Spectre quality. Sorry

If Jondum Bao (or however its spelled) can be a Spectre, Garrus can be a Spectre.

 

Bao is an STG operatative. Spectre's usually recruit the elite from the elite. Garrus should join black watch, then he would have enough cred. Hell, if it were up to me I would appoint Garrus to Spectre status, but the council probably wouldn't. I think Garrus is so boss that he could probably pass N7 training. 

Modifié par TurianRebel212, 26 janvier 2013 - 06:57 .

[Belisarius25]

Jake Boone wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

I've been arguing this for a while. In my opinion, this is the order most deserving of Spectreship:
1) Garrus
In Shepard's absence he took it upon himself to bring justice to Omega, a place that needs it dearly. He's morally good, and has proven his initiative to actually make the galaxy a better place.

2) Ashley
Is a traditional soldier and the sole survivor of her mission on Eden Prime, she held her own against the geth. (And I would argue that her racism hinders her, but she seems to be more open minded in the last two games)

3) Kaidan
He's a talented biotic, but we haven't seen anything that really compels him to be a Spectre.

Racism doesn't disqualifiy you from being chosen as a spectre. Saren was one of the best (before he got indoctrinated) and he was pretty racist.

Not to mention that Ashley's mistrust of aliens is very different than Saren's outright hatred of humans (good work there, Council), and a big part of her character arc (that people either ignore or don't bother going through) is that after working with different races (the aliens on the Normandy, Virmire) she starts getting past that.

The "character [x] did nothing in ME1/2 and just sat around" argument doesn't make sense though. In your personal game you might only use certain characters but the game universe treats it as if every character was involved assuming they were recruited - it's why Wrex will talk to you about Noveria when he introduces the Rachni mission as if he was there, even if he wasn't. It wouldn't make sense to rely on three man squads to do everything, anyway.

[Belisarius25]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

It was all politics and sabotage by Udina and Cerberus. The VS didn't earn their Spectre rank. As the question is posed to Garrus being a spectre, I am a huge fan of Garrus, but I don't think his service record is worthy of Spectre status. He was in the military, all turians are, a great c-sec officer, and a vigilante on Omega. Shep is a war hero, N7 Spec ops Marine, Highly Decorated war hero. Saren was blackwatch spec ops and was a Spectre for over 20 years. Spectres are a lot of the time, Spec ops from their respected military, STG, N7, Blackwatch, Asari Commandos and so on. Garrus is awesome and an expert sniper and tactical operator, but not Spectre quality. Sorry

If Jondum Bao (or however its spelled) can be a Spectre, Garrus can be a Spectre.

 

Bao is an STG operatative. Spectre's usually recruit the elite from the elite. Garrus should join black watch, then he would have enough cred. Hell, if it were up to me I would appoint Garrus to Spectre status, but the council probably wouldn't. I think Garrus is so boss that he could probably pass N7 training. 

I'm actually glad they didn't make Garrus a Spectre in the 'current' trilogy, they went a little over the top with making him Shepard's BFF/best sniper ever/top Turian advisor, etc. Going into ME2 I was hoping they might put him back into CSec or a Spectre and go in a different direction but I think they decided "people like Garrus so we'll throw stuff his way".

Modifié par Belisarius25, 26 janvier 2013 - 07:03 .

[SlottsMachine]

I love all the snark comments about Ashley's appearance that are coming from members of the Miranda crew.

Modifié par General Slotts, 26 janvier 2013 - 07:07 .

[fiendishchicken]

I've argued this before. Among all the squadmates in ME, Ashley ranks near the bottom in 'Spectre worthiness', and Kaidan is in the middle. I won't lie, I'm very biased against Ashley. I hate her guts. It's not a matter of loving to hate her. I genuinely think she's slime.

Ashley - A disciplined, well-trained infantryman. As a member of the US Army myself, I can't understate the value of the standard rifleman. Well trained, well-equipped, and disciplined. That said, she has no distinguishing background to her service - her family's blacklisting saw to that. What special training does she have? Minus being an Infantry NCO, it doesn't sound like much. Special Forces? No. Airborne? No. Anything? No. She tries her hardest sure, but her demeanor, political and personal beliefs, and tendency to be 'OMG alliance FTW!' make her a very low priority for Spectre. Why would I want her as that, when I don't even want her on my squad? If my Shepard had it his way, she'd get a one way transfer to Earth, with a write-up telling that she'd make an excellent body-guard for some politician or admiral.

[JBPBRC]

fiendishchicken wrote...

If my Shepard had it his way, she'd get a one way transfer to Earth, with a write-up telling that she'd make an excellent body-guard for some politician or admiral.

And then the Derperus coup happens with Udina. Zing! 

[fiendishchicken]

General Slotts wrote...

I love all the snark comments about Ashley's appearance that are coming from members of the Miranda crew.

I don't snark on her appearance. I don't have too. I let her appearance speak for itself.

I'm more concerned with her personality and her usefullness. She'd be much more valuable on a planet training someone.

[fiendishchicken]

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

If my Shepard had it his way, she'd get a one way transfer to Earth, with a write-up telling that she'd make an excellent body-guard for some politician or admiral.

And then the Derperus coup happens with Udina. Zing! 

Well, I'm an admirer of Cerberus and TIM, and honestly, I don't mind Udina. I don't like how he sucks up to the Council all the time in ME1, but he does have valid points.

If Cerberus wasn't indoctrinated, my Shepard would have helped them.

[JBPBRC]

fiendishchicken wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

If my Shepard had it his way, she'd get a one way transfer to Earth, with a write-up telling that she'd make an excellent body-guard for some politician or admiral.

And then the Derperus coup happens with Udina. Zing! 

Well, I'm an admirer of Cerberus and TIM, and honestly, I don't mind Udina. I don't like how he sucks up to the Council all the time in ME1, but he does have valid points.

If Cerberus wasn't indoctrinated, my Shepard would have helped them.

Eh, was talking more about Ashley being the bodyguard for the Council. Coincidentally failing at that as well.