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[Erghiez06]

I've seen various forums discussing this question but the ones I have found were demo discussions.

I've only recently unlocked the Widow and got to questioning its effectiveness versus the Black Widow. I've seen gameplay videos and it seems to be a fair conclusion that the Black Widow is an over all better Sniper Rifle, but is there anything to be said about the Widow in and of itself?

Personally, I have forsaken all other Sniper Rifles in favor of the Widow (those that I've unlocked) and I use a Salarian Infiltrator.

Thoughts?

[wilzoon]

I reckon the black widow is rarer than the widow, hence it should be better. Though this is subjective assumption

Modifié par wilzoon, 17 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[SkyShatterz]

Black Widow

[Tangster]

I prefer the M-98 on silver, the black widow on gold.

Actually, that was a lie, I prefer the Mantis on gold.

Modifié par Tangster, 17 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Erghiez06]

Tangster wrote...

I prefer the M-98 on silver, the black widow on gold.

Actually, that was a lie, I prefer the Mantis on gold.

I actually find myself confused... Why the Mantis?

[Ardwan]

I believe one of the benefits of the Black Widow is the multiple shots.
One high damage shot can result in overkill, most apparent on weak targets, whereas having multiple slightly lower damage shots would let you still drop the weaker targets with one shot and do so at a quicker rate.

There is also the issue with damage bleedthrough on Gold. Whereas on Bronze/Silver one high damage shot against shields will also remove some health, on Gold you can only damage one layer at a time.

So with the Widow you would likely remove the shields with your shot, then by the time you reload even if only 1% of the enemy shield has recovered, your next shot will still only damage the shields.
Whereas the multiple shots of the Black Widow will allow you to drop the shields and then damage the health.

Modifié par Ardwan, 17 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[Aeduz]

Black Widow is better providing you are accurate enough to land all 3 shots. If you need to take your time and aim, then it's definitely not the weapon for you, the Widow or Mantis would be much better.

[Fortack]

Black Widow is the best sniper rifle without question (if you're lucky enough to ever get it with those BS random unlocks

You can fire 2-3 shots while Cloaked. This means you can body-shot 3 normal goons on Silver (is very easy) and 2 (maybe 3 if you can aim fast and accurate enough) goons in the head on Gold (with mods and ammo upgrades).

The Black Widow is also better against elites who cannot be one-shot with other sniper rifles, it's more forgiving should you miss a shot, and best of all, you are basically firing 3 shots instead of 1 in nearly the same time (Cloak > shoot > reload > Cloak etc) and although a Widow shot does a little more damage, the 3 Black Widow shots will more than double your damage output.

As the Lord High Researcher of Clan Urdnot I am currently working on a special upgrade for the Krogan Shotgun - to make it a worthy Black Widow alternative, able to silence these sniping cowards who fight dishonourably making themselves invisible all the time.

*needs a little Bioware assistance*

[Mattymc92]

I have both of them and i honestly prefare the widow over the black widow because when im cloaking the widow does alot more damage and i mean alot and the cloak recharges at about the same time the widow reloads, thus the extra 2 shots in the clip really mean nothing, especially seen as they cant 1 hit basic enemys such as canibals unless its a headshot.

[eldrjth]

with tech heavy classes like salarian engineer, quarian engineer the mantis is quite good, since it has low weight and high damage (very close the widow here). you can also level it up to X very easily compared to widow/black widow. I personally like the black widow over the widow with my salarian infiltrator in gold difficulty. while I cant one-shot as easily with it, I have 3 shots that gives a greater probability of putting down an enemy for every reload. you can also stagger with a body shot and finish with a head shot with the black widow, which you cant do with the widow which can be helpful against nemesis/phantoms/marauders. in silver the black widow has far superior killing power so its not much of a comparison there.

[Fortack]

When you are comparing weapons, you should use the same level. A Mantis X might hold its ground against the (Black) Widow 1 - not against the (Black) Widow X (if you ever unlock one of em).

[Shock n Awe]

The Black Widow, no doubt. The Widow does a bit more damage, but even if the Black Widow does 1/2 the damage of the widow (it certainly doesn't; with a tactical cloak I can get 3 one-shot body shot kills on Silver), all 3 shots would still do 1.5x the damage in about a second's more time.

I'd say the Black Widow probably does about 4/5 of the damage of the Widow, which still makes it very powerful (especially with Tactical Cloak and the fact that it has 3 shots).

[Miwenskee]

Since I don't have the Black Widow myself, I was wondering if it has the same ammo capacity as the M-98. I get that a clip has 3 shots, but if the amount of rounds all together is the same as the amount of rounds an M-98 has, I'd prefer the M-98. I tend to use just one weapon on my infil so my style of play is "use your rounds wisely and hold your ground as much as you can before searching for an ammo crate", and I think I'll be out of rounds more quickly if I use the Black Widow. Again, this is relevant only in the case that the ammo capacity of the Black Widow is equal to the one of the M-98. If the Black Widow has more rounds, I'd prefer it.

Got a deja vu while writting, btw.

[Tangster]

Does "Created about 1 month ago" mean nothing?

[shootist70]

BW is great for thinning down groups of mobs so you don't get overwhelmed, as you can clear the trash up very quickly. 3 shots = 3 kills in rapid succession.

[Lynx7725]

Tangster: Apparently.

Modifié par Lynx7725, 23 avril 2012 - 10:25 .

[shootist70]

Miwenskee wrote...

Since I don't have the Black Widow myself, I was wondering if it has the same ammo capacity as the M-98. I get that a clip has 3 shots, but if the amount of rounds all together is the same as the amount of rounds an M-98 has, I'd prefer the M-98. I tend to use just one weapon on my infil so my style of play is "use your rounds wisely and hold your ground as much as you can before searching for an ammo crate", and I think I'll be out of rounds more quickly if I use the Black Widow. Again, this is relevant only in the case that the ammo capacity of the Black Widow is equal to the one of the M-98. If the Black Widow has more rounds, I'd prefer it.

Got a deja vu while writting, btw.

Havn't used the Widow for some time as I unlocked the BW quite early on, but with my current clip mod I get a total of 31 shots on the BW.

[Dynamik78]

My opinion:
On a salarian infiltrator stick with widow: its reload each shot allows the smart player who takes cover to recharge energy drain and recloak
On a geth infiltrator use Bw as you dont have any "panic at close range" stunner powers

I get always in the top 2 scores in any match like this

Edit: in defense of Widow
It has more penetration power and at lvlX i have 32 shots and way more damage per hit and armor penetration than the Bw which has more Dps
At the end of the day its all up to your playstyle

Modifié par Dynamik78, 23 avril 2012 - 10:32 .

[Scalabrine]

Depends on the character really.

On a Geth Infilitrator the obvious choice is the BW and Javelin second if you upgraded for Geth weapon damage. The Widow is a horrible choice for this character.

On a Salarian Infiltrator on the other hand, hands down without a question it's the Widow. Cloak+Energy Drain+Headshot= dead. No need for 2 extra shots.

On a quarian, i've always used the Widow but i imagine the BW being better for this particular character.

On characters with powers that take away shields, armor or barriers i feel the Widow is the way to go, although the BW is never a bad choice.

Modifié par Scalabrine, 23 avril 2012 - 10:37 .

[AshirahTSparkle]

A month ago. Lol

But honestly, it's hard for me to draw a comparison, as I don't have the Black Widow, and my friends only have it at II or III. But I believe I wield the Widow X in Gold matches with deadly efficiency, and people have been telling me that I must have put crack or cocaine in my Widow. I generally outscore Black Widow in Gold (but that's a given, since the people I play with don't have Black Widow at X. So it's not a fair comparison).

I would believe that Black Widow at X would be a lot more deadly than WIdow X.

Modifié par AshirahTSparkle, 23 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[ABjerre]

"Once you go Black, you never go back..."

[GodlessPaladin]

Fortack wrote...

When you are comparing weapons, you should use the same level. A Mantis X might hold its ground against the (Black) Widow 1 - not against the (Black) Widow X (if you ever unlock one of em).

Frankly, such a comparison is impractical, particularly when discussing black card weapons.

[vivanto]

Tangster wrote...
Does "Created about 1 month ago" mean nothing?

Maybe he wanted to create a new thread but instead used the search function?

Seriously, people get bashed for creating redundant threads but they shouldn't be using existing ones either?

[shootist70]

vivanto wrote...

Tangster wrote...
Does "Created about 1 month ago" mean nothing?

Maybe he wanted to create a new thread but instead used the search function?

Seriously, people get bashed for creating redundant threads but they shouldn't be using existing ones either?

Yep. You get the impression that if he had created a new thread, those same smart-asses would have posted a link to this one and a 'omg use search funtion' response.

[Tangster]

vivanto wrote...

Tangster wrote...
Does "Created about 1 month ago" mean nothing?

Maybe he wanted to create a new thread but instead used the search function?

Seriously, people get bashed for creating redundant threads but they shouldn't be using existing ones either?

There are plently of other threads that aren't 1 month old, with much more relevant debate and information.
EDIT:
Although if he found the thread with the BSN, search bar...I guess that's acceptable, given how bad the BSN search is.

Modifié par Tangster, 23 avril 2012 - 11:11 .