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[archvonbaron]

Because they want to provoke you to discredit your argument.

[Hobbes83]

EsterCloat wrote...

Because if we insult them back that will just make them happy. Prove them "right" as it were. I'm not going to give them that satisfaction.

This ^

[AlexXIV]

Face_of_Canada wrote...

Because for once there's a gamer movement that really can't be described as headed by trolls and inciters, a movement driven by respectful protest in the name of a common cause. By giving in to the urge to hit right back, you just make it all the more harder for any of us to get what we want.

Obviously it CAN be described as headed by trolls and inciters. Because that's what they do, basically. Our opinion may be different, but that's just like the opinion of trolls and inciters. See what I mean?

[Aligalipe]

By being polite and offering valid arguments, we prove that we' re better than them. The losing side usually use insults instead of valid argument, because the know they aren't on the right side. Thats always been such in life. This means we' re winning.

[Bryan Johnson]

AlexXIV wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Just keep in mind the ToS.

Personal attacks will not be tolerated on this forum.

From both sides or just from us? Because then you can start going through threads looking for the word 'whiner'.

Definitely both, there is a lot of posts moving through this forum so it is hard to keep up with them all (especially at this hour). When a topic has the words "Personal Attacks" it is pretty hard to ignore. The debate currently is trending such of civil argument vs arbitrary which is acceptable.


Edit: minor spelling

Modifié par Bryan Johnson, 17 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[The Almighty Ali]

Because if we insult them then we're no better then them.
Right now they are trying to make us look bad, if we start to insult them and such then we're only proving them right. And that can't happen.

[CraniumBeavers]

majormajormmajor wrote...

While you turn the other cheek, the lapdogs, hirelings and sycophants circulate their libel, and bring damage to your reputation every minute that passes. They should not go unpunished for this.

"Unpunished"? How do verbal insults punish them?

Like someone just said: argumentum ad hominem has no place in a civilized debate. The ones using them only make themselves look bad.

So really, just... take the high road.

AlexXIV wrote... Well I will conceal my anger for a while tbh. Let's see how far it gets them with the 'civil' approach. I am not going to take the blame for this movement fail.

Who on earth would blame you for it? ???

[Umbrellamage]

majormajormmajor wrote...

While you turn the other cheek, the lapdogs, hirelings and sycophants circulate their libel, and bring damage to your reputation every minute that passes. They should not go unpunished for this.

They damage their own reputation.  This is the internet, the movement has no reputation that can be damaged unless we do so ourselves.  The minute we start acting like children the detractors will come right back and say "hah see whiney entitled brats, we were right".  We garner support and fight by proxy from supporting articles.  There is a forbes article around that bashes Colin Moriarty for his "opinion" and does so in a logical intelligent way, a much better way than "lol u r stupid".

Logic is the ultimate weapon.

[stuffingam]

It's because they know they're argument doesn't work, so they result to ad hominem attacks. We on the other have have a perfectly sound argument so let's just keep using that.

[AlexXIV]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Because if we insult them then we're no better then them.
Right now they are trying to make us look bad, if we start to insult them and such then we're only proving them right. And that can't happen.

I don't feel the need to be better. We have the facts. We have the truth. And now we also need to be nicer to make it count? What kind of philosphy is this if you can only can get justice if you ask nice enough? We are the fans, paying customers. Not some bum from the street begging for charity.

[AlexXIV]

CraniumBeavers wrote...

Who on earth would blame you for it? ???

People who say that if we stoop down to their level we harm the movement because we give it a bad name.

[NeoGuardian86]

Really shouldn't be throwing insults at people, especially when it's over a product like a game. you don't know these people and other then the ending/Tali pic/homosexual controversies there is no reason to attack them personally for those creative choices. 

you can hate on the decisions all you like, give constructive criticism or outright make fun of it, but do not attack them then demand they do something about it.

Because you gotta realize... they don't have to do jack squat.

people don't respond to negative attacks, and when you resort to personal insults you are the last person they wanna take into account if they ever wanna do anything (now or in the future).

Modifié par NeoGuardian86, 17 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[Umbrellamage]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Because if we insult them then we're no better then them.
Right now they are trying to make us look bad, if we start to insult them and such then we're only proving them right. And that can't happen.

I don't feel the need to be better. We have the facts. We have the truth. And now we also need to be nicer to make it count? What kind of philosphy is this if you can only can get justice if you ask nice enough? We are the fans, paying customers. Not some bum from the street begging for charity.

It has nothing to do with being nice, it all has to do with pure logic.  Logical arguments are free of emotion.  Justice is free of emotion.  Destroy their arguments using pure logic, not with ad-hominem attacks and other fallacies. 

[lex0r11]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Because if we insult them then we're no better then them.
Right now they are trying to make us look bad, if we start to insult them and such then we're only proving them right. And that can't happen.

I don't feel the need to be better. We have the facts. We have the truth. And now we also need to be nicer to make it count? What kind of philosphy is this if you can only can get justice if you ask nice enough? We are the fans, paying customers. Not some bum from the street begging for charity.

i'm going to quote a krogan here:

"i will inflict upon the flamers the worst insult an enemy can suffer: to be ignored."

[The Valiant Knight]

Both sides should be civil.

Obviously due to the anger expressed by most of those who disliked the endings many feel the need to defend the endings and the game itself to show that it wasn't all as bad as those disappointed by it are making it out to be. (long sentence sorry)

People have different opinions, these opinions will clash, sometimes it gets ugly.

[JPR1964]

Better just ignore them : most of them are people that just played the game once, perhaps not even the first one...

I have some friends in this case : they don't really understand... For them it's just another shooting game... They just stop playing it after the first and last run...

JPR out!

[KaeserZen]

Why should we refrain from insulting defenders of the ending ?

1) Because we are a civil bunch
2) Because they are entitled to their opinion, and liking the endings isn't harming anyone
3) Because they had got nothing to do in the ending process
4) Because it would bring us absolutely nothing

[Hudathan]

People on both sides of the debate have been mean to each other, it's just how some people have to argue.

[CraniumBeavers]

AlexXIV wrote...
People who say that if we stoop down to their level we harm the movement because we give it a bad name.

Ah, now I get it. I thought you meant that insulting people would lift the blame from you, although you mean exactly the opposite. Silly me.

[wikkedjester]

Clever marketing troll, posted here to start a riot and make the general mass effect community look like a bunch of rabid fans?

Nice try, if we dirty our hand in the way of our enemy than we are no better then they are. We are not IGN, or other news outlets who view us as whining fans.

If Mass Effect has taught us anything its that with hard work and determination, and a lot of diplomacy, we can over come anything. The end this movement deserves results in the end Mass Effect deserves and that is worth fighting for.

Hold the Line.

[AlexXIV]

Hudathan wrote...

People on both sides of the debate have been mean to each other, it's just how some people have to argue.

No I don't HAVE TO argue that way. But I admit I am provoked easily.

[Goober2049]

Falling to their level would only prove them right. Take the high road and stick to the problem at hand

[Severyx]

Did the OP really just say "I think we should attack people who don't handle things in a way I like"?

Huh.

This thread shouldn't even be here. It's a complainer complaining about complainers. Good Lord.

[AlexXIV]

wikkedjester wrote...

Clever marketing troll, posted here to start a riot and make the general mass effect community look like a bunch of rabid fans?

Nice try, if we dirty our hand in the way of our enemy than we are no better then they are. We are not IGN, or other news outlets who view us as whining fans.

If Mass Effect has taught us anything its that with hard work and determination, and a lot of diplomacy, we can over come anything.

I thought it taught us that all that means nothing in the end. Oh well.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 17 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[The Almighty Ali]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Because if we insult them then we're no better then them.
Right now they are trying to make us look bad, if we start to insult them and such then we're only proving them right. And that can't happen.

I don't feel the need to be better. We have the facts. We have the truth. And now we also need to be nicer to make it count? What kind of philosphy is this if you can only can get justice if you ask nice enough? We are the fans, paying customers. Not some bum from the street begging for charity.

So you think you'll get your way by starting to insult those that don't agree with your views, rather then engage in a civil debate?