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[firebreather19]

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

[AlexXIV]

leonia42 wrote...

There has been plenty of insulting going on on both sides but as the mods have said, follow the site rules or face the consequences.

Personally I have been called all sorts of names for supporting the endings and while I have my reservations about the type of people who are complaining, it would be unwise to mount an argument based on ad hominem attacks.

In other words, keep it civil, regardless of what you believe.

No, you don't support the endings, do you? You break my heart.

[Korhiann]

firebreather19 wrote...

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

Negates? No, probably not. Just seems to make it all pointless.

[MissOuJ]

IGN and PA aren't commenting on the forums. Hence, they're not bound by the Site Rules & CoC. We, who post on these forums, are bound by those rules.

Also, the very last thing this issue needs is a flamewar where both sides sling insults like spitballs. Gaming community is (or at least it should be) more mature than that.

[Leonia]

I find the endings to be conclusive and satisfactory in that regard, yes. Are there still questions? Heck yes. Would I support an epilogue sequence? Yes. But the story wrapped up, Shepard accomplished what she needed to in the end. We always will want more, that's the sign of a really good story. If the story had ended with the charge at the beam I think I would have to join the complaints against the ending. Guess I'm strange like that, but I wouldn't begrudge anyoen for having a different opinion.

[ChampDude]

It's simple: Don't stoop to their level. If we start hurling insults back, we've already lost. We've made it this far on being honest, polite and calm. The moment we lose our cool is the moment Bioware stops taking us seriously (and rightfully so)

Hold the line, but be good about it

[Killer3000ad]

Take heart from Shepard's words. We will hold the line but we won't sacrifice our soul while we are at it.

[firebreather19]

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

Negates? No, probably not. Just seems to make it all pointless.

Maybe if you only played the last 30 minutes of
ME 3. But anyone who's played all 3 should have realized halfway through that each individual action and relationship makes up the story, not the ending. It's the years you spend living life that matters, not the one
Second it takes to depart. 

[shurikenmanta]

Because it validates every single thing that people have said about the movement being self-entitled, bratty, dangerously obsessed. If you guys want a better ending and want people to rally others to your cause, you need to look rational, not like foaming-at-the-gob nutjobs.

I didn't enjoy the ending. But I respect people who do, that in itself is not inherently good or bad.

[LightweightJustice]

Let’s not go down to barbarism, ok?)

[zimm2142]

We shall take the high road, while they can flame from their cave like trolls.

[Alamar2078]

We refrain from personal attacks because it can be used by "the bad guys" to paint us poorly and also because it's the right thing to do which is often more important than getting the results you are hoping for.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Talogrungi wrote...

If you attack the person rather than the argument, you've already lost.

[AlexXIV]

leonia42 wrote...

I find the endings to be conclusive and satisfactory in that regard, yes. Are there still questions? Heck yes. Would I support an epilogue sequence? Yes. But the story wrapped up, Shepard accomplished what she needed to in the end. We always will want more, that's the sign of a really good story. If the story had ended with the charge at the beam I think I would have to join the complaints against the ending. Guess I'm strange like that, but I wouldn't begrudge anyoen for having a different opinion.

I wished the story had ended with the charge at the beam. I can't accept anything the starchild says for true. It makes no sense. There are like hundret options that are better than wiping out civilisations and forcing them to 'ascend' into a reaper hull. And if I was a billion years old I guarantee I could find a thousand or hundretthousand options. They could just have not told us the purpose or reasons of the Reapers. I would have accepted that I could not understand it anyway. But his technophobia BS is cheap and it ruins ME. Not just ME3. That's why we must hold the line. Everyone can't have died for nothing.

[Korhiann]

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

Negates? No, probably not. Just seems to make it all pointless.

Maybe if you only played the last 30 minutes of
ME 3. But anyone who's played all 3 should have realized halfway through that each individual action and relationship makes up the story, not the ending. It's the years you spend living life that matters, not the one
Second it takes to depart. 

I've played the entire series and I still think it renders the story pointless.

[Leonia]

Oh I don't trust the kid but I don't think we know the full story on what was going on during that sequence yet. At least we stopped the Reapers, one way or another, that was what we set out to do.

[firebreather19]

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

Negates? No, probably not. Just seems to make it all pointless.

Maybe if you only played the last 30 minutes of
ME 3. But anyone who's played all 3 should have realized halfway through that each individual action and relationship makes up the story, not the ending. It's the years you spend living life that matters, not the one
Second it takes to depart. 

I've played the entire series and I still think it renders the story pointless.

You must hate your life then because its
Nowhere near as fantastic
Ad Shepards, and it will end just as pointlessly. 

[AlexXIV]

leonia42 wrote...

Oh I don't trust the kid but I don't think we know the full story on what was going on during that sequence yet. At least we stopped the Reapers, one way or another, that was what we set out to do.

That's short term. The child says the created always destroy the creators. And since no matter how it ends some survive everything will start from new. They will build machines, if only starships and other vehicles. And someone will develop an AI. And then either again the AIs wipe out the organics according to starchild or we get reapers again who prevent them from doing it. We have only delayed the inevitable according to the starchild.

However, it may lie to us, but I wouldn't know why. And maybe we don't know all of it yet. However, at this point it is plain unsatisactory. Especially since Bioware promised to bring conclusion and answer all questions in ME3. They for sure did not.

[Korhiann]

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

Negates? No, probably not. Just seems to make it all pointless.

Maybe if you only played the last 30 minutes of
ME 3. But anyone who's played all 3 should have realized halfway through that each individual action and relationship makes up the story, not the ending. It's the years you spend living life that matters, not the one
Second it takes to depart. 

I've played the entire series and I still think it renders the story pointless.

You must hate your life then because its
Nowhere near as fantastic
Ad Shepards, and it will end just as pointlessly. 

So performing ad hominems in a thread about ad hominems... Uh, classy.

Modifié par Korhiann, 17 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[Leonia]

^ That's the kind of language the OP was suggesting we avoid.

Anyway my original point is that neither side of the argument is innocent, both have been pretty nasty to the other so don't try to take the moral high ground and tote that one side is better than the other for not stooping to low tactics.

We're all fans here, regardless of our opinions,

[Lupus Canivus]

Be civil, don't drop down to their level. If they like the ending good for them. 

I have played through ME1, 2 (as all classes and sex) and 3 and I hate the ending. Basically, apart from the other faults, its because nothing I ever did counts for anything.



Read this. He, in comparison to IGN and friends, do't get paid.


http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[AlexXIV]

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

Negates? No, probably not. Just seems to make it all pointless.

Maybe if you only played the last 30 minutes of
ME 3. But anyone who's played all 3 should have realized halfway through that each individual action and relationship makes up the story, not the ending. It's the years you spend living life that matters, not the one
Second it takes to depart. 

I've played the entire series and I still think it renders the story pointless.

You must hate your life then because its
Nowhere near as fantastic
Ad Shepards, and it will end just as pointlessly. 

It's not pointless unless the 'truth' of the starchild was also a truth in real life. Which it isn't. We still have a purpose, unlike the organics in ME.

[Shinobu]

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Korhiann wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

 No problem if you don't like the ending. No problem if you obsess over it, doesn't affect me. A little sad if you actually delude yourself into thinking the last 5 minutes negates the entire story though. 

Negates? No, probably not. Just seems to make it all pointless.

Maybe if you only played the last 30 minutes of
ME 3. But anyone who's played all 3 should have realized halfway through that each individual action and relationship makes up the story, not the ending. It's the years you spend living life that matters, not the one
Second it takes to depart. 

I've played the entire series and I still think it renders the story pointless.

You must hate your life then because its
Nowhere near as fantastic
Ad Shepards, and it will end just as pointlessly. 

I was never promised that my real-life choices would matter.

[firebreather19]

Not attacking personality, creating discussion.

How do we still have a purpose? We don't even have mass relays or weapons relying on mass effect fields and such. So assuming the ending is 100 percent legit, how are we in a better place than them?

Just saying, if Shepard's life (Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3) are rendered pointless because of the ending, then what does that say about normal people who have not an iota the excitement or purpose he/she did and will certainly never attain the heroic level he/she did? Is a life only important if it's ending is "ok"? Thane died in a hospital bed from an illness but I guess him saving the Dalatrass was rendered pointless.

[Korhiann]

firebreather19 wrote...

Not attacking personality, creating discussion.

How do we still have a purpose? We don't even have mass relays or weapons relying on mass effect fields and such. So assuming the ending is 100 percent legit, how are we in a better place than them?

Just saying, if Shepard's life (Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3) are rendered pointless because of the ending, then what does that say about normal people who have not an iota the excitement or purpose he/she did and will certainly never attain the heroic level he/she did? Is a life only important if it's ending is "ok"? Thane died in a hospital bed from an illness but I guess him saving the Dalatrass was rendered pointless.

If humanity finds out tomorrow that we have infact all been living in something akin to the matrix then yes it would all be pointless.
Choice matters, we never got a choice in the end. The choices we made throughout the series became irrelevant in the end.

Modifié par Korhiann, 17 mars 2012 - 01:50 .