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[Lucy Glitter]

Kilshrek wrote...

 KILL EM ALL


But in all seriousness, what Brent Knowles said about games is very true.

If I wanted grimdark, things happening beyond my control, people dying despte my efforts, I turn on the news. I read a newspaper. I play games to escape from all the darkness of the world, if a game plunges me into further darkness, why should I bother playing the game? It is beyond ridiculous that there should be only one ending, when so many previous games from Bioware have many permutations on the ending.

Don't insist that we should like sour food simply because you like it, a menu should have more than just sour food on offer.

I don't think that's a fair kind of assumption to make, there.

I play games for the art of it. HOWEVER, I do want to know if it's going to be dark or not, and usually the trailer or look of the game gives it away. So, Silent Hill is a good example of a game I wouldn't play if I was in a sad mood. 

I don't necessarily play games to feel happy, but I do want to know what feeling it will give me. ME3 just shoves all this depressing crap on you without notifying you first. It's inconsistent. Yes, there were always deaths, but the overall tone was trimphant, not grim. 

ME3 WAI YOU MAKE ME DEPRESS.

Thane's death upset me so much I felt ill. Maybe because I felt it was a huge cop-out and it was depressing as hell. Mordin's death was done well, Thane's wasn't imho. Though his battle with Cereal Man was FULLI SIK BRO. Seriously, though. That fight scene was AWESOMELY BADASS. He didn't need to die, however. His want to live in 2 was just iunno.

Enough about Thane... It's... nnnn

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 17 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Xrissie wrote...

Happy endings would ruin the whole atmopshere of the game, tbh. You're in a galactic war to save all organic life, millions are dying and millions more will die... and then you have a bambi's mom moment? No, thanks bro.

I'm sorry, I really have to disagree. While on a much smaller scale, you could compare the reaper war to the dark spawn war in DA;O. I had to work my ass off and let Morrigan sleep with Alistaur (and WATCH), but I survived, brokered alliances many deemed impossible, did the impossible AND survived to become Queen of Fereldan.

I see no reason why Shepard can't do the same. >:/

[Swinns]

LIfe is full of sh*t, I play games to get away from that, not to feel more of it.

[ShallowlLife9871]

All I want this for the possablity of My Shep reuniteing with Kaidan after destyoing the reapers. i'm not asking that they get married and have kids on the spot.

[TomY90]

i think the ME3 ending should have sad endings and happy endings that the entire point of the series you decide what happens.

if I want to say I beat the reapers and managed to settle down with Miranda that is my choice.

instead we get that ending where most of the LI's are trapped on a planet nobody knows where it is.

and the plot holes bigger than the holes that sunk the titanic.

[Kilshrek]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I don't think that's a fair kind of assumption to make, there.

I play games for the art of it. HOWEVER, I do want to know if it's going to be dark or not, and usually the trailer or look of the game gives it away. So, Silent Hill is a good example of a game I wouldn't play if I was in a sad mood. 

I don't necessarily play games to feel happy, but I do want to know what feeling it will give me. ME3 just shoves all this depressing crap on you without notifying you first. It's inconsistent. Yes, there were always deaths, but the overall tone was trimphant, not grim. 

ME3 WAI YOU MAKE ME DEPRESS.

Thane's death upset me so much I felt ill. Maybe because I felt it was a huge cop-out and it was depressing as hell. Mordin's death was done well, Thane's wasn't imho. Though his battle with Cereal Man was FULLI SIK BRO. Seriously, though. That fight scene was AWESOMELY BADASS. He didn't need to die, however. His want to live in 2 was just iunno.

Enough about Thane... It's... nnnn

Sorry, I did let my feelings get the better of me there.

And I agree on that actually, I can sit around and play a grim game if I want to, but that's not what ME was about. ME 1 was about Shepard's triumph over Saren/Sovereign. It felt all sorts of heroic.
ME 2 was about Shepard's victory over the Collectors, and Shepard could die again, if you so chose. You could CHOOSE to have your protagonist die, if you wanted.
ME 3 was about, what exactly? I don't know about a triumph, only something very vague implied by the fact that there is still life in the galaxy, because an old man and his sweet are still talking about it a long way into the future.

I felt all the ME 2 squads deaths were very heroic, I almost cried when I found out I nearly condemned Grunt to death because I wanted to save the rachni. It was my decision, my call, and he'll be paying for it. But loyalty missions paid off big time.

The final 10 minutes of ME 3 totally fell flat in the face on the rest of the game. They don't exist on the same plane.

[leeboi2]

Yes, especially since my Li-Li is preggers now

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

There's plenty of dialogue options in the game talking about the future; you can tell Grunt you plan to retire when it's all over, tell Chakwas to hold off the brandy because you plan to be around to share it with her in a few months, etc. To force it all to end horribly after all that feels like a broken promise.

As well, there needs to be differences between the "worst" and "best" endings. If I get my whole team alive through the SM, get quarian/geth peace, complete all side-quests, etc., I deserve a better ending than those FailSheps who screw up everything along the way.

[Xyraphius]

MageTarot wrote...

My vesion of a happy ending would be my Shepard and LI reuniting on a devasted battlefield. While there is death and destruction all around, the fact that the two of them lived and are together would instill the sense of hope that ran through the ME universe. They may make it. They may not. One might live and one might die. But I would be very satisfied if the final scene would be of the two starting to clear the rubble...together.

"Xyraphius likes this."

As another poster mentioned, even a scene like this to suggest Shep and the LI make it out together would satisfy me. Doesn't necessarily have to be an expounded ending with kids and marriage.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 17 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Jack is probably sterile. Just look at those stomach scars. Also, female human biotics don't have an easy time with pregnancy. But, love isn't only about having kids. Shepard doesn't survive every ending, but he can, and there's a lot of post-war cleaning up to do. I believe that Jack would be at her guy's side the entire time.

[bloodrayne66]

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...

All I want this for the possablity of My Shep reuniteing with Kaidan after destyoing the reapers. i'm not asking that they get married and have kids on the spot.

i would like to my femshepard be reunited with kaidan too. they came so far to be together

[Kilshrek]

That's one of the problems of this silly ending. It simply didn't provide an option for those players who wanted to see things finally go right at the end.

It's not that it must happen, but surely it could happen.

[Xrissie]

Deventh wrote...

Xrissie wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

the grinmdark crowd got their depressing ending. Giving choice will hurt no one. Or are you afraid you will want to choose a happy ending which will make you feel less dark cool and edgy?

That's ridiculous. I don't want a 'depressing' ending because it makes me feel cool and edgy. I want a depressing ending because there's no way this story can end happily.
''Oh, millions of people died? Oh well, let's make some blue babies and ride our unicorn into the sunset!''

Gtfo. I'm glad that you got what you wanted, but why can't you support this for other people's wishes? You're selfish ****** thats what you are. And if you call this a happy ending then i quit, seriously:


Anderson dying
Two companions dying on the way to the beam
Hammer landing fleet dying
Lots o' ships in orbit dying as you invade
Citadel taken over by reapers; millions of Citadel civillians turned into Reaper chow.
Asari homeworld invaded; billions dead.

Tali possible suicide.

Either the Quarians or the Geth as an entire race dying if you don't make peace between them.  [/i]
Other minor race's homeworlds invaded: Elcor, Volus, etc. Billions dead.
Samara's daughter dead, possibly Samara herself from suicide.
Rachni race possibly dead (again). 
Mordin dead.
Krogan homeworld invaded.  Can't say billions dead because there might not be that many, but yeah, they're dying too.
Grissom Academy kids possibly dead.
Krogan race going extinct if you don't cure the genophage.
Thane dead.
Hundreds if not thousands of Citadel citizens dead in Udina's coup attempt.
Turian homeworld invaded.  Billions dead.
Earth invaded.  Billions dead.
Entire Batarian Hegemony eaten by Reapers.
Collector base possibly in the hands of Cerberus
Zero, a few, or all of your companions dead during the suicide run on the Collector base.
Normandy crewmembers, liquified and turned into a protein shake for a baby Reaper.
Human colony of Horizon, taken by Collectors.
Whole bunch of human colonies throughout the Attican Traverse and Terminus Systems, taken by Collectors.
The entire Council, possibly dead.
Whole Human and Turian fleets dead in Sovereign's attack on the Citadel.
Citadel citizens dead in Saren's attack.
Eden Prime, victims of Sovereign's first attack.
Kaidan/Ashley dying in ME1 (Virmire)

And you just presented every reason as to why this game should not have a happy ending. Thank you.

[Deventh]

Xrissie wrote...

Deventh wrote...

Xrissie wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

the grinmdark crowd got their depressing ending. Giving choice will hurt no one. Or are you afraid you will want to choose a happy ending which will make you feel less dark cool and edgy?

That's ridiculous. I don't want a 'depressing' ending because it makes me feel cool and edgy. I want a depressing ending because there's no way this story can end happily.
''Oh, millions of people died? Oh well, let's make some blue babies and ride our unicorn into the sunset!''

Gtfo. I'm glad that you got what you wanted, but why can't you support this for other people's wishes? You're selfish ****** thats what you are. And if you call this a happy ending then i quit, seriously:


Anderson dying
Two companions dying on the way to the beam
Hammer landing fleet dying
Lots o' ships in orbit dying as you invade
Citadel taken over by reapers; millions of Citadel civillians turned into Reaper chow.
Asari homeworld invaded; billions dead.

Tali possible suicide.

Either the Quarians or the Geth as an entire race dying if you don't make peace between them.  [/i]
Other minor race's homeworlds invaded: Elcor, Volus, etc. Billions dead.
Samara's daughter dead, possibly Samara herself from suicide.
Rachni race possibly dead (again). 
Mordin dead.
Krogan homeworld invaded.  Can't say billions dead because there might not be that many, but yeah, they're dying too.
Grissom Academy kids possibly dead.
Krogan race going extinct if you don't cure the genophage.
Thane dead.
Hundreds if not thousands of Citadel citizens dead in Udina's coup attempt.
Turian homeworld invaded.  Billions dead.
Earth invaded.  Billions dead.
Entire Batarian Hegemony eaten by Reapers.
Collector base possibly in the hands of Cerberus
Zero, a few, or all of your companions dead during the suicide run on the Collector base.
Normandy crewmembers, liquified and turned into a protein shake for a baby Reaper.
Human colony of Horizon, taken by Collectors.
Whole bunch of human colonies throughout the Attican Traverse and Terminus Systems, taken by Collectors.
The entire Council, possibly dead.
Whole Human and Turian fleets dead in Sovereign's attack on the Citadel.
Citadel citizens dead in Saren's attack.
Eden Prime, victims of Sovereign's first attack.
Kaidan/Ashley dying in ME1 (Virmire)

And you just presented every reason as to why this game should not have a happy ending. Thank you.

I just want Shepard to survive with his LI. How is it a happy ending is it if all this stuff happened anyway? He saw so much death why can't he find some happiness? 

Modifié par Deventh, 17 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[chujwamdotego]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I don't want to see my femshep baking dextro pies in a cottage or anything but getting pulled out some rubble by your LI for an epic hug would be enough for me. And ending showing that you both made it is all I want, dialogue isn't even needed.

I agree. That's what I want as well. It isn't to much to ask for is it? And it doesn't have to be "disney style", it just have to inspire HOPE for my character!

[Kilshrek]

Xrissie wrote...

And you just presented every reason as to why this game should not have a happy ending. Thank you.

Maybe you're not interested in actually discussing the possibility of a happier ending, in which case you are simply looking to get a reaction from those are. There's a word for that.

People are making the case for an optional happier ending than what's already been presented. If it happens it may be optional, it will not affect your game in any way. Your Shepard can die a million deaths so far as we are concerned and we'll never say a thing about it. What is your problem with other people having a happier ending for their Shepards?

This story isn't yours alone.

[Xyraphius]

Kilshrek wrote...

Xrissie wrote...

And you just presented every reason as to why this game should not have a happy ending. Thank you.

Maybe you're not interested in actually discussing the possibility of a happier ending, in which case you are simply looking to get a reaction from those are. There's a word for that.

People are making the case for an optional happier ending than what's already been presented. If it happens it may be optional, it will not affect your game in any way. Your Shepard can die a million deaths so far as we are concerned and we'll never say a thing about it. What is your problem with other people having a happier ending for their Shepards?

This story isn't yours alone.

+1

[Eclipse merc]

I demandz my little blue children

[Alamar2078]

I think in a game about choice you should have some option somewhere, somehow to live through it with your LI even if it's on a space station in the middle of nowhere and you're trying to hide from the Reapers ....

[Bellendaine]

ShallowlLife9871 wrote...

All I want this for the possablity of My Shep reuniteing with Kaidan after destyoing the reapers. i'm not asking that they get married and have kids on the spot.

Same for me, and the kids aren't a problem 'cause my Shep's gay.

Modifié par Bellendaine, 17 mars 2012 - 05:57 .

[Kilshrek]

Alamar2078 wrote...

I think in a game about choice you should have some option somewhere, somehow to live through it with your LI even if it's on a space station in the middle of nowhere and you're trying to hide from the Reapers ....

Appropriately bleak. But I think that would be... too cowardly for Shep. I mean the whole point was to stop the Reapers or die trying. Can't cut and run just because you're afraid for your LI's life. I mean, the Reapers can scour the galaxy clean of advanced life, hiding on a space station won't do you much good in the long run.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I want Garrus and my Shep to be together. I don't care how. Dead, alive, it doesn't matter to me. If BioWare doesn't think the IP deserves a decent ending then fine, that's their schtick, but for me the emotional heart of the story was Shepard.

[l7986]

Meh to hell with any endings just give me an epilogue explaining what happened to everyone having it account for the control, destroy, synthesis endings and choices you made in game.

Modifié par l7986, 17 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[Alamar2078]

Kilshrek wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

I think in a game about choice you should have some option somewhere, somehow to live through it with your LI even if it's on a space station in the middle of nowhere and you're trying to hide from the Reapers ....

Appropriately bleak. But I think that would be... too cowardly for Shep. I mean the whole point was to stop the Reapers or die trying. Can't cut and run just because you're afraid for your LI's life. I mean, the Reapers can scour the galaxy clean of advanced life, hiding on a space station won't do you much good in the long run.

Well it was an off the top of my head example [and not a very good example] but you see what I'm getting at --we don't even get something "that good".

[LilyasAvalon]

Xrissie wrote...

And you just presented every reason as to why this game should not have a happy ending. Thank you.

That's just sad, you don't even think that Shepard should have ONE happy ending? Not even one? 

The galaxy already has enough misery, when the war is over, it is time to focus on rebuilding, finding happiness where you can.

Your assumption is just pathetic, and an insult to any soldier who's fought in wars or any civilian caught in their crossfires.