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[Cosmochyck]

Thane. No question.

[Cody]

Nomad1888 wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...

zaitung wrote...

He's too xenophobe to be an acceptable comrade for Shepard.

Someone said that any crewmember could defeat Leng. That is not true. I'm pretty sure Thane would have died if he wasn't loyal in ME2. Being loyal he just dies due to blood loss + terminally ill.
Miranda too dies if she isn't warned beforehand.

Nope. You can never warn her about Kai. He just attacks. And she only dies from a shot by her father.

And if Thane is not loyal, he does not show up in ME3 at all.

You warn her about KL when you talk to her on the Spectre terminal.

Ah right I forgot. And she could die if not loyal. Either way though it just goes to show that any LOYAL party member could beat Kai.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Thane would own him. Even with a sword and sick Thane, Kai Leng couldn't win. I would've liked to see Shepard go against Leng 1 on 1 in hand to hand.

[ImperatorMortis]

Thane. He's just better in every aspect. Except for the whole being deathly ill thing.

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 17 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[ashwind]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Thane would own him. Even with a sword and sick Thane, Kai Leng couldn't win. I would've liked to see Shepard go against Leng 1 on 1 in hand to hand.

I kicked him in the gut when he 1 on 1 hand to hand me in TIM's office 

Then heavy melee him to oblivion and gut him with my never before used Omniblade (didnt know Vanguards carry omniblades )

Modifié par ashwind, 17 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[Cody]

ashwind wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Thane would own him. Even with a sword and sick Thane, Kai Leng couldn't win. I would've liked to see Shepard go against Leng 1 on 1 in hand to hand.

I kicked him in the gut when he 1 on 1 hand to hand me in TIM's office 

Then heavy melee him to oblivion and gut him with my never before used Omniblade (didnt know Vanguards carry omniblades )

Guess they didn't want to make adepts and Vanguards op'd in that cutscene. Since their melee attack involves a biotic bunch it would be a little unfair to have a biotic Shepard punch a hole through Kai.

[blooregard]

filetemo wrote...

Thane said it
"What a joke of an assassin, an almost dead drell stopped him from finishing his job"

"That assassin should be embarrased. A terminally ill drell stopped him from reaching his target."

without implants death bed Thane would have beat the crap out of Kai Leng
with implants healthy Thane would have beat the crap out of Kai Leng

if I recall Kai Leng was a former N7 meaning he should have around the same amount of training as shep...which isn't much compared to somebody who's been practicing the art of killing people for around 44 years

[SithLordExarKun]

CodyMelch wrote...



I have. And I had mentioned feats for Thane as well might I add. 

Ok

CodyMelch wrote...
I've read the books and again it is nothing Thane hasn't already done.

Clearly you haven't. No other being in the galaxy other than Aria was able to smackdown a krogan like that  and kai leng did that rather easily. Also killing off a special turian squad from possibly the most powerful military in the galaxy is also a  big feat.

And yes, Thane has killed a krogan, but so did Kai. How does that mean thane > kai? How does that make Thane a better fighter?

CodyMelch wrote...
Attacking the collector base for example is more than enough to dwarf kais feats. 

Thane was with 11 other people.... I don't see that dwarfing anything. 

CodyMelch wrote...

And before you say "the crew could have survived!" the crew weren't fighting alongside Shepard. Nor did they have to hold a point against leagions of collectors.

Yes and killing a bunch of mindless husks wielding a gun is impressive. Don't forget that nobody in the squad would have survived if they tried doing that alone. If thane is the end be all then he would have been the only one recrited for the mission.

CodyMelch wrote...
I already defuted the part about kai killing a Krogan. Thane has done so too. Has a note written about it. Hell Mordin killed a Krogan with Farming equipment. 

Yeah and killing a krogan with farming equipment is as impressive as killing a Krogan with bare hands.

CodyMelch wrote...
Thane has better feats and more experience. He fought and killed krogans and Asari commandos from afar and up close. I already mentioend this. Read my posts.

I've read them, and honestly all i saw was "Any one could have easily killed kai leng" or "Thane was born to be an assassin therefore hes better" and last but not least a bunch of unsound arguments. By the way, he kills Miranda if you didn't warn her about him or didnt finish her loyalty mission in ME2 and if you ponser why he ran off? Its because he had far more important taskes to do and besides, Miranda ends with with far more bruises and not a single scratch on Kai.

Back to the matter at hand, i'd still think this would be one hell of a fight.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 17 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[Archontor]

@ SithLordWhatevs, Mordin sung farming equipment is more expressive, he was presumably much less experienced, a doctor not a dedicated assassin and he managed to survive a reprisal as well.

[WarGriffin]

All this topic does is reinforce the notion i brought up in my Kai Leng topic.

Kai in Me3 isn't suppose to be Kai Leng, Cerberus' Best
He is Cerberus 1 non nameless grunt

that or the simply truth is... ME has always had an issue of making Skilled Villians to counter the heroes.

BW does love to make it's heroes the best of the Best by default and all opposition is just a mountain of corpses waiting to happen.


I don't even know why your glorifying the scene as some victory for Thane either.

Other then pretty much not making Kai a threat from the get go -you know the thing you'd want to do with your main rival villian from the get-go... but then again BW apparently went with certain choices just for the sake of doing it. My favorite is Kai cloaks... but decloaks to draw his sword -__-
Hey Kai maybe you should have stalked the Councilar cloaked... that way... oh nevermind

Thane comes off as a total moron... So he sneaks up on kai... but gives himself away activating his gun... If thane could sneak up on him, Thane the master killer he is should have already had his gun prepped
That and thane apparently can't hit nothing from three feet away

Uggh the entire scene badass is robbed the moment you notice how stupid and contrived it is.

There were warning signs in the story people there were warning signs

[Tony208]

Thane because he doesn't eat people's cereal. And you will never convince us otherwise.

[ashwind]

WarGriffin wrote...

All this topic does is reinforce the notion i brought up in my Kai Leng topic.

Kai in Me3 isn't suppose to be Kai Leng, Cerberus' Best
He is Cerberus 1 non nameless grunt

that or the simply truth is... ME has always had an issue of making Skilled Villians to counter the heroes.

Noooo. Cerberus's best was TIM, is TIM and will always be TIM. He doesnt even need a butter knife to face Shepard.

Kai Leng is just TIM's pet.

[SithLordExarKun]

WarGriffin wrote...

All this topic does is reinforce the notion i brought up in my Kai Leng topic.

Kai in Me3 isn't suppose to be Kai Leng, Cerberus' Best
He is Cerberus 1 non nameless grunt

that or the simply truth is... ME has always had an issue of making Skilled Villians to counter the heroes.

BW does love to make it's heroes the best of the Best by default and all opposition is just a mountain of corpses waiting to happen.


I don't even know why your glorifying the scene as some victory for Thane either.

Other then pretty much not making Kai a threat from the get go -you know the thing you'd want to do with your main rival villian from the get-go... but then again BW apparently went with certain choices just for the sake of doing it. My favorite is Kai cloaks... but decloaks to draw his sword -__-
Hey Kai maybe you should have stalked the Councilar cloaked... that way... oh nevermind

Thane comes off as a total moron... So he sneaks up on kai... but gives himself away activating his gun... If thane could sneak up on him, Thane the master killer he is should have already had his gun prepped
That and thane apparently can't hit nothing from three feet away

Uggh the entire scene badass is robbed the moment you notice how stupid and contrived it is.

There were warning signs in the story people there were warning signs

He could have been less of a cold hearted killer by the time of ME3 and might have wanted to warn Kai leng off instead of sneaking up on him and killing him instantly.

[JamesT91]

this is slightly off topic but its just one quick question.
is it possible to die in the kai leng "boss" fight?

he doesnt attack me, he runs around the room cartwheeling and doing flips, and lets 4 different groups of minor enemies in but never attacks me himself

[Cody]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...



I have. And I had mentioned feats for Thane as well might I add. 

Ok

CodyMelch wrote...
I've read the books and again it is nothing Thane hasn't already done.

Clearly you haven't. No other being in the galaxy other than Aria was able to smackdown a krogan like that  and kai leng did that rather easily. Also killing off a special turian squad from possibly the most powerful military in the galaxy is also a  big feat.

And yes, Thane has killed a krogan, but so did Kai. How does that mean thane > kai? How does that make Thane a better fighter?

CodyMelch wrote...
Attacking the collector base for example is more than enough to dwarf kais feats. 

Thane was with 11 other people.... I don't see that dwarfing anything. 

CodyMelch wrote...

And before you say "the crew could have survived!" the crew weren't fighting alongside Shepard. Nor did they have to hold a point against leagions of collectors.

Yes and killing a bunch of mindless husks wielding a gun is impressive. Don't forget that nobody in the squad would have survived if they tried doing that alone. If thane is the end be all then he would have been the only one recrited for the mission.

CodyMelch wrote...
I already defuted the part about kai killing a Krogan. Thane has done so too. Has a note written about it. Hell Mordin killed a Krogan with Farming equipment. 

Yeah and killing a krogan with farming equipment is as impressive as killing a Krogan with bare hands.

CodyMelch wrote...
Thane has better feats and more experience. He fought and killed krogans and Asari commandos from afar and up close. I already mentioend this. Read my posts.

I've read them, and honestly all i saw was "Any one could have easily killed kai leng" or "Thane was born to be an assassin therefore hes better" and last but not least a bunch of unsound arguments. By the way, he kills Miranda if you didn't warn her about him or didnt finish her loyalty mission in ME2 and if you ponser why he ran off? Its because he had far more important taskes to do and besides, Miranda ends with with far more bruises and not a single scratch on Kai.

Back to the matter at hand, i'd still think this would be one hell of a fight.

Wth are you talking about? Lrn2read. I never said Thane beating a Krogan hand to hand made him better than Kai. I clearly stated that it means he did it too and that shouldn't be something that should hold Kai over Thane. And it was never stated that Aria fought a krogan hand to hand. Just that they fought. Since she was a friggin Matriarch any physicall advantage a krogan had would be off set by powerful biotics. Even then it could have been a gun fight. Sweet jumping jeebus. It was never even stated he killed a Krogan in the books(not to my knowledge it's been a while since I read it) but it was stated in a mail sent to Shep in ME3.

And it was 11 other people vs an army of advanced troopers that have more fighting experience and reaper tech at their side...they weren't as mindless as a geth. They have shown to have enough intelligence to actually fight. Combined with a reaper stepping in to fight here and there it gives them an advantage.

And since it was a Salarian killing a Krogan with a farming tool that is more impressive. And as I said Thane has killed Krogan with his bare hands as well. It is his prefered way of killing them. Again he has done everything Kai has done, albiet longer and more.

And now you show you did not read any of my posts just skimmed them. I have actually backed up what I said while you have not. We also do not even see Kai's state after their fight so you assume he is okay. Which is bs. And has better things to do? Again read my posts. If the Illusive man ordered grunts to kill Kelly, a person with no threat. Then you damn well know Miranda would be number 1 to kill. Kai's priority would be to kill her. Not just leave her so she can cause more damage. Your logic sucks.

[HKR148]

So much.. cereal. Power overwhelming.

[WarGriffin]

ashwind wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

All this topic does is reinforce the notion i brought up in my Kai Leng topic.

Kai in Me3 isn't suppose to be Kai Leng, Cerberus' Best
He is Cerberus 1 non nameless grunt

that or the simply truth is... ME has always had an issue of making Skilled Villians to counter the heroes.

Noooo. Cerberus's best was TIM, is TIM and will always be TIM. He doesnt even need a butter knife to face Shepard.

Kai Leng is just TIM's pet.

Then Why didn't TIM do it all himself?

[WarGriffin]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

He could have been less of a cold hearted killer by the time of ME3 and might have wanted to warn Kai leng off instead of sneaking up on him and killing him instantly.

Seems illogical at that point with all the hell Cerberus had raised

[Subject M]

Thane. No doubt in my mind. KLs plot armor and cybernetics would allow him to escape with his life though.Without think plot armor he would put up a decent fight, but loose and die, pretty much replaying  the basic scenario of their confrontation in ME3, but with reversed roles.

Modifié par Subject M, 17 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[SithLordExarKun]

CodyMelch wrote...



Wth are you talking about? Lrn2read. I never said Thane beating a Krogan hand to hand made him better than Kai.

You implied it though. Regardless, whether Thane killed a krogan with his bare hands or not, it is still impressive.

CodyMelch wrote...
I clearly stated that it means he did it too and that shouldn't be something that should hold Kai over Thane

And your argument that "Thane is born to be an assassin therefore he is better"  also shouldn't be something to hold Thane over Kai. 

CodyMelch wrote..
. And it was never stated that Aria fought a krogan hand to hand. Just that they fought. Since she was a friggin Matriarch any physicall advantage a krogan had would be off set by powerful biotics. Even then it could have been a gun fight. Sweet jumping jeebus.

Actually i did forget to mention that was the most difficult fight Aria had ever been according to her. So killing a krogan with your bare hands? Thats really impressive considering how monstrous their threshold for pain is. 

Im not arguing that Lng killing a krogan puts him way above thane, Im simply showing you that KL isn't the weakling you are desperately trying to make him out to be.

CodyMelch wrote...
It was never even stated he killed a Krogan in the books(not to my knowledge it's been a while since I read it) but it was stated in a mail sent to Shep in ME3.

  Yes, his dossier, i was stating the Turian part in the novel.

CodyMelch wrote...
And it was 11 other people vs an army of advanced troopers that have more fighting experience and reaper tech at their side...they weren't as mindless as a geth. They have shown to have enough intelligence to actually fight.
Combined with a reaper stepping in to fight here and there it gives them an advantage.

  Their still mindless husks and based on what you stated, that is in no way a personal feat for thane as you initially tried to claim.

CodyMelch wrote...
And since it was a Salarian killing a Krogan with a farming tool that is more impressive. And as I said Thane has killed Krogan with his bare hands as well. It is his prefered way of killing them. Again he has done everything Kai has done, albiet longer and more.

More experience =/= better when it boils down to fictional characters. Look at Revenge of the sith. Yoda has been fighting and training jedi for 800 years, Sidious has only trained for 40 years yet he could not be beaten by Yoda. 

My point is just because you do something longer, doesn't make you far better. Is thane the better assassin? I'd say yes, but being the better assassin is not the same as being a better fighter! Im sorry if i did not make this clear earlier. 


Thanes profession is being an assassin. Kai lengs profession is much different and not entirely the same.

CodyMelch wrote...
And now you show you did not read any of my posts just skimmed them.

  Considering how biased your posts were?

CodyMelch wrote...
I have actually backed up what I said while you have not.

Actually i beg to differ. I don't know how making claims = solid proof. I have backed up my claims, the problem is you refuse to accept them. 

This whole debate is hypothetical with you being unbelivable biased and ignoring every one of kais feats.

CodyMelch wrote...
We also do not even see Kai's state after their fight so you assume he is okay.

Then prove he was bruised up. So why did end with Miranda being beaten really badly and required her "prep time" if warned about KL just to survive an encounter with him and not the other way around? Miranda is no pushover either, she was one of cerberus top agents

CodyMelch wrote...
Which is bs. And has better things to do? Again read my posts. If the Illusive man ordered grunts to kill Kelly, a person with no threat. Then you damn well know Miranda would be number 1 to kill. Kai's priority would be to kill her. Not just leave her so she can cause more damage. Your logic sucks. 

You would have to prove that Kai'
s number one objective was killing her in the first place. Oh wait you don't because its been stated by the game itself that his main objective was to get the data from horizon, killing Miranda was only secondary considering how close to the end of the reaper war this was that killing ex cerberus officers no longer was important.

Besides, if she wasn't warned about him, he ends up mortally wounding her anyway.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 17 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[VettoRyouzou]

Thane for one golden fact.

Sniper Rifle > Katana.

[Lucky Thirteen]

With a healthy Thane, the whole scene with Kai Leng jumping down to go after the salarian council member wouldn't have happened.

Instead, Kai Leng's corpse would have just dropped from the ceiling like a ton of bricks. Then Thane would have just walked casually into the room Shepard was in to look out the window at the councilor crapping his pants. Thane would acted like it was nothing.

[Hashbeth]

Thane.
Question: How many assassins can keep killing people while battling lung disease?
Answer: Only One

[Exile Isan]

Neck snap FTW! My money would totally be on Thane. Even terminally ill he managed to keep Kai Leng from achieving his objective, killing the salarian counciler. And the only reason Thane died from his stab would was because he was terminally ill. Also it's possible the differences we see in Kai in ME3 vs. Kai in Retribution are do to the fact that Anderson shot him in both legs with a shotgun and TIM "upgraded" him. Reaper tech will do that to you.

[LittleDeadGirl]

Thane for sure