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[Alpha-Centuri]

Lorewise it would be close.

Kai Leng's character overall kinda sucks. Cereal-Eating, Toothbrush-killing, katana wielding baddass. Meh.

Then again I think it's kinda cool he fights with a sword though. "Mal. Guy killed me, Mal. He killed me with a sword. How weird is that?"

[wildannie]

Thane, although Kai Leng is a formidable opponent, thane was trained from the age of 6 and was the best assassin in the galaxy. Also, I believe drell are naturally stronger than humans.

The fact that he knocked Kai leng around the room when ill is just proof of this.

[SithLordExarKun]

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...


Yes it should be. It shows he has more experience and training that Kai has
[/quote] Prove more experience = better? I already stated that being a better assassin doesn't mean being the better fighter.


[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
...and? That doesn't mean she fought a Krogan with her bare hands. Just that it was hard.
[/quote]
Her hardest battle ever. Just realize shes the most powereful member on Omega.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
I was never making him out to be weak. Just proving that he is nothing compared to the party members. He is good obviously. Just not on their level. [/quote] Yes you are actually. Don't be ridiculous.

 None of the other party members other than Thane has actually accomplished what he has, none of them other than thane could kill Krogan with their bare fists(Garrus couldn't even do that wih all the weapons and tech he had).

Don't be ridiculous. Kai leng is way above any of their league.

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Still shows a tremendous feat of 10 people vs an army. [/quote] But how does that make Thane do a curbstomp over Kai leng? 10 of the best people in the galaxy fighting off an army of mindless drones is impressive? Either way this is an invalid argument you are making. That because thane and 11 other people went in the base, therefore he is better.

[quote]
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[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
They never finished their fight and Palpatine was immensley powerful to being with. Plus Yoda was old. Yes his species can live a long time. Yes age doesn't matter to much for jedi and sith. But in his case? It does. Cause he is old among the old.[/quote] Age doesn't matter in Star wars if you ever read the novels or the G-canon movie novel, they can replenish their stamina and energy in an instant which is what Dooku has been doing in all his fights. As long as they have the ability to call on the force, their age never matters. This has been stated many times in several source books.

Besides this debunks your entire statement that more experience = automatically better. 800 years of experience vs 40 years of experience and still couldn't beat the sith lord


[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
I agree. But nonetheless Thane has been fighting longer as well. A lot of his work would invole straight up fights as well. Not everything will go as planned.
[/quote] see the above. If most of his works ended up with him needing to brawl and beat his opponent to death, that makes him a poor assassin. Based on what we see he ends up killing his opponents due to surprise attacks most of the time. 

Kai leng was never an assassin like thane was, he was more of a hitman hired to do a job.


[quote]
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[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Considering they weren't biased, contained facts from lore, and has more evidence than any of your posts have had thus far?[/quote]  Your "evidence" doesn't prove than Thane's a better fighter. Theres no in game statement that states Thane and co > Kai leng. If there were such facts you wouldn't even have to argue in the first place as to WHY thane and co are better. 

You are just using these statements to backup to WHY you think they are better, they don't actually prove that they are better.


[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
I wasn't making claims when I am referencing to in game events and lore in general. Your claims have been refuted already, you just refuse to believe otherwise. [/quote] If your refuting by ignoring then yes, you have done an excellent job of doing it. 




[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Cause stating that most of his feats have been done by someone else, with evidence supporting that is totally biased amirite?[/quote]  Oh no not at all, by claiming that even Mordin can beat KL in a straight up fight? Thats horribly biased, by claiming that every single squadmate is vastly superior to KL? Thats bias 

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Prove that he wasn't.
[/quote]  You make the claim, you prove it. If you can't even grasp this simple concept in the rules of a debate, you shouldn't even debate.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
All we see is a few marks  and cuts on Miranda's cheeks. And her being tired. Other than that she seems fine. She was hardly "beaten badly".
[/quote] Then explain why she dies if she wasnt warned.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
And she never even knew Kai was there. She was warned Kai was around yea. But not then and there at that time. So she didn't have time to prep herself.
[/quote] HAH she herself stated in the game that if shepard didn't warn her, she would have been instantly killed and she stated she only survived the encounter barely was because due to the warning, she had time to prepare for KL. 


[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
She just knew he was there. There is no reason for him to leave her alive unless his life was also in danger.
[/quote] See the above.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
It's common sense. You think the grunts number 1 motive was to kill Kelly? No it wasn't. To leave a huge threat like Miranda alive is stupid. If warned Miranda knows what she will be up against. Otherwise she just assumes she's dealing with husks, grunts and her father. Not a trained soldier like kai that has implants.

[/quote] Apparantly you don't know what a priority is. His main objective was to get the data from the centre, not to kill Miranda. The grunts had time to gun down kelly because there was no immediate threat. In the sanctuary there was the threat of the reapers, husks and time constraints when Kai needed to get the data back to the illusive man ASAP.  Either way, Miranda is still beaten pretty badly, she doesn't look that bruised because of GENETIC MODIFICATION that accelerates her healing? And she still gets killed if she wasn't warned.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I love this thread so much, this is my favorite thread ever.

[Subject M]

What is this SithLordExarKun?

Don't you understand their place in the story as it has been developing?
Yes, KL is very very good. But he is not as good as Thane. He has good chances at defeating elite characters such as Jacob, Garrus and random Krogan or Turians in a close quarters fight. No doubt.
Miranda? Not so much.
Against characters such as Grunt, Samara, Wrex and a healthy Thane, the odds would not look good at all.

Modifié par Subject M, 17 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Stygian1]

Thane... Thane so much

[CrazyCatDude]

@SithLordExarKun

You're a Kai Leng fan.  We get it.  The thing is, Kai Leng, as presented in the game is a complete punk.  He goes up against Thane, and Thane, with difficulty breathing, and brain damage (if you listen to the details of his conversation, and what the doctor says about him) manages to stop Leng from reaching his target, and lay on the beatdown.  Leng basically kills Thane with a sucker punch, which likely never would have happened if Thane were healthy.

Then there's the fact that, like Shepard says, Leng spends all his time running away.  He runs on the Citadel, he runs on Thessia, and when he finally shows up for a "fair fight" he brings dozens of Cerberus goons with him.

When it comes right down to it, I don't think Leng could take Thane, or Garrus, or Wrex, or Grunt, Jack, Samara or Zaeed, and certainly wouldn't have a chance against Shepard.  Legion would be interesting.  Obviously, he could take Miranda if he caught her by surprise.  I don't think Jacob, Tali or Kasumi could take him, but Tali and Kasumi are more tech experts than main line brawlers (even allowing for the fact that they're better fighters than most commandos), and Jacob, while a decent fighter, is easily the weakest link on the Suicide squad.

Honestly, what would have made Leng a much better character is if he HAD been on the Suicide Squad, in Jacob's role, complete with all the Xenophobia what Leng expresses in the novels.  Would have added tons of conflict.

[Cody]

[quote]
Prove more experience = better? I already stated that being a better assassin doesn't mean being the better fighter.[/quote]
And I already stated that being assassin can, a lot of the time, end up in a fight. Then there is the training.


[quote]
Her hardest battle ever. Just realize shes the most powereful member on Omega.
[/quote]
So? Still doesn't mean a damn thing. What may have been hard for her, could have been easy for Kai or Shep or Thane or Wrex or whoever. Still does not mean she fought it hand to hand. Why you keep mentioning this makes no sense.

[quote]Yes you are actually. Don't be ridiculous.
[/quote]

No I'm not actually. Just compared to the party members and Shep. Never did I say that Kai was that weak. You assumed I did because you are so quick to defend a character that you like.


[quote]None of the other party members other than Thane has actually accomplished what he has, none of them other than thane could kill Krogan with their bare fists(Garrus couldn't even do that wih all the weapons and tech he had).

Don't be ridiculous. Kai leng is way above any of their league.
[/quote]

AHAHAHAHAH now your starting to amuse me. Grunt can easily kill a Krogan with his bear hands since he is a Krogan, Legion probably as well. And just because Kai could kill a Krogan with his bare hands means S.hit to their overall combat capabilities. Jacob has better feats then he did during ME Galaxy. Jack is straight up more powerful and Garrus has more skill.

They are all better than Kai and have proven so in games and/or books.


[quote]But how does that make Thane do a curbstomp over Kai leng? 10 of the best people in the galaxy fighting off an army of mindless drones is impressive? Either way this is an invalid argument you are making. That because thane and 11 other people went in the base, therefore he is better.
[/quote]

Nope. Him surviving. Mindless or not, a mob represents a threat. So does an army with advanced tech. And they aren't as mindless as the random husks we see. That we see for sure.

[quote] Age doesn't matter in Star wars if you ever read the novels or the G-canon movie novel, they can replenish their stamina and energy in an instant which is what Dooku has been doing in all his fights. As long as they have the ability to call on the force, their age never matters. This has been stated many times in several source books.

Besides this debunks your entire statement that more experience = automatically better. 800 years of experience vs 40 years of experience and still couldn't beat the sith lord[/quote]

Only when said Sith lord has greater affinity to the force and when the fight was not finished. And I already know that age doesn't matter too much to them. But it does have an effect at times. They state that much themselves. The force can only do so much when ones natural senses wane due to age. And as both Jedi and Sith stress, you cannot rely completely on the force in that area for it can deceive you. Qui-gon says this to Obi.


[quote] see the above. If most of his works ended up with him needing to brawl and beat his opponent to death, that makes him a poor assassin. Based on what we see he ends up killing his opponents due to surprise attacks most of the time. 

Kai leng was never an assassin like thane was, he was more of a hitman hired to do a job.
[/quote]

I never said most. Just that it would have happened at times cause not everything can go as planned.


[quote]
Your "evidence" doesn't prove than Thane's a better fighter. Theres no in game statement that states Thane and co > Kai leng. If there were such facts you wouldn't even have to argue in the first place as to WHY thane and co are better. 

You are just using these statements to backup to WHY you think they are better, they don't actually prove that they are better.
[/quote]

They do when said feats are greater, more reknown, and more frequent.


[quote]If your refuting by ignoring then yes, you have done an excellent job of doing it.
[/quote]

If by ignore you mean addressing them and then responding with greater feats done then..you need to learn what ignore means


[quote]Oh no not at all, by claiming that even Mordin can beat KL in a straight up fight? Thats horribly biased, by claiming that every single squadmate is vastly superior to KL? Thats bias
[/quote]

Never said Mordin could beat him. Just that a Salarian killing a Krogan with a Farming tool is a greater feat.

Also not biased to say that each party member is better when they have shown to have superior skill. Hell as someone else stated, they were chosen to be part of Sheps team. Yet Kai was not. And he already has done a many great things already.

[quote]You make the claim, you prove it. If you can't even grasp this simple concept in the rules of a debate, you shouldn't even debate.
[/quote]
Wrong. You claimed that Kai was not injured at all. I said the otherwise. Would help your debating skills if you remember what you stated before.

[quote]Then explain why she dies if she wasnt warned.
[/quote]
...because she wasn't expecting him and was injured far more than otherwise? She even said that it was just a scratch. And we see her walk just fine. So...that basically throws her being "badly injured" out the window unless she was not loyal and/or was not warned.

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
[/quote] HAH she herself stated in the game that if shepard didn't warn her, she would have been instantly killed and she stated she only survived the encounter barely was because due to the warning, she had time to prepare for KL.
[/quote]

An exaggeration. She was unsure of what would have happened and she only said that she took a few precautions. Nothing major as you seem to think.


[quote]See the above.
[/quote]

And once again your logic sucked.

[quote]Apparantly you don't know what a priority is. His main objective was to get the data from the centre, not to kill Miranda. The grunts had time to gun down kelly because there was no immediate threat. In the sanctuary there was the threat of the reapers, husks and time constraints when Kai needed to get the data back to the illusive man ASAP.  Either way, Miranda is still beaten pretty badly, she doesn't look that bruised because of GENETIC MODIFICATION that accelerates her healing? And she still gets killed if she wasn't warned.
[/quote]

And apparently you don't know 2+2. It is still a priority target. And if he had her then it would be easy to kill her. Yet..didn't. He ran away. And Miranda only had a scratch. Again not badly. Just a scratch. Again you exaggerate. And her healing capabilities are not like Wolverines. If she was so badly wounded it would not have healed that quickly and if she was so badly wounded then there is no reason for kai not to kill her cause it would have been easy. But the thing it, he couldn't cause she kicked the s.hit out of him.

Anyway, you ignore logic and come up with wild bs to support your arguements. It became apparent to me that your a fanboy(i'd say fangirl but a women would be smarter than this, if you are a women then for shame)as soon as you claimed that Kai was "way above any of their leagues" when the squad mates all have around the same level of skill just are better in certain areas. I'm done debating with you(If you could call it that seeing as you can't backup ANY of your claims and exaggerate and make up things as you go).

Have fun arguing with yourself. Just gonna ignore your posts for now on .

Modifié par CodyMelch, 17 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Subject M wrote...

What is this SithLordExarKun?

Don't you understand their place in the story as it has been developing?
Yes, KL is very very good. But he is not as good as Thane. He has good chances at defeating elite characters such as Jacob, Garrus and random Krogan or Turians in a close quarters fight. No doubt.
Miranda? Not so much.
Against characters such as Grunt, Samara, Wrex and a healthy Thane, the odds would not look good at all.

Thats your opinion bro, as i have mine. I don't present my opinions as fact as some of you people do. You think They are better? Thats your opnion bruh. And not a good chance of killing miranda? He mortally wounds her if you didn't warn her apparently. Thats not opinion, thats fact.

[Cody]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

@SithLordExarKun

You're a Kai Leng fan.  We get it.  The thing is, Kai Leng, as presented in the game is a complete punk.  He goes up against Thane, and Thane, with difficulty breathing, and brain damage (if you listen to the details of his conversation, and what the doctor says about him) manages to stop Leng from reaching his target, and lay on the beatdown.  Leng basically kills Thane with a sucker punch, which likely never would have happened if Thane were healthy.

Then there's the fact that, like Shepard says, Leng spends all his time running away.  He runs on the Citadel, he runs on Thessia, and when he finally shows up for a "fair fight" he brings dozens of Cerberus goons with him.

When it comes right down to it, I don't think Leng could take Thane, or Garrus, or Wrex, or Grunt, Jack, Samara or Zaeed, and certainly wouldn't have a chance against Shepard.  Legion would be interesting.  Obviously, he could take Miranda if he caught her by surprise.  I don't think Jacob, Tali or Kasumi could take him, but Tali and Kasumi are more tech experts than main line brawlers (even allowing for the fact that they're better fighters than most commandos), and Jacob, while a decent fighter, is easily the weakest link on the Suicide squad.

Honestly, what would have made Leng a much better character is if he HAD been on the Suicide Squad, in Jacob's role, complete with all the Xenophobia what Leng expresses in the novels.  Would have added tons of conflict.

About Jacob, he is actually pretty damn good. Rivaling Garrus imo. I mean he did some impressive feats in Mass Effect Galaxy afterall. And survived Eden Prime(I think the only other squad that managed that and fought a lot was Sheps).

[Friendly Hobo]

If it was Kai Leng from the books, and no the dumbed down character in the game, undoubtedly it would be Kai Leng. As it stands in game though, Thane would wipe the floor with him.

[adidaz]

Thane FTW

[Icetea07]

Um... Thane of course. Thane was ashamed of Kai Leing as an assasin. After all he even said Leing let a Sick Drell keep him from hitting his target. Rather pathetic. So yeah Thane would have beat him in seconds. Period.

[stysiaq]

Probably Thane, but when you face a villain too early into the story, the nice guy always looses.

[Subject M]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Subject M wrote...

What is this SithLordExarKun?

Don't you understand their place in the story as it has been developing?
Yes, KL is very very good. But he is not as good as Thane. He has good chances at defeating elite characters such as Jacob, Garrus and random Krogan or Turians in a close quarters fight. No doubt.
Miranda? Not so much.
Against characters such as Grunt, Samara, Wrex and a healthy Thane, the odds would not look good at all.

Thats your opinion bro, as i have mine. I don't present my opinions as fact as some of you people do. You think They are better? Thats your opnion bruh. And not a good chance of killing miranda? He mortally wounds her if you didn't warn her apparently. Thats not opinion, thats fact.

Yes he is a very skilled and deadly sneak.  But most people could neutralize someone better then themselves or of "equal skill if met in open confrontation" given they had the element of surprise, the right intel about the target and effective equipment.

Modifié par Subject M, 17 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Subject M]

Friendly Hobo wrote...

If it was Kai Leng from the books, and no the dumbed down character in the game, undoubtedly it would be Kai Leng. As it stands in game though, Thane would wipe the floor with him.

Makes you wonder how Thane would have been described in the books....

[SithLordExarKun]

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...


And I already stated that being assassin can, a lot of the time, end up in a fight. Then there is the training.


[/quote]

So by your logic, being a great kick boxer means being a great pure boxer as well? Most of his training was to stealthy and kill his targets asap, not get into a brawl with them.

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
So? Still doesn't mean a damn thing. What may have been hard for her, could have been easy for Kai or Shep or Thane or Wrex or whoever. Still does not mean she fought it hand to hand. Why you keep mentioning this makes no sense. [/quote] I didn't anymore if you read.






[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
AHAHAHAHAH now your starting to amuse me. Grunt can easily kill a Krogan with his bear hands since he is a Krogan,
[/quote]  Which is less impressive than a Human being taking out a krogan in a straight up brawl.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Legion probably as well.
[/quote]  Prove it.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
And just because Kai could kill a Krogan with his bare hands means S.hit to their overall combat capabilities.
[/quote] Yeah, lets not forget than he could block bullets with his biotic skills as well. A human being taking on a krogan with his barehands DOES show his combat abilities regardless if you like it or not.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Jacob has better feats then he did during ME Galaxy. [/quote]
Which you have not listed any despite your claims of being the better debater with "proof".  
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Jack is straight up more powerful and Garrus has more skill. [/quote]  Biotics Bro. It was never argued KL was a great biotic. And garrys DOES have more skill as a sniper. But im talking about KL's H2H combat capabilities. 

Its a combination of his biotic mastery AND his H2H skills that gives him an edge over these characters.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
They are all better than Kai and have proven so in games and/or books.[/quote]  In your opinion bro, not fact. Your arguments just consist of "X has this, Y doesn't, therefore X > Y"



[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Nope. Him surviving. Mindless or not, a mob represents a threat. So does an army with advanced tech. And they aren't as mindless as the random husks we see. That we see for sure. [/quote]  Still doesn't prove that because of that thane >>>>> kai.


[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Only when said Sith lord has greater affinity to the force and when the fight was not finished. And I already know that age doesn't matter too much to them. But it does have an effect at times. They state that much themselves. The force can only do so much when ones natural senses wane due to age. And as both Jedi and Sith stress, you cannot rely completely on the force in that area for it can deceive you. Qui-gon says this to Obi. [/quote] Qui gon isn't infallible son. And out of universe sources states that age doesnt matter when one can call on the force to replnish his energy. 

Darth vader without the force wouldn't even be able  to walk.





[quote]CodyMelch wrote...

If by ignore you mean addressing them and then responding with greater feats done then..you need to learn what ignore means[/quote]. You have yet to list any "greater feats" son. Thats what i mean by ignoring.



[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Never said Mordin could beat him. Just that a Salarian killing a Krogan with a Farming tool is a greater feat. [/quote]. And how so?
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Also not biased to say that each party member is better when they have shown to have superior skill.
[/quote] A superior skill in one aspect. Jack is obviously superior in biotics, but she isn't shown to be the capable H2H fighter Kai has, so by your logic Kai >>>>>>>>> Jack. Thats basically your argument. You compare apples to oranges.


[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Hell as someone else stated, they were chosen to be part of Sheps team. Yet Kai was not. And he already has done a many great things already. [/quote] Ah yes, now im the one who needs to tell you to "l2read", iv already addressed that in another post.

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Wrong. You claimed that Kai was not injured at all. I said the otherwise. Would help your debating skills if you remember what you stated before. [/quote] And i proved it which you ignored.

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
...because she wasn't expecting him and was injured far more than otherwise? She even said that it was just a scratch. And we see her walk just fine. So...that basically throws her being "badly injured" out the window unless she was not loyal and/or was not warned.
[/quote] Which proves my point.
She had prep time to prepare for leng. If he wasn't the threat he was, why did she have to prepare for him in the first place?
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
An exaggeration. She was unsure of what would have happened and she only said that she took a few precautions. Nothing major as you seem to think.
[/quote] Her exact words were those son, you lose again.



[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
And once again your logic sucked. [/quote] As does yours. "A did X, but Y did not, therefore A >>>>>> Y".

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...

And apparently you don't know 2+2. It is still a priority target. And if he had her then it would be easy to kill her. Yet..didn't. He ran away.
 [/quote] He DID had her, if he didn't why couldn't SHE stop him? If TIM himself states that the priority was getting the data and that to only kill Miranda if she got in the way, how does that make her a priority?
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
And Miranda only had a scratch. Again not badly. Just a scratch. Again you exaggerate.
 [/quote]  Genetic modification accelerated healing.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
And her healing capabilities are not like Wolverines. If she was so badly wounded it would not have healed that quickly
 [/quote]  Substantial amount of time between the encounter with leng and shepard to touch down on horizon so plenty of time for her to heal.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
and if she was so badly wounded then there is no reason for kai not to kill her cause it would have been easy. But the thing it,
 [/quote]  Nobody said killing her was easy, the fact that she stated she only survived because of the warning pretty much proves she couldn't beat kai leng. Hell if you took a look at the security footage she was RUNNING away from him when he popped up.

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
he couldn't cause she kicked the s.hit out of him.
 [/quote]  Prove it.

[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Anyway, you ignore logic and come up with wild bs to support your arguements.
 [/quote]  Actually you need to think carefully, you were doing that most of the time.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
It became apparent to me that your a fanboy(i'd say fangirl but a women would be smarter than this,
 [/quote] Its you're, not your. Calling me a fanboy because i dont agree with you? Ok bro.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
if you are a women then for shame)as soon as you claimed that Kai was "way above any of their leagues" when the squad mates all have around the same level of skill just are better in certain areas.
 [/quote] Well now you're stating something compltely different.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
I'm done debating with you(If you could call it that seeing as you can't backup ANY of your claims and exaggerate and make up things as you go). [/quote] You're the one who didnt backup anything, just making wild claims.
[quote]CodyMelch wrote...
Have fun arguing with yourself. Just gonna ignore your posts for now on .
[/quote] Thank you 

[Subject M]

Stygian1 wrote...

Thane... Thane so much

It would not be a walk in the park though (quick and easy). Thane would actually have to work for it. No dout.

[Archontor]

SithySithSith aside I think we agree Thane could take him but what about non assassins, I figure Garrus, after all he's survived could take him, Mordin because he's crazy and intelligent.

Legion could probably take him too, Kai would have no experience with geth, their stronger and more durable and apparently being shot in the chest is no big deal. For the same reasons probably EDI-bot as well.

[Ham Solo]

You can see in the fight between the two that thane has the upper hand, but gets distracted towards the end. He gets thrown by Kai Leng, gets up rather quickly in a fluent move and evades Kai Lengs sword, then Thane brings Kai Leng down to the ground. He takes a considerably longer time to get up and wrap his head around what just happened. In the end Thane gets (most likely because of his illness) distracted, can't concentrate anymore and takes a hit he would have evaded in full health.

Modifié par Ham Solo, 17 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[tucsondoug]

Thane, hands down, considering how much of a fight he put up even while dying.

[DS_Abe]

Kinetic barriers + aircraft + thousand or so of thugs < Thane in full health.

Thane would've necksnapped the aircraft, crashed it into Kai Leng's lackeys and gazed at him till he died.

[jbauck]

Healthy Thane. Why is this even a question?

[Dragoonlordz]

Thane (imho), in fact most of my dislike and hate towards KL was because he killed cost Thane his life.

[Artking3]

Thane could barely breathe by the time he faced Kai Leng, and still gave a good accounting of himself. Imagine what he could do at full strength.