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People pick the details but don't see the whole picture. So, there is how I understand the whole story and why I think the ending is very good:


You, Shepard, are here to solve a big problem that you don't even understand before the end. Which is this problem?

The main problem of the ME Universe is that organic life creates syntetic life then tries to destroy it. Always. It's like an axiom in this ME Universe, you have to trust Reapers (and Bioware writers) on that. Syntetic life is like organic life, but it is not limited by the body. Most important thing it is immortal. So any AI can evolve as much as they can, because they don't have time constraints. Because of that they are immensely superior. Also, they don't have emotions, at least not much. So we have this hopeless and very very ancient war, that's our problem.


(Don't say that you didn't see that coming because you fight syntetics in all 3 ME games. Reapers, Geth, husks, indoctrinated people, ...)


AIs are like Legion, they don't really need to fight but they will protect their life. So some ancient AI found a solution: a way to unify synthetic and organic life. The problem with this solution is that AIs don't want to unify themselves with some retards (would you like to unify yourself with your pocket calculator?) Also, they don't want to make a choice themselves, maybe they don't have consensus or something. Also, they don't want to force organics.


So, they gave organics a test: evolve enogh and you will have a choice what to do. To pass the test you have to build a big stick, put it on the Citadel and press a button. That's all. Then you will have 3 choices. You have 50000 years to do it, now go and evolve. Every 50k years we (Reapers) will come and give you an exam. When you fail we will copy your software and some DNA into a new reaper then use you for some purpose. 

The Citadel, the little boy, is like the examiner who will judge you. That's why it doesn't inferfere.


And Shepard was the first organic to do it, unify everybody to build the stick and arrive to the exam to press a button.


About 3 choices: it's a part of the exam,  only one choice is correct. 


If you choose to destroy or control the Reapers, then the problem will rise again sooner or later. Synthetics will always evolve into AI and the war will start again, eventually new Reapers will be created and so on. 


If you choose to unify both races then there will be no war anymore and only one form of life that will inherit best parts of both forms. Something like immortal people with all their emotions.


So, to ensure that you really really gave the answer you have right to only one answer, after you die. (If you don't choose you die too, as every 50000 years)


That's my view of this story and that's why I believe the ending is perfect, despite some minor problems, like no helmets...

Modifié par vertigo72, 17 mars 2012 - 01:32 .


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But that's not what they promised.

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There are many, many posts explaining just why those problems aren't so "minor". But it's cool that you were happy with the way things turned out. I certainly wish I was.

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Doctor Uburian wrote...

But that's not what they promised.


What they promised?

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Plaim wrote...

There are many, many posts explaining just why those problems aren't so "minor". But it's cool that you were happy with the way things turned out. I certainly wish I was.


I didn't see yet any very important plot hole. I can see now that Bioware had an idea and implemented it in 3 huge games. The thing is so huge that I think it's normal that we have some errors and some things was sacrified for some reason, like nice view on the Earth from space without helmet.

Modifié par vertigo72, 17 mars 2012 - 01:36 .


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Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.

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vertigo72 wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

But that's not what they promised.


What they promised?


What they promised not to do? 

Exactly what they have done.

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vertigo72 wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

But that's not what they promised.


What they promised?


*sigh*
http://www.gameinfor...x=2&PageIndex=2

With the ending in Mass Effect 2, there were so many different
variables and possibilities for the outcome and what could happen. As
players reached the end, they started comparing notes and trying to
figure out how it worked. A few months after it came out, we ran a chart in the magazine
that showed the layout of how to get the different endings and how
things happened. Is that same type of complexity built into the ending
of Mass Effect 3?


Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build
the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually
tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end
with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At
this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way
like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings
there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are
different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about
who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way
down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left
your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in
them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a
chart for that. Even with Mass Effect 2’s...


Modifié par irishScott3, 17 mars 2012 - 01:37 .


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Someone call Batman and tell him i need an explanation on the teleporting crew members.

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To OP - I am happy for you that you appreciate and can relate to the synthesis ending.

I personally can not relate to it and will never choose it.

The problem is that you have to make a lot of assumptions about what Synthesis means and what its consequences are. Your conslusions are positive and that is good.

By my view is different. I see the universe being more akin to the aftermatch of Invasion of the Body Snatchers which to me is a defeat.

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Kronner wrote...

Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.


Not sure if I understand. If you choose to unify there will be no war because there will be no organics and no synthetics but a new form of life. Probably there will be some new war, but not his one.

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irishScott3 wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

But that's not what they promised.


What they promised?


*sigh*
http://www.gameinfor...x=2&PageIndex=2

With the ending in Mass Effect 2, there were so many different
variables and possibilities for the outcome and what could happen. As
players reached the end, they started comparing notes and trying to
figure out how it worked. A few months after it came out, we ran a chart in the magazine
that showed the layout of how to get the different endings and how
things happened. Is that same type of complexity built into the ending
of Mass Effect 3?


Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build
the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually
tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end
with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At
this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way
like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings
there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are
different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about
who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way
down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left
your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in
them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a
chart for that. Even with Mass Effect 2’s...



Ending of ME2 was very simple: you destroy the Collector base or not. It wasn't even a blue or red answer. I don't see any diffence. And you can also loose people in ME3, i lost Tali.

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You should Keep for yourself that you like the End, and not go too Deep in the Reasons why the most hate it. Because you could change your mind about that and start hate it like me.

I try to Save you. Really.

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vertigo72 wrote...

Plaim wrote...

There are many, many posts explaining just why those problems aren't so "minor". But it's cool that you were happy with the way things turned out. I certainly wish I was.


I didn't see yet any very important plot hole. I can see now that Bioware had an idea and implemented it in 3 huge games. The thing is so huge that I think it's normal that we have some errors and some things was sacrified for some reason, like nice view on the Earth from space without helmet.


I can understand sacrificing things like needing helmets for the sake of the spectacle, but things like the Normandy randomly fleeing, your squadmates somehow teleporting aboard, and the way Shepard is so uncharacteristically complacent just frustrate me when I think about how tight and consistent the plot was until that point.

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vertigo72 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.


Not sure if I understand. If you choose to unify there will be no war because there will be no organics and no synthetics but a new form of life. Probably there will be some new war, but not his one.


But those species didn't chose to ¨evolve¨!

It's their decisison, not the Starchild's or Shepards decision.

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Motherlander wrote...

To OP - I am happy for you that you appreciate and can relate to the synthesis ending.

I personally can not relate to it and will never choose it.

The problem is that you have to make a lot of assumptions about what Synthesis means and what its consequences are. Your conslusions are positive and that is good.

By my view is different. I see the universe being more akin to the aftermatch of Invasion of the Body Snatchers which to me is a defeat.



It is good because it solves the main problem of ME3 universe and life can advance and evolve even more. Also, Joker and EDI are the same life form now, they can make babies (maybe)

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I'm not going to go over this again, read the topics that explain this properly.
The ending was garbage. If you support this ending, then prepare for more of the same.
As for me? I'll be done with BioWare. Never again.

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vertigo72 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.


Not sure if I understand. If you choose to unify there will be no war because there will be no organics and no synthetics but a new form of life. Probably there will be some new war, but not his one.


What evidence do you have for the "synthetics will wipe out all organics" claim? Geth merely defended themselves and as soon as quarians pulled their heads outta their asses, the war was over. Shepard does not have the right to change everyone's lifeform. It's ridiculous. Though I personally would not mind, I would never be able to make this decision for EVERYONE in the galaxy.

The Guardian is full of ****. That much is obvious. And Destroy is the only ending he does not want you to take. 

Modifié par Kronner, 17 mars 2012 - 01:45 .


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vertigo72 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.


Not sure if I understand. If you choose to unify there will be no war because there will be no organics and no synthetics but a new form of life. Probably there will be some new war, but not his one.


How would that be different from forcing all non-white people to become white (or vice versa) so there would be no more racism? Do you force millions of people to change who they are because a minority can't live with diversity? AI's and organics stood united against the reapers, there WAS hope. But we were forced to adhere to godchilds 'final solution'.

It still makes me sick to the stomach.

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Doctor Uburian wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.


Not sure if I understand. If you choose to unify there will be no war because there will be no organics and no synthetics but a new form of life. Probably there will be some new war, but not his one.


But those species didn't chose to ¨evolve¨!

It's their decisison, not the Starchild's or Shepards decision.


They trust him, it's like a democracy. But if you don't think so you can just destroy Reapers or do nothing. Plenty of choices.

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vertigo72 wrote...

Motherlander wrote...

To OP - I am happy for you that you appreciate and can relate to the synthesis ending.

I personally can not relate to it and will never choose it.

The problem is that you have to make a lot of assumptions about what Synthesis means and what its consequences are. Your conslusions are positive and that is good.

By my view is different. I see the universe being more akin to the aftermatch of Invasion of the Body Snatchers which to me is a defeat.



It is good because it solves the main problem of ME3 universe and life can advance and evolve even more. Also, Joker and EDI are the same life form now, they can make babies (maybe)


Alright you see that's the problem here.
You buy into this garbage logic unquestioningly.

And no, EDI is still synthetic with glowy bits. Nothing has changed.

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Interesting. not bad actually...I just wish shiny boy's exam gave me more choices to pass the test that didnt include genocide and vaporizing all life in the galaxy.

I mean, in the game I could actually follow shiny boys logic, that they (the reapers) had ascended themselves, and were just trying to help us all out. you know...thats their opinion...and they have the power to make it happen.

what confused me at that point...was the 3 choices, led to only THEIR idea of what should be.

my shepard wasnt able to contribute in any meaningful way to the fate of the galaxy that could be seen as in line with his/her personality, (ie..my personality)

so it came off to me as "big strong reapers, out of touch with the galaxy, wont listen to reason, will implement ANOTHER solution to solve an already messed up issue"

since my shepard had proved already that synth and organics can get along...to me..the reaper should have said...you know...maybe you are right...hmmm..lets stop reaping for a second and talk about our options"

but all I got was 3 colors and the option to vaporize all life in the galaxy

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Edje Edgar wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.


Not sure if I understand. If you choose to unify there will be no war because there will be no organics and no synthetics but a new form of life. Probably there will be some new war, but not his one.


How would that be different from forcing all non-white people to become white (or vice versa) so there would be no more racism? Do you force millions of people to change who they are because a minority can't live with diversity? AI's and organics stood united against the reapers, there WAS hope. But we were forced to adhere to godchilds 'final solution'.

It still makes me sick to the stomach.


Shepard doesn't represent humans, he represent organics. But, again, it's a difficult problem and you always have a choice to destroy/rewrite Reapers or just do nothing.

Modifié par vertigo72, 17 mars 2012 - 01:46 .


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The Angry One wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Motherlander wrote...

To OP - I am happy for you that you appreciate and can relate to the synthesis ending.

I personally can not relate to it and will never choose it.

The problem is that you have to make a lot of assumptions about what Synthesis means and what its consequences are. Your conslusions are positive and that is good.

By my view is different. I see the universe being more akin to the aftermatch of Invasion of the Body Snatchers which to me is a defeat.



It is good because it solves the main problem of ME3 universe and life can advance and evolve even more. Also, Joker and EDI are the same life form now, they can make babies (maybe)


Alright you see that's the problem here.
You buy into this garbage logic unquestioningly.

And no, EDI is still synthetic with glowy bits. Nothing has changed.



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Congratulations! It's 1million topic about "ending is good- you don't understand it!". Only thing that matters is- Bioware lied to us. They promised sth completely different. Even if I'd get 10k endings to CHOOSE at the end I'd be angry. Why? Because ending was supposed to be result of every choice I made during ME1-ME3. CONSEQUENTION of my choices.