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[vertigo72]

The Angry One wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Motherlander wrote...

To OP - I am happy for you that you appreciate and can relate to the synthesis ending.

I personally can not relate to it and will never choose it.

The problem is that you have to make a lot of assumptions about what Synthesis means and what its consequences are. Your conslusions are positive and that is good.

By my view is different. I see the universe being more akin to the aftermatch of Invasion of the Body Snatchers which to me is a defeat.

It is good because it solves the main problem of ME3 universe and life can advance and evolve even more. Also, Joker and EDI are the same life form now, they can make babies (maybe)

Alright you see that's the problem here.
You buy into this garbage logic unquestioningly.

And no, EDI is still synthetic with glowy bits. Nothing has changed.

Now why it's garbage? I'm talking about the middle answer, Jooker, EDI, even plants was rewritten, they all have glowy bits.

[Killer3000ad]

The mere fact the Quarians and Geth can be at peace with it each other refutes the Reapers' logic. Whatever later trials come, they galaxy deserves a chance to iron it out themselves rather than having a race of monsters forcibly incorporate them into Reaper form every 50,000 years. It all boils down to the Reapers thinking they know best, which they clearly don't.

[vertigo72]

Demonburnt wrote...

Someone call Batman and tell him i need an explanation on the teleporting crew members.

By quantum FTL effect. 

[vertigo72]

Killer3000ad wrote...

The mere fact the Quarians and Geth can be at peace with it each other refutes the Reapers' logic. Whatever later trials come, they galaxy deserves a chance to iron it out themselves rather than having a race of monsters forcibly incorporate them into Reaper form every 50,000 years. It all boils down to the Reapers thinking they know best, which they clearly don't.

We only seen few days of this peace, but Reapers logic is thousands or millions years old.

[zarnk567]

vertigo72 wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

But that's not what they promised.

What they promised?

.......(sigh) read the 60 other ending threads..... jesus.....

[xtorma]

vertigo72 wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Three words: geth, quarians, peace.

Destroy is the only right answer. The Guardian is full of **** and the red magic obviously does not kill geth.

Not sure if I understand. If you choose to unify there will be no war because there will be no organics and no synthetics but a new form of life. Probably there will be some new war, but not his one.

But those species didn't chose to ¨evolve¨!

It's their decisison, not the Starchild's or Shepards decision.

They trust him, it's like a democracy. But if you don't think so you can just destroy Reapers or do nothing. Plenty of choices.

I'm glad you are happy with the endings.

[spartan5127]

If there is a problem between organics and synthetics is not a hardware one, it is mental one.
They think differently. To think that making everyone have the same dna will change anything about this conflict is not in line with what will actually happen.

Unless synthesis changes their way of thinking, in which case, I had no right to make the decision because I am effectively destroying who they are.

This is disregarding the fact that synthetics and organics actually can get along and can work out their differences the same way that any two peoples can work out their differences

Modifié par spartan5127, 17 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[vertigo72]

Pairikas wrote...

You should Keep for yourself that you like the End, and not go too Deep in the Reasons why the most hate it. Because you could change your mind about that and start hate it like me.

I try to Save you. Really.

I don't see why I will start to hate it, it's a good story. I was affraid of a bs happy end but was actually surprised how good it is. And rather happy too. 

[sadako]

Why I believe the ending is correct:

1) Shepard dies. C'mon people we must have a TRAGIC ENDING!

2) Crew lives, magically picked up, apparently explosions now also can do FTL travel (or Joker was not doing FTL when escaping from the explosion. Apparently his best piloting skills went down the drain when he panicked, unlike in ME2.

3) The explosion/color had no effect on people and objects on planet earth, but affects normandy. Selective destruction. What a cool weapon!

4) The God Child is legit element! How can it not be! Most of us are religious here! There must be a god, you atheist bastards!

/sarcasm in case you haven't noticed yet.

Modifié par sadako, 17 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[crazygrinner]

vertigo72 wrote...

Demonburnt wrote...

Someone call Batman and tell him i need an explanation on the teleporting crew members.

By quantum FTL effect. 

What.  That's not an explaination.

Please Expand.

[xtorma]

vertigo72 wrote...

Killer3000ad wrote...

The mere fact the Quarians and Geth can be at peace with it each other refutes the Reapers' logic. Whatever later trials come, they galaxy deserves a chance to iron it out themselves rather than having a race of monsters forcibly incorporate them into Reaper form every 50,000 years. It all boils down to the Reapers thinking they know best, which they clearly don't.

We only seen few days of this peace, but Reapers logic is thousands or millions years old.

I haven't seen much peace coming from the reapers end there homey.

[Mixxer5]

vertigo72 wrote...

Killer3000ad wrote...

The mere fact the Quarians and Geth can be at peace with it each other refutes the Reapers' logic. Whatever later trials come, they galaxy deserves a chance to iron it out themselves rather than having a race of monsters forcibly incorporate them into Reaper form every 50,000 years. It all boils down to the Reapers thinking they know best, which they clearly don't.

We only seen few days of this peace, but Reapers logic is thousands or millions years old.

So WHAT? Never mind how old are you- there'e always sth that can surprise you. When reapers were made they wasn't already 100 millions year old. And yet they was harvesting. No it's stupid assumption.

[Kataigida]

OP - Below I have provided a link that contains a list of opinions based on logical assumptions about the ending, and why it doesn't give the players closure. Also, don't forget that by choosing Synthesis, you are basically forcing everyone to conform to your will. In that sense, pretty much all of your endings can be bad, because you don't know what 'harmony' will really mean. Sure, a mystery might be part of the fun, but I'd rather not doom all life across the galaxy on the small chance that the god-child-ai is lying or that I have no clue what the hell is going to happen when everything 'becomes one.'

http://social.biowar.../index/10061480

To make it easier, you can skip to the part about the Quarians and the Geth, the Mass Relays, and Galaxtic Readiness.

Since Tali died in yours, I'm going to assume you saved the Geth and left the Quarians to die. In that case, the logic still stands on the Quarians and Geth, as long as you factor out the Quarians.

[The Angry One]

vertigo72 wrote...

Now why it's garbage? I'm talking about the middle answer, Jooker, EDI, even plants was rewritten, they all have glowy bits.

So? Plants are still plants. Humans are still humans. Machines are still machines.
It literally changes nothing, other than everyone has glowy bits.

[vertigo72]

spartan5127 wrote...

If there is a problem between organics and synthetics is not a hardware one, it is mental one.
They think differently. To think that make everyone have the same dna will change anything about this conflict is not in line with what will actually happen.

Unless synthesis changes their way of thinking, in which case, I had no right to make the decision because I am effectively destroying who they are.

This is disregarding the fact that synthetics and organics actually can get along and can work out their differences the same way that any two peoples can work out their differences

After synthesis there will be no organics nor synthetics. There will be a completely new form of life. That's the great point of the ending. You are like half god, you create new life but don't exactly know how it will work. Nobody knows. You litteraly jump into this solution. 

[Killer3000ad]

vertigo72 wrote...

Killer3000ad wrote...

The mere fact the Quarians and Geth can be at peace with it each other refutes the Reapers' logic. Whatever later trials come, they galaxy deserves a chance to iron it out themselves rather than having a race of monsters forcibly incorporate them into Reaper form every 50,000 years. It all boils down to the Reapers thinking they know best, which they clearly don't.

We only seen few days of this peace, but Reapers logic is thousands or millions years old.

And the Reapers have been reaping for how many cycles? They never ever gave any other civilization the chance to come up with a different solution to their belief that synthetics will always fight reapers. They wipe out civilizations before they believe it might be a problem. Can you see the problem then? That Shep just takes the Starchild's words hook, line and sinker? At the end of the day, with the current endings, the galaxy was still subject to the Reapers' flawed logic and their smug sense of superiority that they, like a bloody god, knows whats best for everyone.

[_Flipp_]

Dude I'm not pissed at the ending because starchild didn't offer some cake... I'm just pissed because I know my crew is going to starve ( or go into cannibalism ) on some random crappy rainforest planet while the whole galactic fleet got blown out of the sol system by the colorful shockwave.

Modifié par _Flipp_, 17 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[vertigo72]

The Angry One wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Now why it's garbage? I'm talking about the middle answer, Jooker, EDI, even plants was rewritten, they all have glowy bits.

So? Plants are still plants. Humans are still humans. Machines are still machines.
It literally changes nothing, other than everyone has glowy bits.

I'm sorry, I don't see it like this. There is no humans and no machines anymore, they are all unified. All life is unified, so nothing will evolve into some intellegent creature and create some new AI. It's a new form of life and their physical form is irrelevant.

[pharsti]

You can read what is wrong with the ending everywhere, literally, no need for me to go into details here.

But, to everyone who is perfectly fine with the ending i say this.
First, right now i am so envious of you its not even funny. Its good that you liked it. Its awesome that you can ignore some.... minor inconsistencies and rationalize the ending, its good that you didnt expect anything of what they promised... me? I can not.

Second, since you liked it.... so.... what was up with the Normandy and your squad >_>?

[Catroi]

I came to this thread knowing Tha Angry One would be here to give me a good laugh =)

Modifié par Catroi, 17 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[_Flipp_]

pharsti wrote...ionalize the ending, its good that you didnt expect anything of what they promised... me? I can not.

Second, since you liked it.... so.... what was up with the Normandy and your squad >_>?

Captain Kirk found a wormhole to fly into another alternative universe ( Mass Effect universe ) where he offered the normandy his beaming technology. The rest is self explaining then imo!

[vertigo72]

_Flipp_ wrote...

Dude I'm not pissed at the ending because starchild didn't offer some cake... I'm just pissed because I know my crew is going to starve ( or go into cannibalism ) on some random crappy rainforest planet while the whole galactic fleet got blown out of the sol system by the colorful shockwave.

That make sense for me. If you choose the synthesis answer they probably will solve the problem. They probably don't have to eat at all, they are 50% software. If not that's irrelevant because nothing is changed. I would killed them maybe, but well

[vertigo72]

pharsti wrote...

You can read what is wrong with the ending everywhere, literally, no need for me to go into details here.

But, to everyone who is perfectly fine with the ending i say this.
First, right now i am so envious of you its not even funny. Its good that you liked it. Its awesome that you can ignore some.... minor inconsistencies and rationalize the ending, its good that you didnt expect anything of what they promised... me? I can not.

Second, since you liked it.... so.... what was up with the Normandy and your squad >_>?

Normandy and squad was transported by a blast of green quantum ionic FTL field into a parallel universe. Or maybe it was Shepard's last dream, in fact they all dead. Or maybe some time passed between Shepard's death and their escape. Or maybe ... Why people want everything explained like in scool? Use your imagination. For me it's not very important because it happens after the logical end of the story.

Modifié par vertigo72, 17 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Bezabazabobo]

I never thought there was a "wrong" or "correct" choice. I just figured each choice represented what you believe would happen. You destroy if you believe singularity won't occur, control if you agree with the reapers, and synthesis if you believe that a merge would correct the "problem".

I think neither ending is a "wrong" one but simply the players' idea of what's best for the galaxy.

My personal issue is how the endings were executed, which I felt could have been better.

Modifié par Bezabazabobo, 17 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[The Angry One]

vertigo72 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Now why it's garbage? I'm talking about the middle answer, Jooker, EDI, even plants was rewritten, they all have glowy bits.

So? Plants are still plants. Humans are still humans. Machines are still machines.
It literally changes nothing, other than everyone has glowy bits.

I'm sorry, I don't see it like this. There is no humans and no machines anymore, they are all unified. All life is unified, so nothing will evolve into some intellegent creature and create some new AI. It's a new form of life and their physical form is irrelevant.

Oh really? Is the Normandy now the same kind of lifeform as a human?
Can it reproduce?
Can it eat?
If not then IT'S STILL DIFFERENT.

Hybrid creates machine.
Machine has AI.
AI kills hybrids.

Nothing changed.