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[augustburnt]

szkasypcze wrote...

I'll hold the Bioware line. All Bioware supporters - HOLD the line. Don't let the Whiners spoil our favourite game and future fun with Mass Effect 3. That's their goal. Somehow they don't understand the conclusion or do not want to understand. There are powers, that for some reason aim at destroying Mass Effect story. They are in unsignificant minority only very loud (numbers say it all. Just check sold copies/facebook likes ratio). Bioware has achieved sth that has never been achieved before in a gaming industry - a 5 year sci-fi story that changed with its fans and was shaped by them.

DON'T WASTE OUR FAVOURITE GAME!!!
DON'T SUPPORT!!!

Consumer Tools are tools. You lose nothing by gaing alternate endings yet for some reason you are so obsessed with the producer you dont understand that. You are the reason the fundamentals of capitalism need to be taught at an early age.

[szkasypcze]

SuperZombieChow wrote...

I am not boycotting Operation Goliath:

To those calling people who are dissatisfied with the ending "entitled whiners", I would like to point out that in any other industry being upset with the product and voicing your opinion is perfectly reasonable. If you go to a restaurant and order a 5 course dinner, with the promise of a chocolate cake desert, you expect to get what you ordered. If you then only to get a still shrink wrapped twinkie instead, there is nothing wrong with sending the desert back and demanding what was promised.

There were promises that your choices would make a difference, of distinct endings. Instead there are carbon stamped recolors of the same FMV sequence. This is unacceptable and a violation of the product as presented. Maybe you are perfectly happy with your Twinkie. Good for you. But those of us who are unhappy have every right to say so and demand the advertised product we paid for.

You may also lodge a claim to the Customer Rights Office. Did you do that?? If not , why didn't you??

[Farbautisonn]

The Razman wrote...

Even if I was ... I could just as easily ask you to do your campaigning in appropriate threads and forums instead of posting about it in pretty much every thread out there.

-Like you ?

[szkasypcze]

laughwithme wrote...

I don't support you. It's game, there's no need for a Revolution. Play, and enjoy it or don't.

YES

[Lensman86]

+1 to the OP

[naledgeborn is back]

augustburnt wrote...

You lose nothing by gaing alternate endings yet for some reason you are so obsessed with the producer you dont understand that.

Pretty much. 

[spirosz]

I'm assuming 95% of the people "holding the line" love the game till the last 10 minutes correct? It is a brilliant game IMO, but I can see the reasons for wanting another ending, even though I liked it. I'll HOLD THE LINE with my Salarian Engineer to support you guys!

[szkasypcze]

slygay200 wrote...

szkasypcze wrote...

slygay200 wrote...

szkasypcze wrote...

slygay200 wrote...

guy that made first post might be a troll after i saw some of craig's other posts he is attempting some pretty ridiculous stuff. anyway i support the idea.
Hold the line

I tell you he is just frustrated , he can't accept the reality, who has taken time out of his life, who is angry with Bioware and thus wants to put the World at peace.

DON'T SUPPORT!!!

Seems right so i did not fix it:D
anyway most players with intelligence of a monkey of the game do agree with the idea that the ending must be changed, just because there was a large amount of people who have the game and said nothing make the ending's supporters a majority it just means that the endings supporters are even higher in their numers, so please go off and call us a whiny minority we are and always were the minority.

Somehow I find you right.

your interpretation was heavily right and needed further support

Happy you agree.

Modifié par szkasypcze, 17 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[rollblows]

op g was the Straw that broke the camel's back im in

[naledgeborn is back]

spiros9110 wrote...

I'm assuming 95% of the people "holding the line" love the game till the last 10 minutes correct? It is a brilliant game IMO, but I can see the reasons for wanting another ending, even though I liked it. I'll HOLD THE LINE with my Salarian Engineer to support you guys!

What's happening B? Yeah pretty much. I'm OT so it's not like I can play anyway. But yeah, the last ten minutes. I just want the "WTF? <_<" to go away.

[The Razman]

freshtoothpaste wrote...

The Razman wrote...

freshtoothpaste wrote...
I think you're pretty clearly spending time campaigning on a message board, to tell other people on a message board, that their message board campaign is a waste of time. But that's cool.

By that logic, you're pretty clearly campaigning against people campaigning against people campaigning.

I ain't organising any movement, unlike the "Hold The Line" people. I'm just expressing views on a board, same as any other board, same as any blog. Talking is not campaigning, otherwise you can level that accusation at anyone.

Well, the only thing I'm doing, like a lot of other people are doing, is posting messages on the bio ware forum, saying what they think on the forums, in the form of Internet message board posts. We're also sending money to charity, and posting in some other sites. Like, this initial thread was just a message board post. But you called that a campaign, and said we were campaigning, so I thought, ok, you must mean all of this is a campaign. But if that's true, that's also what you're doing. And you don't need my permission to do your campaign, or not campaign, or whatever.  I think it's weird that you see a difference, but that's cool.

Long live Marauder Shields!

It's a good try, but it's dependent on a diffusion of responsibility and leadership. There are people organising an actual campaign in this. And as such what you're doing is supporting it.

Me, I'm just one guy. Posting his opinion and not expecting anything to come of it. Hardly a campaign. So no, I think that's all that needs to be said about that.

[Random citizen]

Count me in.

Like so many others, I loved the game right up until the end.

[kbct]

The Razman wrote...

Me, I'm just one guy. Posting his opinion and not expecting anything to come of it. Hardly a campaign. So no, I think that's all that needs to be said about that.

You're trying to plug all the holes in the dike that is about to break. You've gotta be everywhere at the same time. It won't work, but you are trying.

Modifié par kbct, 17 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[razgriz127]

Hold the line. What would Shepard do? Would he go silently into the night? No way. Time to hit the paragon/renegade interrupt and fix this ending.

[Elhanan]

freshtoothpaste wrote...

I am pretty sure no one here needs your permission or approval to support a charity. And also whether or not you want to give to a charity is up to you. 

Here's a link for one that we like - maybe you could post a link for one you like? 

retakemasseffect.chipin.com/retake-mass-effect-childs-play

I mean, nothing is stopping you from organizing people to support something you feel is more important.

Hold the line?! Sorry; more like hold my nose....

While I support this charity idea to try and influence a change, the 'Demand' methodology, as well as those that are purposely tanking their reviews stinks, IMO.

I encourage those that wish to influence a different conclusion to go elsewhere (eg; like the charity), and depart outside the Occupy Wading Pool areas for a more mature solution.

[AJRimmsey]

Elhanan wrote...

freshtoothpaste wrote...

I am pretty sure no one here needs your permission or approval to support a charity. And also whether or not you want to give to a charity is up to you. 

Here's a link for one that we like - maybe you could post a link for one you like? 

retakemasseffect.chipin.com/retake-mass-effect-childs-play

I mean, nothing is stopping you from organizing people to support something you feel is more important.

Hold the line?! Sorry; more like hold my nose....

While I support this charity idea to try and influence a change, the 'Demand' methodology, as well as those that are purposely tanking their reviews stinks, IMO.

I encourage those that wish to influence a different conclusion to go elsewhere (eg; like the charity), and depart outside the Occupy Wading Pool areas for a more mature solution.

makes me wonder who`s idea using a charity to get peoples money over a game ending was ?

did somebody just used the charity to get money,its been done before and should be reported to charity investigations.

did they see a chance and leap on it ?

[freshtoothpaste]

razgriz127 wrote...

Hold the line. What would Shepard do? Would he go silently into the night? No way. Time to hit the paragon/renegade interrupt and fix this ending.

Hold the line!

[Elhanan]

AJRimmsey wrote...

makes me wonder who`s idea using a charity to get peoples money over a game ending was ?

did somebody just used the charity to get money,its been done before and should be reported to charity investigations.

did they see a chance and leap on it ?

While I would have pref to have seen a charity for a more adult cause (eg; American Red Cross), one may seemingly check into the actual charity for further verification.

[Tazzmission]

funny seeing as you dont fight for me op

again dont assume you speak for every gamer

[AJRimmsey]

Elhanan wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

makes me wonder who`s idea using a charity to get peoples money over a game ending was ?

did somebody just used the charity to get money,its been done before and should be reported to charity investigations.

did they see a chance and leap on it ?

While I would have pref to have seen a charity for a more adult cause (eg; American Red Cross), one may seemingly check into the actual charity for further verification.

Just sent the email.
One thing that countrys government is good at is investigating fraud.

such a silly cause being used to grasp money sort of irks me.

[Shinobu]

@OP I am disappointed in the ending of ME3 and am a firm supporter of the Retake ME3 movement. However, I feel your post is unecessarily inflammatory -- more likely to attract trolls and vitriol than to be constructive.

Craigonator wrote...

The Retake movement has just begun to organize and is asking everyone that supports the movement to Boycott Operation Goliath in a show of solidarity against the bad decision that Bioware made.  

You all were screaming for a movement without saying it. 

There was Anger without focus.

There was sadness without an outlet.

Not true. The Child's Play petition is a perfect way for us to focus our energy into protesting and yet do something positive.

 

Craigonator wrote...

Now this is the place for us to Gather for support   and show solidarity becuase we were wronged . 

Everyone Here must understand this is not only a fight for Mass Effect 3 but this is a fight for every Gamer in existence.  When a company decides that it can betray it's fans and think they can get away with it is when this is serious.

The Day 1 DLC is evidence of this.

The Promises that were Given to us were broken.

This is the sort of rhetoric that gives people with legitimate concerns the appearance of being "whiny, entitled brats." If we want to stop being called that, we have to scrupulously refrain from using language like "we were wronged" and "they betrayed us." Truthfully, they gave us a pretty fantastic game with a hideous fatal flaw at the end. The main thing that was wronged was the integrity of the narrative. Yes, we were VERY DISAPPOINTED and we're making ourselves heard. Also, "a fight for every gamer in existence" is just way over the top. This isn't the Civil Rights Era, and none of us is Martin Luther King Jr. Trying to inflate our importance is just going to invite jeers.

Craigonator wrote...

We were called Whiney Entitled children by the companies and reviewers that we used to trust!!  Despite the Fact that most of us are Well Educated members of society!

The fact that many of us are educated in no way refutes the charge that we "are behaving like whiny or entitled children." This just makes detractors believe we are illogical as well as "whiny." Capitalizing words and using multiple exclamation points actually makes us seem uneducated. The only way to refute the charge is to behave in an adult manner.

Craigonator wrote...

LET US SHOW Them that we are not going to let them take away what makes our games so Great!

HOLD THE LINE!

Bioware.  I am sorry this had to come to this.  I used to support you just like so many fans used to support you.  Now that some of the Angry Raging is over We are organizing and with organization comes organized results.  And we have the Numbers to have people listen to our Plight.

Ok, good sentiments, but again the execution is too exciteable. The random capitalization makes this seem like an 1800's newspaper headline. "Plight" sounds like we're being tied to railroad tracks while Bioware twirls its mustachioes at us.

Craigonator wrote...

 Details can be found at the Facebook site. 

http://www.facebook....ngToMassEffect3

There is also a letter campaign effective for today as well to highlight your points to Bioware on what you did not like.
Keep it civil and easily understandable  We are organized now.  Focus that rage into constructive thought becuase this is a fight for all Video Games whether you realize it or not.  And it Starts with ME3. 

-Craigonator

This is the part that I can really get behind. I'm not trying to troll you, OP, I'm actually on your side. I just think that your post unintentionally gives the opposition ammunition.

[LinksOcarina]

Every time I see someone say hold the line, I keep thinking that you are all acting like cloacae a bit. . All of this is nothing but faux military bravado. You know, jargon, chest pounding...no offense or anything.

I personally think you should let BioWare do their job, and go home.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 17 mars 2012 - 06:21 .