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[HaesoME3]

Kai Hohiro wrote...

HaesoME3 wrote...

Salarian Infiltrator would like a word with you, Human. ED > Cryo or sticky grenade.

Not really, Cryo is better. ED is a great ability but doesnt offer much against reapers.

Human infiltrator with cloak for free ability, cryo specced for armor damage and geth plasma shotgun is one of the best if not THE best class to bring, since they two shot brutes even on gold.

Brutes and ravagers are a joke, and they only two shot with charge attacks - in the time it takes to charge two shots I can kill a ravager with a black widow from anywhere on the map or get a brute to 2 bars then reload clip with tac cloak.

Cryo is pointless on anything but the banshee which cryo does little to, they all die so quickly - by the time cryo reaches a brute across the map a sniper could have killed it already. I'd rather have 2 EDs than a cryo -> incinerate. for banshees.

[Kai Hohiro]

HaesoME3 wrote...

Brutes and ravagers are a joke, and they only two shot with charge attacks - in the time it takes to charge two shots I can kill a ravager with a black widow from anywhere on the map or get a brute to 2 bars then reload clip with tac cloak.

Cryo is pointless on anything but the banshee which cryo does little to, they all die so quickly - by the time cryo reaches a brute across the map a sniper could have killed it already. I'd rather have 2 EDs than a cryo -> incinerate. for banshees.

Well our teams infiltrator never needs to reload to kill something
The trick is to charge the shotgun, then hit cloak, then you do cryo, release charge shot and then do the second volley and it will kill anything with armor. And due to the shotguns semi auto aim capabilities it will do that at almost any range.

I don't doubt your effectiveness, nor am I saying that ED is terribad. But the human inf in my crew is basically a WMD from my experience. He is also a former quake3 progamer and is skillful of course, but he and I compared his damage when he played salarian inf vs human inf and the human always came out on top.

I don't doubt you are great with the salarian inf, and if that works for you best than that is great and that is what is most important. In the end a player needs to find the classes and weapons that suit him best that's the real key to success

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 18 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[Richard0600]

Close quarter infiltrator.. now that is an interesting thought.. I can see why cryo would work on this build.

But from a distance energy drain > cryo by far. As HaesoME3 mentioned cryo moves way too slow to be effective at long range. I can see the bonuses of Cryo in close quarter combat.. Cryo + Cloaked Shotgun I am sure is a deadly combo..

But I still think ED wins (Shield Recharge + Damage Absorption). Consider this you go in close to shotgun.. prob get hit in the process.. you shoot.. cloak.. (assuming you have the skill to let you use a skill while cloaked).. You energy drain.. to recharge shields + damage absorption.. shoot again.. recloak..

Where as if you had cryo your shields would still be gone when you come out of cloak for your 2nd shot.. assuming it is 1v1 you will probably be ok.. but that is rarely the case on gold... there will probably be 2-4 other things shooting at you.. which can be fatal.

Personally.. Infiltrators in my opinion should prob stick with widows on gold.. too much of a glass canon to be running around close quarter..

[Kai Hohiro]

Richard0600 wrote...

Close quarter infiltrator.. now that is an interesting thought.. I can see why cryo would work on this build.

But from a distance energy drain > cryo by far. As HaesoME3 mentioned cryo moves way too slow to be effective at long range. I can see the bonuses of Cryo in close quarter combat.. Cryo + Cloaked Shotgun I am sure is a deadly combo..

But I still think ED wins (Shield Recharge + Damage Absorption). Consider this you go in close to shotgun.. prob get hit in the process.. you shoot.. cloak.. (assuming you have the skill to let you use a skill while cloaked).. You energy drain.. to recharge shields + damage absorption.. shoot again.. recloak..

Where as if you had cryo your shields would still be gone when you come out of cloak for your 2nd shot.. assuming it is 1v1 you will probably be ok.. but that is rarely the case on gold... there will probably be 2-4 other things shooting at you.. which can be fatal.

Personally.. Infiltrators in my opinion should prob stick with widows on gold.. too much of a glass canon to be running around close quarter..

CQC infiltrator is something common. Alotta good infiltrators use claymores and geth plasma shotguns on gold.
The problem with snipers is that once they hit a barrier or shield it will absorb the entire damage on gold. Shotguns dont suffer from that, they will continue to do damage past defenses since each pellet is calculated seperately. 
So a cloaked inf with a shotgun will oneshot nearly anthing even if it still has defenses up.

And again, we waltz through any encounter and our human inf is one of the people to die the least
He is never exposted because he is still cloaked when he does his second shot (which will generally always kill whatever is infront of him). And again a geth plasmashotgun is not a close range weapon really.

And cryo supports your own damage, it slows the target, it supports the damage of your teammates and in particular it supports your engineers incinerate.
It is a great ability when used properly and people vastly underestimate it's synergies.

And if you want to see a good application of the geth shotgun you should watch the two man reaper gold video. The Krogan player in it uses it. Now imagine the damage he is doing is pretty much double due to cloak and cryo. Nothing survives.

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 18 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Richard0600]

Mmm fair enough.. it would be nice to get some reference for this play style...
whether it be screenshot or video. I don't recall ever seeing a human infiltrator..
prob one of the least played classes.. and I speculate it is only played because
the user does not have salarian/quarian unlocked.. more or less a CQC one..

I'll definitely give this a whirl since I haven't even touched my M/F human infil...

Modifié par Richard0600, 18 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Kai Hohiro]

Richard0600 wrote...

Mmm fair enough.. it would be nice to get some reference for this play style... whether it be screenshot or video. I don't recall ever seeing a human infiltrator.. prob one of the least played
classes.. and I speculate it is only played because the user does not have salarian/quarian
unlocked.. more or less a CQC one..

I'll definitely give this a whirl since I haven't even touched my M/F human infil...

Err we have everything unlocked, all races, between our crew all weapons and we have played pretty much all classes on gold, we know what works
You can look at my profile, I have the veteran and unwavering archivements, and haven't beat singleplayer (which you can see due to my archivements). While that doesn't mean much, that's the least I can offer that much to show that I am not entirely just running my mouth
I have def considered frapsing some games of our crew, will have to do that sometime.

So yeah alotta classes are severaly underestimated, especially the human one likes infiltrator and sentinel, which we've used to great effect. I would heavily recommend giving them a try.

I just like to point out that there are classes aside of the FOTM ones that don't get the love they deserve, just because their capabilities and powers are not quite as obvious as some of the others

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 18 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Dillon79]

to all recommending less adepts they are stomping gold reaper in 23 minutes i dont see a problem with their setup. personally i have used this method too and its 2 spam reave 2 spam warp biotic explosion on all focus targets every .5 seconds what more can you ask for

[Richard0600]

Kai Hohiro wrote...

and haven't beat singleplayer..

That is all I read.. How can you buy Mass Effect and not play single player.. this should be a crime..

Human sentinels are not underestimated.. that class is essentially asari adept.. trading stasis for tech armor..

Modifié par Richard0600, 18 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Kai Hohiro]

Richard0600 wrote...

Kai Hohiro wrote...

and haven't beat singleplayer..

That is all I read.. How can you buy Mass Effect and not play single player.. this should be a crime..

Human sentinels are not underestimated.. that class is essentially asari adept.. trading stasis for tech armor..

When I get home from work I always say "alright youre just gonna play sp", but then always get tied up in mp
Actually a few people I play gold regularly with haven't beaten sp.

And you'll see alotta posts saying human sentinels are bad, but usually by people who well...lack profiency.
I mean you can debate of the Asari or Sentinel is better, but you can't deny the fact that the human Sentinel in itself is a fantastic class compared to the others.

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 18 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Richard0600]

Kai Hohiro wrote...

Richard0600 wrote...

Kai Hohiro wrote...

and haven't beat singleplayer..

That is all I read.. How can you buy Mass Effect and not play single player.. this should be a crime..

Human sentinels are not underestimated.. that class is essentially asari adept.. trading stasis for tech armor..

When I get home from work I always say "alright youre just gonna play sp", but then always get tied up in mp
Actually a few people I play gold regularly with haven't beaten sp.

And you'll see alotta posts saying human sentinels are bad, but usually by people who well...lack profiency.
I mean you can debate of the Asari or Sentinel is better, but you can't deny the fact that the human Sentinel in itself is a fantastic class compared to the others.

I would say the human sentinel is a worthy subsitute for Asari Adept.. If you don't have it unlocked.. But a replacement I would beg to differ. Tech armor is practically useless, 3 points in stasis would be much better.

[Wheatax]

Human sentinel is a great class especially against the reapers. In fact I prefer playing it rather than adepts but that's just me. Basically none of the classes are too OP. Each has its own strength and weaknesses. Biotics might be powerful against reapers but against geth, tech classes shines more. It's all in the matter of the player preferences, knowing how your classes work and most importantly... having fun

[Richard0600]

Videos finally done! omg this took forever....

Modifié par Richard0600, 18 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Richard0600]

Drotter wrote...

Human sentinel is a great class especially against the reapers. In fact I prefer playing it rather than adepts but that's just me. Basically none of the classes are too OP. Each has its own strength and weaknesses. Biotics might be powerful against reapers but against geth, tech classes shines more. It's all in the matter of the player preferences, knowing how your classes work and most importantly... having fun

I haven't touched sentinel since the demo days.. When I look at human sentinel I see an inferior asari adept.. or turian sentinel = human engineer.. krogan sentinel is just.. meh... it's really just that tech armor.. Which I guess can be a pro/con depending how you look at it. With max fitness does the human sentinel have more hp then asari adept (825/825)? 

[phil2512]

Nice work there.

[Richard0600]

phil2512 wrote...

Nice work there.

Thanks, took quite a few attempts before we got it to clockwork. Wish I recorded the first attempt for comparison lol. We got lucky with the objectives... Clearing the 4 indoctrination devices on wave 10 is a lot harder then clearing it on wave 3... There is a bit of luck when it comes to these things..

[phil2512]

Lucky to get to wave 10 on gold usually end at wave 4.

[EvilGeth]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

It will get nerfed though and that picture proves why. 4 Adepts, at least 2 of them were Asari. There is no class mixing, just taking the most OP race/class into a match and dominating.
If it was 4 Drell (with video) I would of been impressed.

Incase you hadn't noticed, 4 of any class thats the same seems to win easily, 4 soldiers was easy, 4 engineers also easy, its the excess of the same ability together constantly, imagine 4 chain overloads with organic stun against a group of husks and cannibals or 4 krogan soldiers throwing 2 inferno grenades each and carnaging

When you all use the same class and tactic you are highly efficient, it worked for the prothians until the reapers came

[sedaleare]

Video

Modifié par sedaleare, 20 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[Richard0600]

sedaleare wrote...



Video pending

Ooooooo *tips hat* touche will have to try to beat that tonight haha...

[phil2512]

I wish I had the Asari adept but for now im stuck with drell adept and turian sentinel.

[Richard0600]

phil2512 wrote...

I wish I had the Asari adept but for now im stuck with drell adept and turian sentinel.

Nothing wrong with drell adept we had 2 in our squad. Great squad makeup. Drell reaves to setup Asari Warps to finish... or Pull + Throw..

[phil2512]

I know but the sound though after reave.
Anyone in your team use the reave+cluster grenade setup? that my current one going to try the reave and pull setup soon.

[Bryan Johnson]

For the 19min run that sed posted, 2 people were reave/cluster

[Richard0600]

phil2512 wrote...

I know but the sound though after reave.
Anyone in your team use the reave+cluster grenade setup? that my current one going to try the reave and pull setup soon.

Mmm.. I'm not entirely sure on that. Can only vouch for my build . If I recall correctly I might have seen grenades somewhere.. but you'll have to watch the video to be sure...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

For the 19min run that sed posted, 2 people were reave/cluster

 

Were you part of that team?

Modifié par Richard0600, 18 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[UK Wildcat]

I don't think Pull will work as well.  My 2 cents.